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September 19, 2017, 03:52:02 AM
#49
Machine Learning, Neural Networks and other AI related terms, these breakthrough are still into development, decades of research and developments putting a possibility to beat human skills and wisdom.Having an AI or Bot in Gambling is still possible by feeding million of data like events,patterns,motion analysis,DEJAVUs but it needs massive data centers and servers to perform that task, the bottomline is the excitement and the thrills , FUDs and other mix motions is gone and it could be boring when gambling are played by the machines. we could become an spectator and not a player after all.
No doubt, AI is a growing field and the funniest thing about it is the vision of Elon Musk regarding AI. We are struggling day and night for improving AI and the guy says that this world will end by the robot wars. Personally, I don't like AI replacing everything. There won't be much fun indeed.
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September 14, 2017, 01:22:11 PM
#48
Machine Learning, Neural Networks and other AI related terms, these breakthrough are still into development, decades of research and developments putting a possibility to beat human skills and wisdom.Having an AI or Bot in Gambling is still possible by feeding million of data like events,patterns,motion analysis,DEJAVUs but it needs massive data centers and servers to perform that task, the bottomline is the excitement and the thrills , FUDs and other mix motions is gone and it could be boring when gambling are played by the machines. we could become an spectator and not a player after all.

Well there would come a time that those scifi movies will come true. Imagine a world like terminator, I-robot, and the matrix. Those are possible once we develop a super smart learning computer. Gambling would be the least of its problem when it happens for sure. Gambling would just be a simple task for a sophisticated AI. Though I am not sure if we would see it in our lifetime. It will likely take a whole lot of time.
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September 14, 2017, 11:40:41 AM
#47
Machine Learning, Neural Networks and other AI related terms, these breakthrough are still into development, decades of research and developments putting a possibility to beat human skills and wisdom.Having an AI or Bot in Gambling is still possible by feeding million of data like events,patterns,motion analysis,DEJAVUs but it needs massive data centers and servers to perform that task, the bottomline is the excitement and the thrills , FUDs and other mix motions is gone and it could be boring when gambling are played by the machines. we could become an spectator and not a player after all.
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September 14, 2017, 02:50:23 AM
#46
Check out this new project about AI on the blockchain: Distributed Decentralized Artificial Intelligence Framework for DApps
https://medium.com/@chainintel/distributed-decentralized-artificial-intelligence-framework-for-dapps-75fefdc554c5

The team is from MIT and Harvard with great experience in ML and AI.

Smells some ICO here eh? You just saw the topic regarding about AI and you quickly introduced it here on gambling section. But that project looks interesting if the devs are legit with that credentials. I will try to do some research on it and invest if I found something interesting on that project, But always remember that be on right section for ICO promotion. Wink

Don't look forward to it.  If it's an ICO, it's 99% a scam.  The real AI research labs for artificial intelligence is backed by big monied companies.  Whatever they discover and create would really prove valuable.

If an ICO makes a breakthrough in AI I would laugh my ass off because I may have woken up in the Bizzaro world.  Cheesy

This is Bitcointalk and I think that's pretty much the same thing as Bizzaro world. I share your scepticism here but there is a very remote possibility that they have tried to get interest from mainstream tech industry or funding via conventional venture capital means and failed. A poker playing bot might be a bit of a hard sell considering the likelihood it may not be successful.
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September 14, 2017, 02:25:51 AM
#45
Check out this new project about AI on the blockchain: Distributed Decentralized Artificial Intelligence Framework for DApps
https://medium.com/@chainintel/distributed-decentralized-artificial-intelligence-framework-for-dapps-75fefdc554c5

The team is from MIT and Harvard with great experience in ML and AI.

Smells some ICO here eh? You just saw the topic regarding about AI and you quickly introduced it here on gambling section. But that project looks interesting if the devs are legit with that credentials. I will try to do some research on it and invest if I found something interesting on that project, But always remember that be on right section for ICO promotion. Wink

Don't look forward to it.  If it's an ICO, it's 99% a scam.  The real AI research labs for artificial intelligence is backed by big monied companies.  Whatever they discover and create would really prove valuable.

If an ICO makes a breakthrough in AI I would laugh my ass off because I may have woken up in the Bizzaro world.  Cheesy
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September 14, 2017, 01:37:41 AM
#44
I think they won't open AI gambling Bot, because AI Bot is still under control of some coders or programers . So it seems like the result of this contest still can be cheated. It needs more information and make sure everything is clear to open gambling.
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September 13, 2017, 10:45:19 PM
#43
Check out this new project about AI on the blockchain: Distributed Decentralized Artificial Intelligence Framework for DApps
https://medium.com/@chainintel/distributed-decentralized-artificial-intelligence-framework-for-dapps-75fefdc554c5

The team is from MIT and Harvard with great experience in ML and AI.

Smells some ICO here eh? You just saw the topic regarding about AI and you quickly introduced it here on gambling section. But that project looks interesting if the devs are legit with that credentials. I will try to do some research on it and invest if I found something interesting on that project, But always remember that be on right section for ICO promotion. Wink
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September 13, 2017, 02:33:04 PM
#42
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Didn't you understand the example says about two AIs with the same lvl? It's not a real situation, it's a supposition. Two identical robots playing one against other. Only luck can decide it, depending the sequence of movements each one will make in game.

well its a hypothetical scenario which is unlikely to happen, but i agree if the same AI bot battles off its counterpart, The Luck factor will come in but as i said that is extremely unlikely to happen, You won't be renting your AI bot to your Opponent would you? Even the companies who will sell these bots in the future, will train them differently and then the rest will be on the owner, how he gambles with it and so on.

Luck has nothing to do again here. It will likely play the same game over and over again since two identical robots will never be able to generate anything random. They have a fixed pattern and if they play again and again, the results would be the same. Assuming this is a game like chess. But if there would be a factor like shuffling cards and then that would be different. It will now depend on the draw, but luck is again nothing, it's just the statistics of things.
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September 12, 2017, 04:05:17 PM
#41
Check out this new project about AI on the blockchain: Distributed Decentralized Artificial Intelligence Framework for DApps
https://medium.com/@chainintel/distributed-decentralized-artificial-intelligence-framework-for-dapps-75fefdc554c5

The team is from MIT and Harvard with great experience in ML and AI.
legendary
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August 13, 2017, 04:46:52 AM
#40
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Didn't you understand the example says about two AIs with the same lvl? It's not a real situation, it's a supposition. Two identical robots playing one against other. Only luck can decide it, depending the sequence of movements each one will make in game.

well its a hypothetical scenario which is unlikely to happen, but i agree if the same AI bot battles off its counterpart, The Luck factor will come in but as i said that is extremely unlikely to happen, You won't be renting your AI bot to your Opponent would you? Even the companies who will sell these bots in the future, will train them differently and then the rest will be on the owner, how he gambles with it and so on.
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August 12, 2017, 09:10:48 PM
#39
Look at google go ai, there are millions upon millions of moves, the portability of each move is very low and yet it has managed to beat the best of us. I don't think we need a quantum leap for just poker and stock predictions. There are bots which are already predicting the stock prices.

Checkers/chess/go programs brute force calculate every possible move. A question can be raised whether that represents true artificial intelligence. A go program calculates every move then uses an algorithm to estimate which move is the best, not unlike a coin sorter which evaluates each coin size to sort pennies from nickels and dimes.

Over the past 50 years, there hasn't been much evolution in terms of artificial intelligence software. All gains have come from hardware advancing via moore's law to a point where programs can calculate every possible move in checkers/chess/go within a reasonably short time.

There's no doubt computer programs (which probably shouldn't be called artificial intelligence) are very good at evaluating massive numbers of against some preset criteria. It shouldn't be confused with true artificial intelligence though.
We, human have created computers and as far as artificial intelligence bots being used to play games are concerned, there is no doubt that they can calculate all possible moves and select the best option in very short time. But I believe in the strength of human brains which is center of genuine intelligence and where is the fun if bots will be used to play for us ?

Well i have to agree we have created these AI bots, but we don't have the amount of computing power at our hand every single second as compared to a pc. Yes there won't be fun anymore, but a bot making millions for me sounds more fun than me playing and losing my bankroll.
Yeah! who wouldn't want a bot that makes millions, i would love to have one too lol. but what would happen if ai bot competes with another ai bot(both well/equally trained)? who'll win? winning eventually will come down to luck, right?


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Yes, if the two bots playing have the same skills and AI only luck can decide the game result.
They don't have emotions, so none of them will become nervous during the game, what could affect the result.


Wrong, There is no luck with AI, it comes down to how well the AI is trained, AI takes different paths and learns the most effective paths, So when 2 AI will battle off each other, It will come down to which AI has been trained more, Which has more experience, Which has been in more different situations, To simple user it may sound like luck, but it isn't, its machine learning, The Machine which will take the best path for each turn and will win in the end.


Didn't you understand the example says about two AIs with the same lvl? It's not a real situation, it's a supposition. Two identical robots playing one against other. Only luck can decide it, depending the sequence of movements each one will make in game.
legendary
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August 12, 2017, 02:08:16 PM
#38
Another big news coming in from the dota 2 internationals, OpenAi has officially beaten the top players in the world, in 1v1 matches, it has beaten sumail many other dota 2 players.

The Ai bot was given zero input from the team, it learned from playing against another copy of itself and currently only works in 1v1, you can read more details about it
here:   https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/11/16137388/dota-2-dendi-open-ai-elon-musk

The next big thing is here! AI is the future period!
legendary
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August 12, 2017, 12:57:06 PM
#37
Look at google go ai, there are millions upon millions of moves, the portability of each move is very low and yet it has managed to beat the best of us. I don't think we need a quantum leap for just poker and stock predictions. There are bots which are already predicting the stock prices.

Checkers/chess/go programs brute force calculate every possible move. A question can be raised whether that represents true artificial intelligence. A go program calculates every move then uses an algorithm to estimate which move is the best, not unlike a coin sorter which evaluates each coin size to sort pennies from nickels and dimes.

Over the past 50 years, there hasn't been much evolution in terms of artificial intelligence software. All gains have come from hardware advancing via moore's law to a point where programs can calculate every possible move in checkers/chess/go within a reasonably short time.

There's no doubt computer programs (which probably shouldn't be called artificial intelligence) are very good at evaluating massive numbers of against some preset criteria. It shouldn't be confused with true artificial intelligence though.
We, human have created computers and as far as artificial intelligence bots being used to play games are concerned, there is no doubt that they can calculate all possible moves and select the best option in very short time. But I believe in the strength of human brains which is center of genuine intelligence and where is the fun if bots will be used to play for us ?

Well i have to agree we have created these AI bots, but we don't have the amount of computing power at our hand every single second as compared to a pc. Yes there won't be fun anymore, but a bot making millions for me sounds more fun than me playing and losing my bankroll.
Yeah! who wouldn't want a bot that makes millions, i would love to have one too lol. but what would happen if ai bot competes with another ai bot(both well/equally trained)? who'll win? winning eventually will come down to luck, right?


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Yes, if the two bots playing have the same skills and AI only luck can decide the game result.
They don't have emotions, so none of them will become nervous during the game, what could affect the result.


Wrong, There is no luck with AI, it comes down to how well the AI is trained, AI takes different paths and learns the most effective paths, So when 2 AI will battle off each other, It will come down to which AI has been trained more, Which has more experience, Which has been in more different situations, To simple user it may sound like luck, but it isn't, its machine learning, The Machine which will take the best path for each turn and will win in the end.
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August 12, 2017, 12:01:58 PM
#36
Look at google go ai, there are millions upon millions of moves, the portability of each move is very low and yet it has managed to beat the best of us. I don't think we need a quantum leap for just poker and stock predictions. There are bots which are already predicting the stock prices.

Checkers/chess/go programs brute force calculate every possible move. A question can be raised whether that represents true artificial intelligence. A go program calculates every move then uses an algorithm to estimate which move is the best, not unlike a coin sorter which evaluates each coin size to sort pennies from nickels and dimes.

Over the past 50 years, there hasn't been much evolution in terms of artificial intelligence software. All gains have come from hardware advancing via moore's law to a point where programs can calculate every possible move in checkers/chess/go within a reasonably short time.

There's no doubt computer programs (which probably shouldn't be called artificial intelligence) are very good at evaluating massive numbers of against some preset criteria. It shouldn't be confused with true artificial intelligence though.
We, human have created computers and as far as artificial intelligence bots being used to play games are concerned, there is no doubt that they can calculate all possible moves and select the best option in very short time. But I believe in the strength of human brains which is center of genuine intelligence and where is the fun if bots will be used to play for us ?

Well i have to agree we have created these AI bots, but we don't have the amount of computing power at our hand every single second as compared to a pc. Yes there won't be fun anymore, but a bot making millions for me sounds more fun than me playing and losing my bankroll.
Yeah! who wouldn't want a bot that makes millions, i would love to have one too lol. but what would happen if ai bot competes with another ai bot(both well/equally trained)? who'll win? winning eventually will come down to luck, right?

Yes, if the two bots playing have the same skills and AI only luck can decide the game result.
They don't have emotions, so none of them will become nervous during the game, what could affect the result.
legendary
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August 12, 2017, 11:26:38 AM
#35
Look at google go ai, there are millions upon millions of moves, the portability of each move is very low and yet it has managed to beat the best of us. I don't think we need a quantum leap for just poker and stock predictions. There are bots which are already predicting the stock prices.

Checkers/chess/go programs brute force calculate every possible move. A question can be raised whether that represents true artificial intelligence. A go program calculates every move then uses an algorithm to estimate which move is the best, not unlike a coin sorter which evaluates each coin size to sort pennies from nickels and dimes.

Over the past 50 years, there hasn't been much evolution in terms of artificial intelligence software. All gains have come from hardware advancing via moore's law to a point where programs can calculate every possible move in checkers/chess/go within a reasonably short time.

There's no doubt computer programs (which probably shouldn't be called artificial intelligence) are very good at evaluating massive numbers of against some preset criteria. It shouldn't be confused with true artificial intelligence though.
We, human have created computers and as far as artificial intelligence bots being used to play games are concerned, there is no doubt that they can calculate all possible moves and select the best option in very short time. But I believe in the strength of human brains which is center of genuine intelligence and where is the fun if bots will be used to play for us ?

Well i have to agree we have created these AI bots, but we don't have the amount of computing power at our hand every single second as compared to a pc. Yes there won't be fun anymore, but a bot making millions for me sounds more fun than me playing and losing my bankroll.
Yeah! who wouldn't want a bot that makes millions, i would love to have one too lol. but what would happen if ai bot competes with another ai bot(both well/equally trained)? who'll win? winning eventually will come down to luck, right?
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August 12, 2017, 04:07:48 AM
#34
Talking about dice or other games, no any skill or strategy will work so I don't think using AI for this will make any difference. On the other hand yes card games like poker requires some skill and strategy but majority of time luck plays an important role, so even if AI will play poker or other card games than impact might be way lower than what we might speculate.
There is nothing like magic in this world. everything depends upon how far we can observe predict and analyze. In dice or other such games, its not like that the players play around without giving a thought.

Before making even little decisions like , people think whether they realize it or not. Our brain keeps on thinking and making decisions without us realizing most of them. Nothing is purely luck based. May be I am wrong but I believe AI in this field will also get the winner's tag.
Well its your own point of view and theres nothing wrong with that we cant be sure if AI would really have the chance on making patters on completely random games like dice.I cant think of that you can possible outmatch the house even that open ai gambling bot because hashes are random computing would really be somehow senseless.
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August 12, 2017, 03:06:44 AM
#33
Talking about dice or other games, no any skill or strategy will work so I don't think using AI for this will make any difference. On the other hand yes card games like poker requires some skill and strategy but majority of time luck plays an important role, so even if AI will play poker or other card games than impact might be way lower than what we might speculate.
There is nothing like magic in this world. everything depends upon how far we can observe predict and analyze. In dice or other such games, its not like that the players play around without giving a thought.

Before making even little decisions like , people think whether they realize it or not. Our brain keeps on thinking and making decisions without us realizing most of them. Nothing is purely luck based. May be I am wrong but I believe AI in this field will also get the winner's tag.
legendary
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August 11, 2017, 05:48:15 PM
#32
If you take some simple game like Dice, there' very little attack surface, even for AI. But there's one common thing for any online gambling site - random number generator. Successful attack on casino's random number generator can allow attacker to get edge for his bets, or even predict outcomes with 100% certainty if RNG got completely broken. It's possible to do it even now, but maybe new AI methods can do it even more efficiently, so casino operators should be cautious of this threat.
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August 11, 2017, 01:43:25 PM
#31
Look at google go ai, there are millions upon millions of moves, the portability of each move is very low and yet it has managed to beat the best of us. I don't think we need a quantum leap for just poker and stock predictions. There are bots which are already predicting the stock prices.

Checkers/chess/go programs brute force calculate every possible move. A question can be raised whether that represents true artificial intelligence. A go program calculates every move then uses an algorithm to estimate which move is the best, not unlike a coin sorter which evaluates each coin size to sort pennies from nickels and dimes.

Over the past 50 years, there hasn't been much evolution in terms of artificial intelligence software. All gains have come from hardware advancing via moore's law to a point where programs can calculate every possible move in checkers/chess/go within a reasonably short time.

There's no doubt computer programs (which probably shouldn't be called artificial intelligence) are very good at evaluating massive numbers of against some preset criteria. It shouldn't be confused with true artificial intelligence though.
We, human have created computers and as far as artificial intelligence bots being used to play games are concerned, there is no doubt that they can calculate all possible moves and select the best option in very short time. But I believe in the strength of human brains which is center of genuine intelligence and where is the fun if bots will be used to play for us ?

Well i have to agree we have created these AI bots, but we don't have the amount of computing power at our hand every single second as compared to a pc. Yes there won't be fun anymore, but a bot making millions for me sounds more fun than me playing and losing my bankroll.
legendary
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August 11, 2017, 01:35:33 PM
#30
Look at google go ai, there are millions upon millions of moves, the portability of each move is very low and yet it has managed to beat the best of us. I don't think we need a quantum leap for just poker and stock predictions. There are bots which are already predicting the stock prices.

Checkers/chess/go programs brute force calculate every possible move. A question can be raised whether that represents true artificial intelligence. A go program calculates every move then uses an algorithm to estimate which move is the best, not unlike a coin sorter which evaluates each coin size to sort pennies from nickels and dimes.

Over the past 50 years, there hasn't been much evolution in terms of artificial intelligence software. All gains have come from hardware advancing via moore's law to a point where programs can calculate every possible move in checkers/chess/go within a reasonably short time.

There's no doubt computer programs (which probably shouldn't be called artificial intelligence) are very good at evaluating massive numbers of against some preset criteria. It shouldn't be confused with true artificial intelligence though.
We, human have created computers and as far as artificial intelligence bots being used to play games are concerned, there is no doubt that they can calculate all possible moves and select the best option in very short time.

But I believe in the strength of human brains which is center of genuine intelligence and where is the fun if bots will be used to play for us ?
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