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August 11, 2017, 11:14:31 AM
#29
Just read this article.
https://www.wired.com/2017/01/mystery-ai-just-crushed-best-human-players-poker/

There's already ai bot that can beat anyone in poker!

Thank you for sharing this, didn't know about this article, it is an interesting read and the results are amazing! 1.7 million dollars in winning that's huge, plus the way AI reacted to their moves was totally impressive! The future of gambling is now in ai's hands for sure! Don't know about how casinos will react to this, i think they may just ban the AI players which i think will be a loss for technology but if they don't, we will lose another beautiful game.
very impressive and i dont have any idea that this really exist thinking that those are just fake one who just wanted to attract investors
but with this article it shows that ai is for real and how the house will change pace about this, will see how they will handle ai bot.
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August 11, 2017, 06:30:02 AM
#28
So Recently Elon Musk announced the Open AI as we know, If you don't know about "Open AI" just google it, It is basically a bot which learns from visual input and becomes a master at doing whatever it is trained on(Given enought time), It can master any Atari game and can even predict stock prices by given it the proper data, so i was wondering what if somebody trains it on Poker or Dice game? It will be the perfect player, far better than the human and could probably make websites go bankrupt, as there is no defeating to an AI. From what i am seeing the future will be AI's Playing against each other. The person who will have a better AI player will win the most bets, Let me know what do you think about it.


Also If anybody in their spare time can train it on Poker or a simple Head Tail game, Do share your results it will be interesting to see.

It seems you are still a newbie at gambling to even think like this. Gambling can never be learned by an AI, even if it does it cannot counteract the effects of randomness. Can an AI predict the future? If it can then it would win the dice games. If there was a fixed strategy in gambling, then there would have been super rich people from just gambling and all the casinos will go down.

I disagree with that. Indeed gambling is a random event, for example dice is random if it is truly dice. The problem is a computer can never ever pick a random number. It doesn't have that ability since it has no consciousness. So what it does is "simulate randomness." It uses plenty of variables and with the slightest amount of change the outcomes would be so different from one another.

That said, if this Open AI would learn how the computer generates random numbers, then it can predict the outcomes of the game.

Exactly! Thank you for sharing this, This is what i was trying to explain earlier, The Computer randomness is "Fake" it isn't true randomness, which can be exploited by a well trained AI.



I think ai can be trained to play only skill based games, would be interesting to see how they play against us(humans)and against other ai. in luck games, it's ai vs true randomness, who do you think will win?

The AI will beat anyone on any game if it is that smart. Remember that the chess computer back when computers are still in its infancy defeated a lot of chess masters. Likely the bot will be able to beat humans in poker. Also remember, the computer can make a damn good poker face. Then it can also read our facial reactions even on poker face.

Along with being well trained at poker, imagine being well trained on facial expression too, That would be the dream Bot for sure!



As for many people, You have missed out my update! Quoting it again here!

Update: Well its about time, Saw this page being advertised on Facebook, These people are funding people to code the Best AI for poker. They have already given out a 3d printer to one of the winners. Well the things are about to get interesting. Future of gambling is in AI's hand. Would love to hear Your thoughts on this.

Facebook Page Link: https://www.facebook.com/AIGamingCom/
website link: http://beta.aigaming.com

I think even half of the people that gambles, tried gambling, or think about gambling know that the randomness of the rolls in online gambling are all "not really random." Like what I said, I it is just simulated random since computers can't really think let alone think of a random number.

About your update, I think it would happen. I think AIs will rule the world and the movies "The Matrix", "The Terminator" and "iRobot" will come true. Just a matter of time. So getting news about a gambling robot, is nothing surprising. And to be honest, there are already poker bots out there. Have you played an offline poker game on your phone? Don't thus games have AIs already? They might be stupid poker players right now, but wait a few years.

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August 10, 2017, 04:07:32 PM
#27
Just read this article.
https://www.wired.com/2017/01/mystery-ai-just-crushed-best-human-players-poker/

There's already ai bot that can beat anyone in poker!

Thank you for sharing this, didn't know about this article, it is an interesting read and the results are amazing! 1.7 million dollars in winning that's huge, plus the way AI reacted to their moves was totally impressive! The future of gambling is now in ai's hands for sure! Don't know about how casinos will react to this, i think they may just ban the AI players which i think will be a loss for technology but if they don't, we will lose another beautiful game.
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August 10, 2017, 03:26:29 PM
#26
Just read this article.
https://www.wired.com/2017/01/mystery-ai-just-crushed-best-human-players-poker/

There's already ai bot that can beat anyone in poker!
legendary
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August 10, 2017, 12:57:46 PM
#25
So Recently Elon Musk announced the Open AI as we know, If you don't know about "Open AI" just google it, It is basically a bot which learns from visual input and becomes a master at doing whatever it is trained on(Given enought time), It can master any Atari game and can even predict stock prices by given it the proper data, so i was wondering what if somebody trains it on Poker or Dice game? It will be the perfect player, far better than the human and could probably make websites go bankrupt, as there is no defeating to an AI. From what i am seeing the future will be AI's Playing against each other. The person who will have a better AI player will win the most bets, Let me know what do you think about it.


Also If anybody in their spare time can train it on Poker or a simple Head Tail game, Do share your results it will be interesting to see.

It seems you are still a newbie at gambling to even think like this. Gambling can never be learned by an AI, even if it does it cannot counteract the effects of randomness. Can an AI predict the future? If it can then it would win the dice games. If there was a fixed strategy in gambling, then there would have been super rich people from just gambling and all the casinos will go down.

I disagree with that. Indeed gambling is a random event, for example dice is random if it is truly dice. The problem is a computer can never ever pick a random number. It doesn't have that ability since it has no consciousness. So what it does is "simulate randomness." It uses plenty of variables and with the slightest amount of change the outcomes would be so different from one another.

That said, if this Open AI would learn how the computer generates random numbers, then it can predict the outcomes of the game.

Exactly! Thank you for sharing this, This is what i was trying to explain earlier, The Computer randomness is "Fake" it isn't true randomness, which can be exploited by a well trained AI.



I think ai can be trained to play only skill based games, would be interesting to see how they play against us(humans)and against other ai. in luck games, it's ai vs true randomness, who do you think will win?

The AI will beat anyone on any game if it is that smart. Remember that the chess computer back when computers are still in its infancy defeated a lot of chess masters. Likely the bot will be able to beat humans in poker. Also remember, the computer can make a damn good poker face. Then it can also read our facial reactions even on poker face.

Along with being well trained at poker, imagine being well trained on facial expression too, That would be the dream Bot for sure!



As for many people, You have missed out my update! Quoting it again here!

Update: Well its about time, Saw this page being advertised on Facebook, These people are funding people to code the Best AI for poker. They have already given out a 3d printer to one of the winners. Well the things are about to get interesting. Future of gambling is in AI's hand. Would love to hear Your thoughts on this.

Facebook Page Link: https://www.facebook.com/AIGamingCom/
website link: http://beta.aigaming.com
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August 10, 2017, 12:42:05 PM
#24
I think ai can be trained to play only skill based games, would be interesting to see how they play against us(humans)and against other ai. in luck games, it's ai vs true randomness, who do you think will win?

The AI will beat anyone on any game if it is that smart. Remember that the chess computer back when computers are still in its infancy defeated a lot of chess masters. Likely the bot will be able to beat humans in poker. Also remember, the computer can make a damn good poker face. Then it can also read our facial reactions even on poker face.
legendary
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August 10, 2017, 11:40:58 AM
#23
I think ai can be trained to play only skill based games, would be interesting to see how they play against us(humans)and against other ai. in luck games, it's ai vs true randomness, who do you think will win?
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August 10, 2017, 11:34:55 AM
#22
That AI bot will work someday but it's not the time. Bot will only work when it see any pattern and in probably there is no pattern even once in 1m rolls can come in first 10k. So it can win upto a point but can't win always.
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August 10, 2017, 11:28:11 AM
#21
So Recently Elon Musk announced the Open AI as we know, If you don't know about "Open AI" just google it, It is basically a bot which learns from visual input and becomes a master at doing whatever it is trained on(Given enought time), It can master any Atari game and can even predict stock prices by given it the proper data, so i was wondering what if somebody trains it on Poker or Dice game? It will be the perfect player, far better than the human and could probably make websites go bankrupt, as there is no defeating to an AI. From what i am seeing the future will be AI's Playing against each other. The person who will have a better AI player will win the most bets, Let me know what do you think about it.


Also If anybody in their spare time can train it on Poker or a simple Head Tail game, Do share your results it will be interesting to see.

It seems you are still a newbie at gambling to even think like this. Gambling can never be learned by an AI, even if it does it cannot counteract the effects of randomness. Can an AI predict the future? If it can then it would win the dice games. If there was a fixed strategy in gambling, then there would have been super rich people from just gambling and all the casinos will go down.

I disagree with that. Indeed gambling is a random event, for example dice is random if it is truly dice. The problem is a computer can never ever pick a random number. It doesn't have that ability since it has no consciousness. So what it does is "simulate randomness." It uses plenty of variables and with the slightest amount of change the outcomes would be so different from one another.

That said, if this Open AI would learn how the computer generates random numbers, then it can predict the outcomes of the game.
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August 10, 2017, 11:20:38 AM
#20
So Recently Elon Musk announced the Open AI as we know, If you don't know about "Open AI" just google it, It is basically a bot which learns from visual input and becomes a master at doing whatever it is trained on(Given enought time), It can master any Atari game and can even predict stock prices by given it the proper data, so i was wondering what if somebody trains it on Poker or Dice game? It will be the perfect player, far better than the human and could probably make websites go bankrupt, as there is no defeating to an AI. From what i am seeing the future will be AI's Playing against each other. The person who will have a better AI player will win the most bets, Let me know what do you think about it.


Also If anybody in their spare time can train it on Poker or a simple Head Tail game, Do share your results it will be interesting to see.

It seems you are still a newbie at gambling to even think like this. Gambling can never be learned by an AI, even if it does it cannot counteract the effects of randomness. Can an AI predict the future? If it can then it would win the dice games. If there was a fixed strategy in gambling, then there would have been super rich people from just gambling and all the casinos will go down.
legendary
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August 10, 2017, 11:00:12 AM
#19
Talking about dice or other games, no any skill or strategy will work so I don't think using AI for this will make any difference. On the other hand yes card games like poker requires some skill and strategy but majority of time luck plays an important role, so even if AI will play poker or other card games than impact might be way lower than what we might speculate.
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August 10, 2017, 08:09:54 AM
#18
So Recently Elon Musk announced the Open AI as we know, If you don't know about "Open AI" just google it, It is basically a bot which learns from visual input and becomes a master at doing whatever it is trained on(Given enought time), It can master any Atari game and can even predict stock prices by given it the proper data, so i was wondering what if somebody trains it on Poker or Dice game? It will be the perfect player, far better than the human and could probably make websites go bankrupt, as there is no defeating to an AI. From what i am seeing the future will be AI's Playing against each other. The person who will have a better AI player will win the most bets, Let me know what do you think about it.


Also If anybody in their spare time can train it on Poker or a simple Head Tail game, Do share your results it will be interesting to see.
I cant think off such thing that it would be possible to be trained of knowing gambling that it has really a random outputs which no robot or AI can able to compute it for sure. Probabilities might be possible to be seen but chances or luck wont really be practiced. There are skills or instincts which do human have which AI dont have. Theres still difference and that perfect player doesnt really exist at all.
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August 10, 2017, 05:12:20 AM
#17
Look at google go ai, there are millions upon millions of moves, the portability of each move is very low and yet it has managed to beat the best of us. I don't think we need a quantum leap for just poker and stock predictions. There are bots which are already predicting the stock prices.

Checkers/chess/go programs brute force calculate every possible move. A question can be raised whether that represents true artificial intelligence. A go program calculates every move then uses an algorithm to estimate which move is the best, not unlike a coin sorter which evaluates each coin size to sort pennies from nickels and dimes.

Over the past 50 years, there hasn't been much evolution in terms of artificial intelligence software. All gains have come from hardware advancing via moore's law to a point where programs can calculate every possible move in checkers/chess/go within a reasonably short time.

There's no doubt computer programs (which probably shouldn't be called artificial intelligence) are very good at evaluating massive numbers of against some preset criteria. It shouldn't be confused with true artificial intelligence though.
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August 09, 2017, 02:51:17 AM
#16
Update: Well its about time, Saw this page being advertised on Facebook, These people are funding people to code the Best AI for poker. They have already given out a 3d printer to one of the winners. Well the things are about to get interesting. Future of gambling is in AI's hand. Would love to hear Your thoughts on this.

Facebook Page Link: https://www.facebook.com/AIGamingCom/
website link: http://beta.aigaming.com
legendary
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June 12, 2017, 03:31:27 AM
#15
same is the case with stock trading, The information is incomplete, But the guesses are quite right. Plus we humans tend to leave out patterns and we can't process thousands of games to find a pattern, That's where the bot is good at, Also The Open AI showed many exploits in the atari games which humans did not think of. So saying it won't work before even trying doesn't proves anything.

It works in trading because trading is human activity, and people have patterns which can be used by technical analysis. The bot can buy if the price have fallen to quickly or sell if it jumped to quickly. But in gambling there's no human operators, only random number generators, the only thing a bot can do is to try to find some imperfection in it, but if there is no such or if it's smaller than the house edge, then the bot is going to be useless. Gambling is a very simple thing, and simple things can't be cracked.
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June 12, 2017, 03:06:29 AM
#14
I would like to see an online poker tournament for bot makers.  And FYI some of them don't do it mostly to cheat or make money.  They're mostly in it for the pursuit of science.

The tournament part sounds interesting, but i don't think someone working on an AI for poker won't use it to make profits, human's don't work that way mate.. Things are about to get interesting. The rise of AI may eventually lead to the end of many online gambling games.

You'll be surprised.  The people you mostly see who use bots are the script kiddies.  They can't code and all they care about is learn how to use the bot and they can't even come up with their own programming for their bots.  The people who actually provide the source code for these bots are there for the science.  They want to push AI forward and what better way to test their bot than make it play poker.
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June 12, 2017, 02:17:52 AM
#13
I would like to see an online poker tournament for bot makers.  And FYI some of them don't do it mostly to cheat or make money.  They're mostly in it for the pursuit of science.

The tournament part sounds interesting, but i don't think someone working on an AI for poker won't use it to make profits, human's don't work that way mate.. Things are about to get interesting. The rise of AI may eventually lead to the end of many online gambling games.
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June 12, 2017, 01:59:49 AM
#12
I would like to see an online poker tournament for bot makers.  And FYI some of them don't do it mostly to cheat or make money.  They're mostly in it for the pursuit of science.
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June 12, 2017, 01:46:02 AM
#11
AI as it exists in this day and age, works best in deterministic areas where all data affecting the outcome of an event can be quantified, measured and defined to some degree.

An AI neural net trained to be good at an atari game where all in-game variables can be measured is very different from skill at trading stocks or poker.

In a video game, all variables can be measured & quantified. Simple atari games essentially execute in a digital sandbox.

With poker and stock markets there are many factors and variables which are immeasurable & unquantifiable.

Attempting to predict poker or stock markets is partially non-deterministic similar to predicting the outcome of the superbowl or a sports event.

AI and computers can measure deterministic variables like wind speed, temperature, points scored, accuracy %.

But when people are involved and there are variables like attempting to measure the size of someone's heart, the human spirit, determination, will, the potential for people to make good or bad decisions, imagination. It can be extremely difficult for an AI to measure those things which would contribute to it lacking accuracy.

For an AI to be good at poker or stock markets would require a quantum leap in AI technology.



Look at google go ai, there are millions upon millions of moves, the portability of each move is very low and yet it has managed to beat the best of us. I don't think we need a quantum leap for just poker and stock predictions. There are bots which are already predicting the stock prices.
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June 12, 2017, 01:41:00 AM
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This is definitely advancement in technology but the issue here is that for bots to work on any site, the site must allow it and in this case when AI is winning all the time due to its immense abilities, then I see them installing anti AI systems which might make it less effective and by so  doing, users will discontinue its services. Aside that, to deploy AI at this time would be very expensive for an individual to be able to afford.

As i developer i know it will take me around a day or two to go through the documentation of it. But from what i have seen from the videos. It is already ready to use. You just need to know python and reward the AI accordingly. I think it shouldn't take more than a week to modify a bit. To train it on lets say 100k games, would take around a month or so i think, but as for websites detecting if it's a bot or a human player, that's almost impossible. There are many frameworks like selenium which make it look like its a Normal user, it will be quiet hard to keep them out, even if they implement a captcha system.. The bot can even learn how to solve a captcha in no time.


The future of gambling is interesting with all these AIs coming out. I will see what i can do for this.
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