Topic: Open Source Avalon Gen2 55nm Board - page 9. (Read 35937 times)

Why hasn't the btcointalk.org forum given the whole Avalon team scammer tags by now?

Edit:  Just realized you can buy Avalon chips not through Avalon but through a distributor through USD:


wtf?  Probably cheaper than buying through USD on the Avalon site ... wow.  Or would the price have jumped a few hundred dollars with the recent BTC spike?

WTF would anyone, in their sane and right mind, buy off the Avalon website or from Tradehill?  Didn't tradehill have some kind of exclusivity with Avalon?  I thought it was advertised on their (Tradehill's) website but anything regarding 'exclusivity' isn't there anymore.

oh no, dear ng, I caught you lying again. The delays are not unexpected, it is absolutely planned. 5 ~6 months back, you are so arrogant, thinking that you have "control" on the network hashing rate. You thought if you ship in September the chip buyer will still earn their investment back. You have even told your dear friends, that "I will not let the first wave buyer cannot ROI." You missed the point whether you will deliver it on time, you just think the hash rate won't increase madly, so that your delaying is not a big problem. During that periods, the total net work hashing rate experienced inexplainable increase, while there are only ASICMINER, BFL and You have the asic, and the other two is far more transparent than your mysterious operation. It is highly likely that you mined with your clients' machine.

The delay is not unpredictable, it is intentional. You think the buyer will accept. You are the lowest rogue I have ever seen, without no consciousness in mind at all.




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279,30€ for 24 GH/s?  At the current 300€ per bitcoin exchange rate, that's 0.93 bitcoin per 24 GH/s or 5.58 BTC for 6 HEX16A2 (96 chips) hashing at 144 GH/s.  Avalon's Gen2 96-chip Mini prototype priced at 6 BTC is not far off since it includes extras like the WiFi controller, case, fans and PSU.  Your board sells for double of what KnC charges for their 28nm "Gen3" 140GH expansion module.  Neither your HEX16A2 board nor KnC includes the cost of controller and PSU.   That just proves my point that it is impossible for Avalon to stay competitive with their Gen2 chips that cost 2.3 BTC for chips (96) alone to match the performance of just one KnC ASIC chip.  The gap is only going to get wider when HashFast ship their 400GH chip next month.  You will need half a reel of Avalon Gen2 chips (266) or 16.6 boards to match the performance of a single HashFast Golden Nonce ASIC chip.

The first batch of our HEX16a2 is sold out.
You can still get some of the End of November shipment order

Besides that, Avalon's Gen2 chips' value is depreciating rapidly along with the increasing difficulty.  Difficulty will double by the end of this month after KnC finished shipping their Nov Batch and probably again in one month when Hashfast released their Gen1/Gen2/Gen3 in rapid succession (Ciara capable of 1000 units a day).  I sure hope Avalon has Gen4 ready early next year, because at this stage, even if they come out with Gen3 (28nm), it won't be enough to compete with KnC.  The only way they can get back in the game is beat KnC and others to Gen4 and have a complete product ready-to-ship before anybody else.  With their history, it is a bit much to ask people to trust them and rely on mom-and-pop manufacturers to create a final product.

Since low to 12BTC the price of BTC is double ... should lower it to 6 just to keep the same value.

My bad. I didn't see the recent price decrease for a reel (was selling for 30 BTC).

I think marto74 will soon be able to answer this question.

Fairly?  So it should work "most" of the time?



Very high price?  High profit?  Even reusing existing parts (case, power, etc.) from Gen1 Mini, a 96-chip (2.3BTC in chips alone) 140 GH unit cost 6 BTC?  KnC just sold 140Gh ASIC expansion module (with PCB and $100 worth of VRM) for 2.8 BTC..  the November batch of KnC Juipter was selling for under 13 BTC (13 BTC if you add the cost of PSU) just before they were sold out.  It is guarantee to run at 550 GH or better or 3.3 BTC per 140 GH.  They have better power efficiency and higher density.  And that's not even close to as good as it gets, 3.3 BTC for 140GH is today's price, but BTC/GH is dropping quickly as difficulty rises with HashFast coming out next month and CoinTerra next year.  How can Avalon Gen2 compete?



Unpredictable?  So it is not your fault then?  Let's face it, because you screwed all Gen1 chips buyers over, nobody is ever going to buy pre-order from you guys anymore.  Therefore you really don't have a choice but to pay for these useless chips out of your stolen money and hope newer sucker will buy from you.  Why else would you be here to drum up more business if the chips are selling so well?  You can spin it however you want, but the truth is you are on the hook for all these chips that you have to prepaid for because you screwed people over on Gen1 and not because you want to provide better customer service.



You forgot to mention your no Bullshit, no refund policy.  Ironically you are so full of Bullshit.  So how much will it cost and how long it will take to build a complete working machine based on your chips?  I say save your money and distribute your remaining Gen2 chips inventory to all Gen1 chip buyers to get some goodwill, otherwise you and your company is doomed.

You asked a very good question. Let me answer this question for you. Though stupid scammer ngzhang tries his best, he can only design a chip at the shit level. This will make your PCB and IC cost times higher than effective chips. Good luck to order chips from scammer.

I would like to know how much will the PCB board (or boards) cost?  Turnaround to mount the chips?  Firmware tested?  Type of Power supply?  controller?  By the time you are hashing, the difficulty will have grown another 100% and you will be lucky to break even when you can hold or buy bitcoin and wait for it to appreciate.

This is already a opensource design long time ago.

https://github.com/BitSyncom/avalon2-ref

and now we moved all binary document to :

http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/hardware/A3255/prototype/

It's fairly stable now.

I just put 2 prototype on our shop, at a very high price (6BTC for 140G , really high), and out of stock in a few minutes. We have no plan to make more of them at present.

Because we met unpredictable delays on Gen1 chips, so we avoided pre-order model forever. our "in stock" supply ability is over 1PH pre month now, so there's nothing to worry about.

for out-China customers, here is our overseas chip agent:


Note: Chips only , NO machines available. Accept USD ONLY.

We are looking forward to seeing what you can do with them.

Can't we make a pcb-board for 110nm ?...And i got the datasheet from the chip would somebody take a look at that ? to confirm if its the 110nm chip

As expected, their 2nd generation chips will be created using a 55nm process and utilize the same packaging as their first generation 110nm chips, with small changes to padding but the same communications protocol. Although this constrained their design options, it will enable full backward compatibility with PCBs developed for their first generation chips

http://thegenesisblock.com/tag/pcb/

ngzhang is a scammer. If you are not familiar with this guy, please see his trusting feedback. If you have been hurt by him, give him a negative feedback, it only spends you 20 seconds.

He is making a point that you need a board and that increase costs...

what are you smoking? Obviously the chips need to be part of a system, just like the gen1 chips and chips made by every other manufacturer.

I didn't realize these chips have built-in Wifi Internet and come ready to daisy-chain to each other and power directly by 110V/220V AC outlet all while self-cooling to below 50 °C.  I am ordering 50,000 of these magical chips right away!

I made an order for 500 chips in Sunday.
Yesterday Fedex called me that sending is here and I have to go to the customs

Am I missing something Avalon's website says 500 gen2 for 12BTC.
So 12/500 = .024 BTC per chip?