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legendary
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July 27, 2015, 11:37:10 PM
ebay besides fees allows to reverse the transactions... the same way  as paypal allows dispute after 30 days soo those for sure makes any seller sick and thinking camon really chargeback a product sold last month.This is on the way and well potencial is huge and will become the best way to sell and buy anything besides get more attention into bitcoin world.

With a proper escrow system you don't have to worry about chargebacks... refunds should totally be part of the design of a trustless marketplace but not at the buyer's descretion.

With turing complete scripts or peter todd's new OP you can do trustless reversals.

No you cannot, because your script still need a trustable input from the real world as the scamming can go both ways. Reversing the crypto transaction would not reverse a real-world delivery...
legendary
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July 27, 2015, 11:32:33 PM
Videotaping won't help much. If someone can scam, they can fake a video.

Yes, and even if they are not, who will watch all those video is and arbiter the disputes? Who can coerce the scammer? This would take expensive escrows to cover just the time wasted on all that.
hero member
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July 27, 2015, 09:29:55 PM
the layout looks interesting and has same colous as paypal and some know business model looks blues is the color of sucess these days
hero member
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July 26, 2015, 04:57:50 PM
Videotaping won't help much. If someone can scam, they can fake a video.
sr. member
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July 26, 2015, 02:41:44 PM
I like the idea of the image above showing home grown coffee. I would find it quite novel ordering some coffee from joe bloggs from a developing country through the mail. I suppose i best take a look at customs and exise.
legendary
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July 26, 2015, 12:51:29 PM
Yes, you are right. Dealing with every single scammer is not an issue that will be easily solved by any one system.

Buyers can say they didn't receive the correct item, when they obviously did.

Sellers can pack a fake item or nothing at all.

Both the buyer and seller could videotape, but that's an incredible amount of work, and not practical for the seller if they are doing any kind of high volume.

*HOPEFULLY*, the majority of the people who use it will be honest. I know I will be.
legendary
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July 26, 2015, 12:27:23 PM
People will need to make a habit out of *VIDEOTAPING* the opening of all their packages, if such scams start becoming widespread.

That way, you'd have proof that the box either contained nothing or did not contain the item you ordered.

Also, the reputation system should hopefully help you identify scammers before you order from them.


Well if the reputation system ever goes the way of eBay's, it will become worthless. You used to be able to identify scammers more easily on eBay, especially from buyers.

Also as a frequent seller and buyer on eBay (over 2000 feedback), I have seen way more attempts of scamming from buyers than sellers. Actually, I do not think I ever have been outright scammed buying something, there were a few times I had to open a ticket with a seller, but all of them were resolved properly by the seller.

I have have had maybe 30 tickets I was forced to deal with due to buyers claiming they did not get an item, or item not as described, with half of these outright deliberately trying to scam me and the other half at best not properly reading the description (i.e. expecting new when item clearly states used with any flaws described).

If the item is of significant value, I would suggest videotaping as you describe, not only for buyer but the seller as well as they pack the item. Another option as a buyer, maybe even as a seller but I have never tried it, is to open the package in front of a witness, such as delivery person, or hold packages at the Post office, etc and open them in front of the counter person to witness if it is a empty box or rock, etc. I suppose a seller could have everything ready and finish packing/taping the box up in from said counter person and see if they would sign affidavit.

Anyway, the point is scams can occur on both sides of the trade, so don't assume it is just sellers.
legendary
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July 26, 2015, 11:41:09 AM
People will need to make a habit out of *VIDEOTAPING* the opening of all their packages, if such scams start becoming widespread.

That way, you'd have proof that the box either contained nothing or did not contain the item you ordered.

Also, the reputation system should hopefully help you identify scammers before you order from them.
sr. member
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July 26, 2015, 09:59:48 AM
I'm not even remind you the enormous amount of scamming going on.

I don't think OpenBazaar will be much different regarding scamming. Unfortunately when this thing goes live properly or people actually start using it its going to be flooded with scammers just like the marketplace is here. The only difference between ebay/paypal and this is the decision in who gets to keep the money will be down to escrow and that's where some people will lose out and it's always the scammers that have got nothing to lose.

That's why OpenBazaar will only use high trusted escrows so the scammers can't profit from it.

Scammers can easily still profit from it as even a highly trusted escrow may not have all the facts. You could send the item to a scammer and he claims it never arrived or you sent him a broken item or box of rubbish. Similarly someone could actually just send you a box of rubbish.

The escrow system will be decentralized so anyone could be an escrow...

If anyone can escrow then this will lead top problems.
sr. member
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July 24, 2015, 12:40:11 PM

That kind of set up looks amazing. I'm really excited about the prospect of OpenBazaar. Fingers crossed it can really push us into the realms of mainstream adoption. We need a bit of a push now, new adoption has slowed.

I share your sentiments. This has to be a push in the right direction.
legendary
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July 24, 2015, 12:36:29 PM

That kind of set up looks amazing. I'm really excited about the prospect of OpenBazaar. Fingers crossed it can really push us into the realms of mainstream adoption. We need a bit of a push now, new adoption has slowed.
legendary
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July 24, 2015, 09:42:39 AM
I'm not even remind you the enormous amount of scamming going on.

I don't think OpenBazaar will be much different regarding scamming. Unfortunately when this thing goes live properly or people actually start using it its going to be flooded with scammers just like the marketplace is here. The only difference between ebay/paypal and this is the decision in who gets to keep the money will be down to escrow and that's where some people will lose out and it's always the scammers that have got nothing to lose.

That's why OpenBazaar will only use high trusted escrows so the scammers can't profit from it.

some of those escrow will come from bitcointalk? just curious, there a very high trusted members here, that can help there

The escrow system will be decentralized so anyone could be an escrow...
legendary
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July 24, 2015, 09:14:06 AM
I'm not even remind you the enormous amount of scamming going on.

I don't think OpenBazaar will be much different regarding scamming. Unfortunately when this thing goes live properly or people actually start using it its going to be flooded with scammers just like the marketplace is here. The only difference between ebay/paypal and this is the decision in who gets to keep the money will be down to escrow and that's where some people will lose out and it's always the scammers that have got nothing to lose.

That's why OpenBazaar will only use high trusted escrows so the scammers can't profit from it.

some of those escrow will come from bitcointalk? just curious, there a very high trusted members here, that can help there
legendary
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Not your Keys, Not your Bitcoins
July 24, 2015, 09:10:13 AM
I'm not even remind you the enormous amount of scamming going on.

I don't think OpenBazaar will be much different regarding scamming. Unfortunately when this thing goes live properly or people actually start using it its going to be flooded with scammers just like the marketplace is here. The only difference between ebay/paypal and this is the decision in who gets to keep the money will be down to escrow and that's where some people will lose out and it's always the scammers that have got nothing to lose.

That's why OpenBazaar will only use high trusted escrows so the scammers can't profit from it.
sr. member
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July 24, 2015, 08:47:43 AM
I'm not even remind you the enormous amount of scamming going on.

I don't think OpenBazaar will be much different regarding scamming. Unfortunately when this thing goes live properly or people actually start using it its going to be flooded with scammers just like the marketplace is here. The only difference between ebay/paypal and this is the decision in who gets to keep the money will be down to escrow and that's where some people will lose out and it's always the scammers that have got nothing to lose.
staff
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July 24, 2015, 06:41:30 AM
legendary
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July 24, 2015, 06:37:19 AM
eBay has one of the worst buggy software running and they are a bunch of frauds. Then why they are still in business?!? Answer is simple. There are no decent alternatives. Hope OpenBazaar will kick their a$$.
Majority of the seller on eBay wont understand the complicacy of OpenBazaar, let alone there is no reason to trust some anonymous escrow.

Are you kidding ? eBay is a pain in the ass, it can take an hour to put an item on sale !
It is no surprise that many people give up.

This is a copy/paste from a selling page :

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I'm not even remind you the enormous amount of scamming going on.
legendary
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July 24, 2015, 05:15:33 AM
Anybody knows if they will provide shipping too? OR we will need to use our own shipping service?

What do you mean by our shipping services ? Basically the seller ship to the adress provided by the buyer .
Check here for more informations on how it works : https://blog.openbazaar.org/buyers-guide-to-openbazaar-beta-0-4/
"Clicking on “Order Details” on the bottom left will bring you to a screen that allows you to purchase the product. You can determine the quantity desired, and attach a comment for the merchant to see along with your order. If you haven’t entered your shipping address in Settings already, a red warning will ask you to do so before proceeding. The price for the product and shipping and handling are displayed again."

Sorry. I have misunderstood the shipping proccess. Now everything is clear,thanks!
staff
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July 24, 2015, 05:06:43 AM
Anybody knows if they will provide shipping too? OR we will need to use our own shipping service?

What do you mean by our shipping services ? Basically the seller ship to the adress provided by the buyer .
Check here for more informations on how it works : https://blog.openbazaar.org/buyers-guide-to-openbazaar-beta-0-4/
"Clicking on “Order Details” on the bottom left will bring you to a screen that allows you to purchase the product. You can determine the quantity desired, and attach a comment for the merchant to see along with your order. If you haven’t entered your shipping address in Settings already, a red warning will ask you to do so before proceeding. The price for the product and shipping and handling are displayed again."
legendary
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July 24, 2015, 05:05:56 AM
eBay has one of the worst buggy software running and they are a bunch of frauds. Then why they are still in business?!? Answer is simple. There are no decent alternatives. Hope OpenBazaar will kick their a$$.

Majority of the seller on eBay wont understand the complicacy of OpenBazaar, let alone there is no reason to trust some anonymous escrow.
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