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myrkul

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Quote from: unclemantis on July 08, 2012, 07:57:13 PM

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Not that they would have listened, anyway, or Marijuana would be legal by now.

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Quote from: jfreak53 on May 20, 2012, 02:40:50 PM

I get a lot of income from overseas, and as much I think I should be allowed to Opt-Out of Social Security and receive a return of all I have paid in, even if it's a rollover to a Roth IRA of my choice. It's my cash and I hate it that the Government gets to force me to invest in Social Security, I should have the choice.

Sign this petition, let's see if it works:
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/allow-citizens-opt-out-social-security-taxes-and-return-them-all-money-paid-upon-opt-out/KLcN0850

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TheButterZone

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YOU make the extraordinary claims, so it's up to YOU to provide at the very least ordinary, not random internet BS, proof. Show us a US Supreme Court ruling, an appellate court ruling, sworn congressional testimony that was recorded or transcribed by CSPAN or another official source, ANYTHING on any government website, or fall on your sword of BS, NOT TRUTH.

I have every doubt of what YOU claim is reality, since you seem to do nothing but substitute your own. Just because someone doubts your bloody fantasies and bullshit "proof" does not mean they are certain of, or are arguing, a fucking thing, other than that you are full of unsubstantiated BS.

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Quote from: TheButterZone on July 08, 2012, 05:46:39 PM

Quote from: Hawker on July 08, 2012, 05:42:58 PM

Quote from: TheButterZone on July 08, 2012, 05:40:13 PM

Because this anonymous "source" is absolute fact, right...

http://www.ask.com/answers/62035321/do-i-qualify-for-social-security-benefits-as-a-paroled-ex-felon

If you have a source that says our beloved cryptoanarchist can't claim social security at 70, great. If not, what are you trying to say here?

That you act like the internets are a perfect substitute for paid, or even pro-bono legal counsel... LOL ridiculous.

But you have no doubt that he is entitled to claim social security benefits after years of avoiding contributions. That is not LOL ridiculous at all is it.

Complaining that the source is not your standard but that data is correct is a stupid point. Try to make an intelligent point.

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RIP Mommy

Quote from: Hawker on July 08, 2012, 05:42:58 PM

Quote from: TheButterZone on July 08, 2012, 05:40:13 PM

Because this anonymous "source" is absolute fact, right...

http://www.ask.com/answers/62035321/do-i-qualify-for-social-security-benefits-as-a-paroled-ex-felon

If you have a source that says our beloved cryptoanarchist can't claim social security at 70, great. If not, what are you trying to say here?

That you act like the internets are a perfect substitute for paid, or even pro-bono legal counsel... LOL ridiculous.

Hawker

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Quote from: TheButterZone on July 08, 2012, 05:40:13 PM

Because this anonymous "source" is absolute fact, right...

http://www.ask.com/answers/62035321/do-i-qualify-for-social-security-benefits-as-a-paroled-ex-felon

If you have a source that says our beloved cryptoanarchist can't claim social security at 70, great. If not, what are you trying to say here?

TheButterZone

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RIP Mommy

Because this anonymous "source" is absolute fact, right... do you also use Wikipedia as you prepare to file court briefs in pro per?

http://www.ask.com/answers/62035321/do-i-qualify-for-social-security-benefits-as-a-paroled-ex-felon

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Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 05:25:36 PM

Quote from: Hawker on July 08, 2012, 04:39:20 PM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 04:30:58 PM

...snip...

You only said "entitled" to which I said "of course not". If you had said "legally entitled", I would have said what I said 3 quotes up. I know, you're confused.

So you are skipping contributions now. And then you change your mind at age 70 and get payments out of the system.

Congratulations! You have found a way to rip off people who work and pay their dues all their lives.

fail

No! You win. You are not contributing and then you can claim. What a clever guy you are!

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Quote from: Hawker on July 08, 2012, 04:39:20 PM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 04:30:58 PM

...snip...

You only said "entitled" to which I said "of course not". If you had said "legally entitled", I would have said what I said 3 quotes up. I know, you're confused.

So you are skipping contributions now. And then you change your mind at age 70 and get payments out of the system.

Congratulations! You have found a way to rip off people who work and pay their dues all their lives.

fail

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Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 04:30:58 PM

...snip...

You only said "entitled" to which I said "of course not". If you had said "legally entitled", I would have said what I said 3 quotes up. I know, you're confused.

So you are skipping contributions now. And then you change your mind at age 70 and get payments out of the system.

Congratulations! You have found a way to rip off people who work and pay their dues all their lives.

cryptoanarchist

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Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 04:25:51 PM

Quote from: Hawker on July 08, 2012, 04:22:39 PM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 04:18:29 PM

Quote from: Hawker on July 08, 2012, 04:12:15 PM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 04:05:24 PM

Quote from: Hawker on July 08, 2012, 03:56:18 PM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 03:54:58 PM

If you have to fill out a W-2 its a shitty job to begin with, regardless of what they're paying you.

I get usually get contracted and never need to supply a SSN in the first place. Then the IRS has to prove that you have taxable income. Not very easy when they don't even know what you made in the first place. They don't have the manpower to spy on me 24/7.

Will you be entitled to claim social security when you reach age 70?

Of course not. Why would I want it? I don't take money from scumbags that they themselves robbed from others.

Hmm. Can you provide a source for that? I have never heard of an American who is not entitled to SS at 70 but I have to admit that its not something I ever looked into.

http://www.ask.com/answers/62035321/do-i-qualify-for-social-security-benefits-as-a-paroled-ex-felon

It appears that all you need to do is ask.

So right now you are not paying a penny. But later, you get the benefit.

Free-loader much?

I don't know or care what the legal masonic bullshit says. I'm not entitled to money from a program that I didn't support. I don't contract with the government AT ALL, so how could I pick it up?

Please provide a source. I though any deadbeat could claim social security. Even people who have been in jail all their lives.

Are you demanding I provide a source for something YOU'RE claiming?!? Scroll up, dum dum, I never said I knew one way or the other who could get SSN, but I'm pretty sure you at least have to have gov't ID, which I don't.

You only said "entitled" to which I said "of course not". If you had said "legally entitled", I would have said what I said 3 quotes up. I know, you're confused.

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Quote from: Hawker on July 08, 2012, 04:22:39 PM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 04:18:29 PM

Quote from: Hawker on July 08, 2012, 04:12:15 PM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 04:05:24 PM

Quote from: Hawker on July 08, 2012, 03:56:18 PM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 03:54:58 PM

If you have to fill out a W-2 its a shitty job to begin with, regardless of what they're paying you.

I get usually get contracted and never need to supply a SSN in the first place. Then the IRS has to prove that you have taxable income. Not very easy when they don't even know what you made in the first place. They don't have the manpower to spy on me 24/7.

Will you be entitled to claim social security when you reach age 70?

Of course not. Why would I want it? I don't take money from scumbags that they themselves robbed from others.

Hmm. Can you provide a source for that? I have never heard of an American who is not entitled to SS at 70 but I have to admit that its not something I ever looked into.

I don't know or care what the legal masonic bullshit says. I'm not entitled to money from a program that I didn't support. I don't contract with the government AT ALL, so how could I pick it up?

Please provide a source. I though any deadbeat could claim social security. Even people who have been in jail all their lives.

Are you demanding I provide a source for something YOU'RE claiming?!? Scroll up, dum dum, I never said I knew one way or the other who could get SSN, but I'm pretty sure you at least have to have gov't ID, which I don't.

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Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 04:18:29 PM

Quote from: Hawker on July 08, 2012, 04:12:15 PM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 04:05:24 PM

Quote from: Hawker on July 08, 2012, 03:56:18 PM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 03:54:58 PM

If you have to fill out a W-2 its a shitty job to begin with, regardless of what they're paying you.

I get usually get contracted and never need to supply a SSN in the first place. Then the IRS has to prove that you have taxable income. Not very easy when they don't even know what you made in the first place. They don't have the manpower to spy on me 24/7.

Will you be entitled to claim social security when you reach age 70?

Of course not. Why would I want it? I don't take money from scumbags that they themselves robbed from others.

Hmm. Can you provide a source for that? I have never heard of an American who is not entitled to SS at 70 but I have to admit that its not something I ever looked into.

I don't know or care what the legal masonic bullshit says. I'm not entitled to money from a program that I didn't support. I don't contract with the government AT ALL, so how could I pick it up?

Please provide a source. I though any deadbeat could claim social security. Even people who have been in jail all their lives.

cryptoanarchist

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Quote from: Hawker on July 08, 2012, 04:12:15 PM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 04:05:24 PM

Quote from: Hawker on July 08, 2012, 03:56:18 PM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 03:54:58 PM

If you have to fill out a W-2 its a shitty job to begin with, regardless of what they're paying you.

I get usually get contracted and never need to supply a SSN in the first place. Then the IRS has to prove that you have taxable income. Not very easy when they don't even know what you made in the first place. They don't have the manpower to spy on me 24/7.

Will you be entitled to claim social security when you reach age 70?

Of course not. Why would I want it? I don't take money from scumbags that they themselves robbed from others.

Hmm. Can you provide a source for that? I have never heard of an American who is not entitled to SS at 70 but I have to admit that its not something I ever looked into.

I don't know or care what the legal masonic bullshit says. I'm not entitled to money from a program that I didn't support. I don't contract with the government AT ALL, so how could I pick it up?

Hawker

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Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 04:05:24 PM

Quote from: Hawker on July 08, 2012, 03:56:18 PM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 03:54:58 PM

If you have to fill out a W-2 its a shitty job to begin with, regardless of what they're paying you.

I get usually get contracted and never need to supply a SSN in the first place. Then the IRS has to prove that you have taxable income. Not very easy when they don't even know what you made in the first place. They don't have the manpower to spy on me 24/7.

Will you be entitled to claim social security when you reach age 70?

Of course not. Why would I want it? I don't take money from scumbags that they themselves robbed from others.

Hmm. Can you provide a source for that? I have never heard of an American who is not entitled to SS at 70 but I have to admit that its not something I ever looked into.

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Quote from: Hawker on July 08, 2012, 03:56:18 PM

Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 03:54:58 PM

If you have to fill out a W-2 its a shitty job to begin with, regardless of what they're paying you.

I get usually get contracted and never need to supply a SSN in the first place. Then the IRS has to prove that you have taxable income. Not very easy when they don't even know what you made in the first place. They don't have the manpower to spy on me 24/7.

Will you be entitled to claim social security when you reach age 70?

Of course not. Why would I want it? I don't take money from scumbags that they themselves robbed from others.

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Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 12:32:42 PM

Quote from: Gareth Nelson on July 08, 2012, 11:15:18 AM

This is again total nonsense.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land

I'm not sure what you're referring to as "nonsense", but if you are talking about the ALL CAPS name thing, you're 100% wrong. I have a common law copyright to my strawman that was published in the paper and they absolutely recognized that fact in court. To this day, I haven't paid any penalties nor served any time for 3 different tickets. The cops know where I am and haven't done anything.

Citation needed - i.e an actual copy of the court's opinion wherein they state that your ALL CAPS name is somehow a separate legal entity from you.

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Quote from: cryptoanarchist on July 08, 2012, 03:54:58 PM

If you have to fill out a W-2 its a shitty job to begin with, regardless of what they're paying you.

I get usually get contracted and never need to supply a SSN in the first place. Then the IRS has to prove that you have taxable income. Not very easy when they don't even know what you made in the first place. They don't have the manpower to spy on me 24/7.

Will you be entitled to claim social security when you reach age 70?

cryptoanarchist

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If you have to fill out a W-2 its a shitty job to begin with, regardless of what they're paying you.

I get usually get contracted and never need to supply a SSN in the first place. Then the IRS has to prove that you have taxable income. Not very easy when they don't even know what you made in the first place. They don't have the manpower to spy on me 24/7.

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