Original owner of Avirunes wants his account back.Please help

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Quote from: PassThePopcorn on May 01, 2016, 06:12:34 AM

Before giving negative trust that 1Sam account might have done nothing wrong but played at Luckybit (edit* or funnybtc.com - it seems funnybtc.com was also a gambling site), the person that says he was scammed was scammed by a website called funnybtc, who then spent the BTC on a wager at Luckybit. The funds then flowed from a luckybit wallet to a luckybit wallet and 1Sam. Unless I was missing something.

Maybe I am mistaken but the scam accusation against the 1Sam / luckybit is not very detailed. I do still believe that the account should not be given to Wewillallbeforgotten and should remain with the current account holder for other reasons, mostly Wewillallbeforgotten has failed to provid sufficient evidence that he owns the account other than that he at one time owned the account.

The evidence of being able to login to a Blockchain.info account is not actual evidence, they've been hacked so many times he could just have the user information.

I whole heartedly agree that Wewillallbeforgotten shouldn't just be handed over the Avirunes account, any time a scam accusation is made, it's been the habit for some to flagged the accused's account with "There is a scam accusation against this user" or similar, so that's what I have done.

Wewillallbeforgotten is welcome to respond to those accusations here and about the 2014 accusation too.

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on May 01, 2016, 05:27:10 AM

Quote from: Avirunes on May 01, 2016, 05:08:06 AM

Quote from: Timelord2067 on May 01, 2016, 04:59:23 AM

1NuYgr8p1pu8MkfEtkynebL4b4mjjdRz9E sends 15aJtBnnvEF8zwUeo1bM6gc95KRRDNWPnP funds.

1NuYgr8p1pu8MkfEtkynebL4b4mjjdRz9E sends 1SamNZsRh1CqFxR9JyqF6EsQ8iv3QgrRT funds just once in the 50 most recent transactions.

Wallet 1SamNZsRh1CqFxR9JyqF6EsQ8iv3QgrRT is the subject of stolen BitCoins:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7066011
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7066329
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6904002

Then it all clears. Wewillallbeforgotten is scammer afterall. Marvellous work TIMELORD2067. You are Sherlock Holmes of bitcointalk.org Cheesy

Thanks for your good wishes, this is the negative trust I have given Wewillallbeforgotten

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Claims to be the original owner of Avirunes but cannot provide signed message, *but* admits being owner of linked Wallet address 1SamNZsRh1CqFxR9JyqF6EsQ8iv3QgrRT that has an unresolved (?) Stolen BitCoins accusation against it.

If Wewillallbeforgotten can sign a message from either

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1NuYgr8p1pu8MkfEtkynebL4b4mjjdRz9E
1SamNZsRh1CqFxR9JyqF6EsQ8iv3QgrRT

Then they are the likely original owner of your account (How ActSeller got a hold of it is another question entirely)

Before giving negative trust that 1Sam account might have done nothing wrong but played at Luckybit (edit* or funnybtc.com - it seems funnybtc.com was also a gambling site), the person that says he was scammed was scammed by a website called funnybtc, who then spent the BTC on a wager at Luckybit. The funds then flowed from a luckybit wallet to a luckybit wallet and 1Sam. Unless I was missing something.

Maybe I am mistaken but the scam accusation against the 1Sam / luckybit is not very detailed. I do still believe that the account should not be given to Wewillallbeforgotten and should remain with the current account holder for other reasons, mostly Wewillallbeforgotten has failed to provid sufficient evidence that he owns the account other than that he at one time owned the account.

The evidence of being able to login to a Blockchain.info account is not actual evidence, they've been hacked so many times he could just have the user information.

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Quote from: Avirunes on May 01, 2016, 05:08:06 AM

Quote from: Timelord2067 on May 01, 2016, 04:59:23 AM

1NuYgr8p1pu8MkfEtkynebL4b4mjjdRz9E sends 15aJtBnnvEF8zwUeo1bM6gc95KRRDNWPnP funds.

1NuYgr8p1pu8MkfEtkynebL4b4mjjdRz9E sends 1SamNZsRh1CqFxR9JyqF6EsQ8iv3QgrRT funds just once in the 50 most recent transactions.

Wallet 1SamNZsRh1CqFxR9JyqF6EsQ8iv3QgrRT is the subject of stolen BitCoins:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7066011
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7066329
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6904002

Then it all clears. Wewillallbeforgotten is scammer afterall. Marvellous work TIMELORD2067. You are Sherlock Holmes of bitcointalk.org Cheesy

Thanks for your good wishes, this is the negative trust I have given Wewillallbeforgotten

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Claims to be the original owner of Avirunes but cannot provide signed message, *but* admits being owner of linked Wallet address 1SamNZsRh1CqFxR9JyqF6EsQ8iv3QgrRT that has an unresolved (?) Stolen BitCoins accusation against it.

If Wewillallbeforgotten can sign a message from either

Code:

1NuYgr8p1pu8MkfEtkynebL4b4mjjdRz9E
1SamNZsRh1CqFxR9JyqF6EsQ8iv3QgrRT

Then they are the likely original owner of your account (How ActSeller got a hold of it is another question entirely)

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on May 01, 2016, 04:59:23 AM

Quote from: Wewillallbeforgotten on April 27, 2016, 09:06:40 PM

Hi, i am the original owner of Avirunes. I'm not sure the exact time it was hacked/hijacked but the last post from me is from August last year. Please bear with me with the following info as i only have access to an ipad atm so it's a bit harder to check everything. The 1Nuy address was mine, however unfortunately i deleted the key when i switched to a custom generated address (1SamNz....), although there should be plenty of interaction between 1Nuy and 1SamNz. I also have transactions between 1Nuy and my local bitcoins account in my transaction history which i will post.

https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/avirunes/

(This account was also created several years ago)

This one https://archive.is/F2icv#selection-818.2-865.66 , is a cloudbet deposit address which is listed in my cloudbet accounts deposit history. I have taken a bunch of screenshots showing what bitcoin addresses i have access too that might prove acct ownership, my localbitcoins transaction history with 1Nuy in 2014, cloudbet transaction showing 15ajt was one of my deposit addresses, a couple of pms. I will post the link below if i can on this account. Obviously these won't be proof as they could be manipulated, but if i know what info from them would be useful then we can verify that info properly.

Thanks

http://m.imgur.com/a/qUF4c

1NuYgr8p1pu8MkfEtkynebL4b4mjjdRz9E sends 15aJtBnnvEF8zwUeo1bM6gc95KRRDNWPnP funds.

1NuYgr8p1pu8MkfEtkynebL4b4mjjdRz9E sends 1SamNZsRh1CqFxR9JyqF6EsQ8iv3QgrRT funds just once in the 50 most recent transactions.

Wallet 1SamNZsRh1CqFxR9JyqF6EsQ8iv3QgrRT is the subject of stolen BitCoins:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7066011
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7066329
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6904002

Then it all clears. Wewillallbeforgotten is scammer afterall. Marvellous work TIMELORD2067. You are Sherlock Holmes of bitcointalk.org Cheesy

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Quote from: Wewillallbeforgotten on April 27, 2016, 09:06:40 PM

Hi, i am the original owner of Avirunes. I'm not sure the exact time it was hacked/hijacked but the last post from me is from August last year. Please bear with me with the following info as i only have access to an ipad atm so it's a bit harder to check everything. The 1Nuy address was mine, however unfortunately i deleted the key when i switched to a custom generated address (1SamNz....), although there should be plenty of interaction between 1Nuy and 1SamNz. I also have transactions between 1Nuy and my local bitcoins account in my transaction history which i will post.

https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/avirunes/

(This account was also created several years ago)

This one https://archive.is/F2icv#selection-818.2-865.66 , is a cloudbet deposit address which is listed in my cloudbet accounts deposit history. I have taken a bunch of screenshots showing what bitcoin addresses i have access too that might prove acct ownership, my localbitcoins transaction history with 1Nuy in 2014, cloudbet transaction showing 15ajt was one of my deposit addresses, a couple of pms. I will post the link below if i can on this account. Obviously these won't be proof as they could be manipulated, but if i know what info from them would be useful then we can verify that info properly.

Thanks

http://m.imgur.com/a/qUF4c

1NuYgr8p1pu8MkfEtkynebL4b4mjjdRz9E sends 15aJtBnnvEF8zwUeo1bM6gc95KRRDNWPnP funds.

1NuYgr8p1pu8MkfEtkynebL4b4mjjdRz9E sends 1SamNZsRh1CqFxR9JyqF6EsQ8iv3QgrRT funds just once in the 50 most recent transactions.

Wallet 1SamNZsRh1CqFxR9JyqF6EsQ8iv3QgrRT is the subject of stolen BitCoins:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7066011
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7066329
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6904002

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on May 01, 2016, 04:44:01 AM

Quote from: Avirunes on May 01, 2016, 04:09:15 AM

According to previous post,he has access to these addresses:-

Who's previous post?

What Wallet Addresses are these?

I don't know the service, but it looks like whoever took the screen shot was logged in.

http://archive.is/aEk7h

(And by don't know the service, I mean I don't have one of these wallet accounts)

In one of previous posts Reply #10 on 1st page by Wewillallbeforgotten he posts up this message:-

Quote from: Wewillallbeforgotten on April 27, 2016, 09:06:40 PM

Hi, i am the original owner of Avirunes. I'm not sure the exact time it was hacked/hijacked but the last post from me is from August last year. Please bear with me with the following info as i only have access to an ipad atm so it's a bit harder to check everything. The 1Nuy address was mine, however unfortunately i deleted the key when i switched to a custom generated address (1SamNz....), although there should be plenty of interaction between 1Nuy and 1SamNz. I also have transactions between 1Nuy and my local bitcoins account in my transaction history which i will post.

https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/avirunes/

(This account was also created several years ago)

This one https://archive.is/F2icv#selection-818.2-865.66 , is a cloudbet deposit address which is listed in my cloudbet accounts deposit history. I have taken a bunch of screenshots showing what bitcoin addresses i have access too that might prove acct ownership, my localbitcoins transaction history with 1Nuy in 2014, cloudbet transaction showing 15ajt was one of my deposit addresses, a couple of pms. I will post the link below if i can on this account. Obviously these won't be proof as they could be manipulated, but if i know what info from them would be useful then we can verify that info properly.

Thanks

http://m.imgur.com/a/qUF4c

from which i just showed you the blockchain.info wallet accounts he has access to,currently.

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Quote from: Avirunes on May 01, 2016, 04:09:15 AM

According to previous post,he has access to these addresses:-

Who's previous post?

What Wallet Addresses are these?

I don't know the service, but it looks like whoever took the screen shot was logged in.

http://archive.is/aEk7h

(And by don't know the service, I mean I don't have one of these wallet accounts)

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on May 01, 2016, 03:59:15 AM

In either case, why keep the signature

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Signature Designs:- http://bit.ly/AvirunesDesigns

If you bought the account in January?

Well that was a personal message which contain link that directs to my Signature Design & Camapign Management Service thread Link:- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14299015 that was started on March 24,2016 ( i.e around 2 months after the account was sold to me/pjsonowal)

Quote from: Timelord2067 on May 01, 2016, 04:01:03 AM

Wallet Address is part of Wallet [4d49c96588] https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/4d49c9658825089d/addresses

There are only two Wallet Addresses associated with that wallet:

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15aJtBnnvEF8zwUeo1bM6gc95KRRDNWPnP 0. 1 292923
1EN72ffz45dquag3BLQXKowymz6mgJXf7Q 0. 1 292923

According to previous post,he has access to these addresses:-

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Wallet Address is part of Wallet [4d49c96588] https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/4d49c9658825089d/addresses

There are only two Wallet Addresses associated with that wallet:

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15aJtBnnvEF8zwUeo1bM6gc95KRRDNWPnP 0. 1 292923
1EN72ffz45dquag3BLQXKowymz6mgJXf7Q 0. 1 292923

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In either case, why keep the signature

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Signature Designs:- http://bit.ly/AvirunesDesigns

If you bought the account in January?

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on May 01, 2016, 03:52:30 AM

Quote from: Avirunes on April 27, 2016, 11:42:35 AM

Today i received a PM from Wewillallbeforgotten that he was the original owner of account and says that it was hacked around 6months ago.He is offline atm.

Wewillallbeforgotten:

Can you sign a message from this Wallet Address: https://blockchain.info/address/15aJtBnnvEF8zwUeo1bM6gc95KRRDNWPnP which is the earliest Wallet Address used on the user Avirunes http://archive.is/F2icv

Quote from: Avirunes on March 28, 2014, 06:00:06 AM

Quote from: rohnearner on March 28, 2014, 05:26:17 AM

Quote from: Avirunes on March 28, 2014, 05:22:09 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Avirunes on March 28, 2014, 05:04:02 AM

deposits arnt instant like site says

Mine was instant..! it took less than 1min..! not more then that

odd, mine has 6 confirmations and hasn't shown up, despite site saying they show on 0 confirmations =p

hmm Mine was instant yesterday ..! you can talk to cloudbet.. send a PM .. or try contact/support on site if urgent..! would you like to share the transaction with 6+confirmation

https://blockchain.info/address/15aJtBnnvEF8zwUeo1bM6gc95KRRDNWPnP

"15aJtBnnvEF8zwUeo1bM6gc95KRRDNWPnP" :- That was his Cloudbet's Deposit Address. And, the first transaction in which from he made the transaction was his address that he lost while creating an address (He already mentioned here)

Quote from: Timelord2067 on May 01, 2016, 03:55:46 AM

Avirunes:

Can you also sign from this Wallet Address too:

Code:

Address:
1oooTXKUgGbLhVTG4zZ4FJi71Xzk6vijL

Message:
This address belongs to Avirunes(a.k.a pjsonowal)

Signature:
Gzbtwpd1ZMv5x2gqJ5GrgUGHKXmq1opIMxpR4SFz7+PkShR0e42FWC6yh+b/qTQL2W/2XuREiiONfjuh7jalMMk=

Here you go:-

Code:

Address:
1oooTXKUgGbLhVTG4zZ4FJi71Xzk6vijL

Message:
I am pjsonowal and am currently in possession of this bitcointalk account:- Avirunes(UID:175302)

Signature:
HOcpUCqsXUBvxVkpLXhC9b1e1vMiIeQew0dw+JKgM0DMb0NuOTPXWOq+fjYiAr+3fi7CJDyWxv8mtCymYTPHROs=

Verification link

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Avirunes:

Can you also sign from this Wallet Address too:

Code:

Address:
1oooTXKUgGbLhVTG4zZ4FJi71Xzk6vijL

Message:
This address belongs to Avirunes(a.k.a pjsonowal)

Signature:
Gzbtwpd1ZMv5x2gqJ5GrgUGHKXmq1opIMxpR4SFz7+PkShR0e42FWC6yh+b/qTQL2W/2XuREiiONfjuh7jalMMk=

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Quote from: Avirunes on April 27, 2016, 11:42:35 AM

Today i received a PM from Wewillallbeforgotten that he was the original owner of account and says that it was hacked around 6months ago.He is offline atm.

Wewillallbeforgotten:

Can you sign a message from this Wallet Address: https://blockchain.info/address/15aJtBnnvEF8zwUeo1bM6gc95KRRDNWPnP which is the earliest Wallet Address used on the user Avirunes http://archive.is/F2icv

Quote from: Avirunes on March 28, 2014, 06:00:06 AM

Quote from: rohnearner on March 28, 2014, 05:26:17 AM

Quote from: Avirunes on March 28, 2014, 05:22:09 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Avirunes on March 28, 2014, 05:04:02 AM

deposits arnt instant like site says

Mine was instant..! it took less than 1min..! not more then that

odd, mine has 6 confirmations and hasn't shown up, despite site saying they show on 0 confirmations =p

hmm Mine was instant yesterday ..! you can talk to cloudbet.. send a PM .. or try contact/support on site if urgent..! would you like to share the transaction with 6+confirmation

https://blockchain.info/address/15aJtBnnvEF8zwUeo1bM6gc95KRRDNWPnP

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Well thats is a hard situation soo why not the real owner refund the current owner and get the account back?6 months out is a lot and there is no staked message that is mandatory to get back the accounts,about account seller i havent made any deal with him because the missing staked adress,even with the prices being good i had almost closed,anyway all my accounts has staked adress for over 3 months soo i cant be hitted like is happening to you.

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If this is life , then I prefer death !

Actseller told me that someone trolled , and now again i hear this incident , so poor for you OP.

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Quote from: Alaki on April 28, 2016, 11:08:22 PM

Basically, ACTseller 's selling hacked accounts or he's the original owner trying to make fun out of scamming people with their account. However, I'd entreat you that don't give your account to the person unless & until they do prove that they're the original owner of the account(they should be able to sign a message). Other than signing a message there isn't any strong proof to be believed IMO.

I am still waiting for Op to give some more proofs that he is real owner.However it already seemed like right from the beginning he was careless and he didn't staked a address in his account.Also i don't think that ActSeller will now come again as looking at his address transactions it seems like he already sold his account and closed his account shop as I think the previous scam accusation against him might have worried him about his business.

Quote from: Wewillallbeforgotten on April 28, 2016, 07:27:19 PM

-$nip-

I have sent you a PM.

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Basically, ACTseller 's selling hacked accounts or he's the original owner trying to make fun out of scamming people with their account. However, I'd entreat you that don't give your account to the person unless & until they do prove that they're the original owner of the account(they should be able to sign a message). Other than signing a message there isn't any strong proof to be believed IMO.

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Hi

In terms of the break, i didn't realise my account had been stolen until now. Shortly after my last post on the account i had some big things going on irl so haven't had much to do with bitcoin for awhile after that, and lurked here more than posting. It was only two days ago when i couldn't log in that i noticed. After seeing that it had been used, i then pm'd op more out of surprise than anything. Seems like a really awkward situation now, as op has posted on it 10x more in 3 months than i did in 3 years but the username is an online identity i have used for the last 5-10 years.

Yes i still have access to the email that created the account.

Edit: not sure if this helps, but my localbitcoin transactions show that i dont have any transactions between sep 1st until a few days ago

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Op should keep this account. I believe if the original owner actually had his account taken he wouldn't have waited all this time to make a claim. He seen it leveled up and now wants to take it back. He most likely sold it for pennies and now sees it has value.

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Quote from: Dogedigital on April 28, 2016, 01:28:12 PM

Seems like it's a pretty simple case.

OP gives the account back to the original owner who seems to have provided proof.

OP tries to retrieve the funds back and/or makes a scam accusation thread against ActSeller.

The "original owner" hasn't provided sufficient proof, he provided screen shots of emails that are questionable at best based on date formats, and since he hasn't had access to the account since August, why is he just now in April providing email documents showing activity in December of no year and February of this year. He is also trying to get his account back when sold by someone who people have reported for selling hacked accounts, to me it seems this person is just trying to benefit off of the current situation.

If he can provide a signed messaged from a staked or unedited BTC address from these forums over a period of time when he owned the account, or it belongs to the one who actually has access to it.

As for trust, negative trust should only be issued if you have participated in a trade with the person and risked some amount, if you just have a suspicion or the account was purchased/sold it should be just a neutral advising others "this happened".

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