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Quote from: OgNasty on February 15, 2018, 03:55:29 PM

I realize that not everyone has rights to see everything that happens on this forum, so they might not understand why Lauda forming a crew to spread negative trust to users is the direct opposite of the forum's wishes. I was once like Lauda and thought we should be proactively fighting against scammers instead of positively lifting up those that don't scam. Lauda, welcome to 2015. Nice to see you're only 2-3 years behind me in trying to better this place, only I accepted the forum's stance, and you've unleashed a sea of tears like an entitled child. This is the response I received from a Global Moderator when I tried to recommend we engage in exactly what Lauda is now doing. This is pretty black/white, right?

Quote from: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1262082

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Q: Why haven't you banned who is an obvious scammer?
A: Possible (or real, not for me to decide) scams are not moderated to prevent moderator abuse. If we start picking out which ones we call "scammers" and ban, we would make a lot of decisions based on biased opinions.

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If we start picking out which ones we call "scammers" and ban, we would make a lot of decisions based on biased opinions.

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picking out which ones we call "scammers"

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picking out

You've posted that somewhere else too, and I thought it missed the point when I first read it, even if it's not a deliberate strawman.
No-one's asking the System, via moderators, to ban suspected scammers for the reasons applicable above.
But that's a Country Mile from the System discouraging/censoring the leaving of trust ratings by individual forum members, even if it's not 100% spot on.
I "pick out" and leave negatives for suspected scammers in the hope that it might stop some newbie getting scammed, but because few of them probably understand things like Depth settings, then I doubt it ever gets read, but I still leave it. Is this not what we are supposed to do?

Lipe490

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I don't see any complaints for others DT members including Ognasty around this forum like I see for Lauda. I have to say, I always got pretty scared to post in Meta, Reputation and Scam threads because of Lauda's abuses. Many of the members are afraid to post a new accusation because they have the fear to get the account ruined like this guy https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29413703

You said you can give merit anytime for anyone you wish, but you tagged hoop for the same reason. Blazed wanted a proof of abuse, here it is.

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Quote from: OgNasty on February 15, 2018, 03:55:29 PM

I realize that not everyone has rights to see everything that happens on this forum, so they might not understand why Lauda forming a crew to spread negative trust to users is the direct opposite of the forum's wishes. I was once like Lauda and thought we should be proactively fighting against scammers instead of positively lifting up those that don't scam. Lauda, welcome to 2015. Nice to see you're only 2-3 years behind me in trying to better this place, only I accepted the forum's stance, and you've unleashed a sea of tears like an entitled child. This is the response I received from a Global Moderator when I tried to recommend we engage in exactly what Lauda is now doing. This is pretty black/white, right?

Quote from: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1262082

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Q: Why haven't you banned who is an obvious scammer?
A: Possible (or real, not for me to decide) scams are not moderated to prevent moderator abuse. If we start picking out which ones we call "scammers" and ban, we would make a lot of decisions based on biased opinions.

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If we start picking out which ones we call "scammers" and ban, we would make a lot of decisions based on biased opinions.

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picking out which ones we call "scammers"

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picking out

So what you're saying is that no one should go against scammers as it's of no use? Also the response from the global mod is that even if the whole community knows that you know who scammer name here > is an obvious scammer who'll keep doing the same thing over and over again (ie scamming innocent users) , the opinion is biased? Then why in the fuck's world does this trust system exist.

What in the Frick's world has this forum turned into. This is a place to discuss about bitcoin and look how successfully people(including me) are discussing about bitcoin. I think shitposters are *discussing* more about bitcoin than people posting in this thread. Can atleast a global mod /staff member lock this thread? This has gone way too far and nothing is properly discussed here rather than arguments for nothing but shit.

Lauda

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Quote from: OgNasty on February 15, 2018, 04:02:51 PM

You can continue to keep spreading lies to try and damage my reputation, but it doesn't have the effect you think it will. You just keep digging your hole deeper and deeper.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.". You are the one who has been doing what you accuse me of ever since your ill-attempted dispute with Lutpin. There's a reason for which people leave you[1].

[1] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Quote from: Lauda on February 15, 2018, 03:57:43 PM

Quote from: tmfp on February 15, 2018, 03:56:30 PM

Yeah I get that, my post was to do with the general principle, prompted by Zepher

Zepher left TMAN positive trust for valid, rather large, deals. TMAN has a dispute with OgNasty. You connect the dots.
No-abuse-at-all. /s

It's just how the system always has worked, but it was never abused (I think) at this scale. If you get kicked, all your ratings are no longer visible by default (thus nullified in a way).

Zepher has spread lies and made so many false statements about me, not even he would agree with your line of thinking here. Obviously Zepher knows I don't trust him, and it has absolutely nothing to do with TMAN whatsoever. TMAN is insignificant. I've been ignoring him for quite a while now as he desperately seeks my attention.

You can continue to keep spreading lies to try and damage my reputation, but it doesn't have the effect you think it will. You just keep digging your hole deeper and deeper.

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Quote from: tmfp on February 15, 2018, 03:56:30 PM

Yeah I get that, my post was to do with the general principle, prompted by Zepher

Zepher left TMAN positive trust for valid, rather large, deals. TMAN has a dispute with OgNasty. You connect the dots.
No-abuse-at-all. /s

It's just how the system always has worked, but it has never been abused (I think) at this scale. If you get kicked, all your ratings are no longer visible by default (thus nullified in a way).

tmfp

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Quote from: Lauda on February 15, 2018, 03:53:29 PM

Quote from: tmfp on February 15, 2018, 03:51:29 PM

Presumably they were trustworthy and valued at some point in time, before the wind changed?

OP is an account trader and farmer. Ergo, why he started this thread and all threads ever about me (or similar). From his perspective, it is in his best interest that all those ratings get nullified.

Yeah I get that, my post was to do with the general principle, prompted by Zepher

Quote from: suchmoon on February 15, 2018, 03:40:07 PM

Quote from: Zepher on February 15, 2018, 03:15:50 PM

After considering things, I honestly couldn't care less about being excluded from DT. I no longer wish to be part of this flawed system, a system that worked for a long time, but is now infiltrated by scammers and people who use it to benefit their own personal agendas.

The only thing that truly pisses me off is the fact that all of my ratings are now defunct. I may not have been completely active recently, but the users who know me understand I have had my reasons for that. I would say that the majority of all the ratings I have ever left are completely valid. The trustworthy users I have given positive trust to, for often very large deals, means nothing now.
All the untrustworthy users I have tagged over the years, to warn other users to avoid that person - means nothing now.

It ALL means nothing. Congrats.

What a clusterfuck. I'll review your ratings over the weekend and if I'm still in DT by then - I'll try to repost as many as I can.

OgNasty

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I realize that not everyone has rights to see everything that happens on this forum, so they might not understand why Lauda forming a crew to spread negative trust to users is the direct opposite of the forum's wishes. I was once like Lauda and thought we should be proactively fighting against scammers instead of positively lifting up those that don't scam. Lauda, welcome to 2015. Nice to see you're only 2-3 years behind me in trying to better this place, only I accepted the forum's stance, and you've unleashed a sea of tears like an entitled child. This is the response I received from a Global Moderator when I tried to recommend we engage in exactly what Lauda is now doing. This is pretty black/white, right?

Quote from: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1262082

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Q: Why haven't you banned who is an obvious scammer?
A: Possible (or real, not for me to decide) scams are not moderated to prevent moderator abuse. If we start picking out which ones we call "scammers" and ban, we would make a lot of decisions based on biased opinions.

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If we start picking out which ones we call "scammers" and ban, we would make a lot of decisions based on biased opinions.

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picking out which ones we call "scammers"

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picking out

Zepher

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Quote from: Lipe490 on February 15, 2018, 03:36:12 PM

Well, I understand. But why did you get excluded from DT list?

I got excluded from Tomatocage's trust list within hours of posting this. Read my post history for more info.
I have been excluded from Og's trust list for months.
The exclusion from Tomatocage (QuickScammer) is what booted me from DT.

Quote from: suchmoon on February 15, 2018, 03:40:07 PM

What a clusterfuck. I'll review your ratings over the weekend and if I'm still in DT by then - I'll try to repost as many as I can.

Thanks. Appreciate it.

Lauda

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Quote from: tmfp on February 15, 2018, 03:51:29 PM

Presumably they were trustworthy and valued at some point in time, before the wind changed?

OP is an account trader and farmer. Ergo, why he started this thread and all threads ever about me (or similar). From his perspective, it is in his best interest that all those ratings get nullified.

tmfp

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"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."

Absolutely going to go nowhere near the knitting circle politics of this "situation", but the disappearing of all trust previously left by an ousted member of Default Trust seems to be pretty daft.
Presumably they were trustworthy and valued at some point in time, before the wind changed?
Surely, as "Nights of the Cross Thru's" like this are relatively rare, previously left positives and negatives should stand, unless challenged and then arbitrated on.

Lauda

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Quote from: Lipe490 on February 15, 2018, 03:36:12 PM

But why did you get excluded from DT list?

1 word: Abuse. The rest is trivial semantics.

Quote from: suchmoon on February 15, 2018, 03:40:07 PM

What a clusterfuck. I'll review your ratings over the weekend and if I'm still in DT by then - I'll try to repost as many as I can.

Just make sure you don't leave any positive ratings to TMAN, or it is going to be very likely that you will no longer be in DT. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Zepher on February 15, 2018, 03:15:50 PM

After considering things, I honestly couldn't care less about being excluded from DT. I no longer wish to be part of this flawed system, a system that worked for a long time, but is now infiltrated by scammers and people who use it to benefit their own personal agendas.

The only thing that truly pisses me off is the fact that all of my ratings are now defunct. I may not have been completely active recently, but the users who know me understand I have had my reasons for that. I would say that the majority of all the ratings I have ever left are completely valid. The trustworthy users I have given positive trust to, for often very large deals, means nothing now.
All the untrustworthy users I have tagged over the years, to warn other users to avoid that person - means nothing now.

It ALL means nothing. Congrats.

What a clusterfuck. I'll review your ratings over the weekend and if I'm still in DT by then - I'll try to repost as many as I can.

Lipe490

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Quote from: Zepher on February 15, 2018, 03:32:40 PM

Quote from: Lipe490 on February 15, 2018, 03:19:43 PM

Quote from: Zepher on February 15, 2018, 03:15:50 PM

After considering things, I honestly couldn't care less about being excluded from DT. I no longer wish to be part of this flawed system, a system that worked for a long time, but is now infiltrated by scammers and people who use it to benefit their own personal agendas.

The only thing that truly pisses me off is the fact that all of my ratings are now defunct. I may not have been completely active recently, but the users who know me understand I have had my reasons for that. I would say that the majority of all the ratings I have ever left are completely valid. The trustworthy users I have given positive trust to, for often very large deals, means nothing now.
All the untrustworthy users I have tagged over the years, to warn other users to avoid that person - means nothing now.

It ALL means nothing. Congrats.

I disagree. I think it means too much. You helped to expose scammers. But the question is, did you do that because you wanted to keep the forum cleaner? If that is the reason then you shouldn't care if the tag are not showing in their profile tab.

Yes, I tried to do my part in contributing to the "cleanliness" of the forum. I have never been anywhere near as active as someone like Lauda, but I would like to think i have helped in some way.

Anyway, your argument is flawed.

The majority of users have their trust settings at depth 2, and so although my ratings are still there, they are now untrusted - which is hidden by default. So it means nothing

Well, I understand. But why did you get excluded from DT list?

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Quote from: Lipe490 on February 15, 2018, 03:19:43 PM

Quote from: Zepher on February 15, 2018, 03:15:50 PM

After considering things, I honestly couldn't care less about being excluded from DT. I no longer wish to be part of this flawed system, a system that worked for a long time, but is now infiltrated by scammers and people who use it to benefit their own personal agendas.

The only thing that truly pisses me off is the fact that all of my ratings are now defunct. I may not have been completely active recently, but the users who know me understand I have had my reasons for that. I would say that the majority of all the ratings I have ever left are completely valid. The trustworthy users I have given positive trust to, for often very large deals, means nothing now.
All the untrustworthy users I have tagged over the years, to warn other users to avoid that person - means nothing now.

It ALL means nothing. Congrats.

I disagree. I think it means too much. You helped to expose scammers. But the question is, did you do that because you wanted to keep the forum cleaner? If that is the reason then you shouldn't care if the tag are not showing in their profile tab.

Yes, I tried to do my part in contributing to the "cleanliness" of the forum. I have never been anywhere near as active as someone like Lauda, but I would like to think i have helped in some way.

Anyway, your argument is flawed.

The majority of users have their trust settings at depth 2, and so although my ratings are still there, they are now untrusted - which is hidden by default. So it means nothing

Lipe490

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Quote from: Lauda on February 15, 2018, 03:20:58 PM

Quote from: Lipe490 on February 15, 2018, 03:19:43 PM

If that is the reason then you shouldn't care if the tag are not showing in their profile tab.

Intelligent, you do not seem to be. It is exactly the opposite.

lol. Aren't you going to call me a dumbass or a fucking moron? Where is all your good manners? I think it's time to take your pills, because you said I do not seem to be intelligent instead calling me names like you usually do with everyone else.

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Quote from: Lipe490 on February 15, 2018, 03:19:43 PM

If that is the reason then you shouldn't care if the tag are not showing in their profile tab.

Intelligent, you do not seem to be. It is exactly the opposite.

Lipe490

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Quote from: Zepher on February 15, 2018, 03:15:50 PM

After considering things, I honestly couldn't care less about being excluded from DT. I no longer wish to be part of this flawed system, a system that worked for a long time, but is now infiltrated by scammers and people who use it to benefit their own personal agendas.

The only thing that truly pisses me off is the fact that all of my ratings are now defunct. I may not have been completely active recently, but the users who know me understand I have had my reasons for that. I would say that the majority of all the ratings I have ever left are completely valid. The trustworthy users I have given positive trust to, for often very large deals, means nothing now.
All the untrustworthy users I have tagged over the years, to warn other users to avoid that person - means nothing now.

It ALL means nothing. Congrats.

I disagree. I think it means too much. You helped to expose scammers. But the question is, did you do that because you wanted to keep the forum cleaner? If that is the reason then you shouldn't care if the tag are not showing in their profile tab.

Zepher

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After considering things, I honestly couldn't care less about being excluded from DT. I no longer wish to be part of this flawed system, a system that worked for a long time, but is now infiltrated by scammers and people who use it to benefit their own personal agendas.

The only thing that truly pisses me off is the fact that all of my ratings are now defunct. I may not have been completely active recently, but the users who know me understand I have had my reasons for that. I would say that the majority of all the ratings I have ever left are completely valid. The trustworthy users I have given positive trust to, for often very large deals, means nothing now.
All the untrustworthy users I have tagged over the years, to warn other users to avoid that person - means nothing now.

It ALL means nothing. Congrats.

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Quote from: Quickseller on February 15, 2018, 02:51:10 PM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/contract-2ca32f5-2954287

I’ll let that speak for itself.

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