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unclescrooge

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Quote from: unclescrooge on September 15, 2012, 08:36:35 AM

Hi Chaang,

In the event pirate repays some/all of his debt, will you be able to buy back the bonds? It seems things are progressing finally (from the action of BrightAnarchist, with whom you probable are working).

unclescrooge

Yes, BrightAnarchist and I are working on this together. I have let him take the lead since he just seems more calm about this and people are attacking me for it. It is a shock the number of people who do not want us to go after pirate. BA is optimistic however IMO pirate is not going to go down with out a fight, and that means going to the Feds... So, I'm going to have to wait while we do the basic legal stuff that really we should do first anyway. So since this a group effort I will act as a member of a group.

If the bond holders want me to break away and start faster action this will take more money and time and really I will have to have someone in the USA help me.

For right now I think we are in good hands with BA at the helm.

Thanks.

Yes you seemed to be working calmly and efficiently and I am very optimistic about the outcome. Don't rush things and throw more money than necessary, at this point I don't think any of us are in a hurry to recover the funds, up to one more month is ok I think.

Anyway, a really big thank you to you all, you're great

unclescrooge

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Quote from: unclescrooge on September 15, 2012, 08:36:35 AM

Hi Chaang,

In the event pirate repays some/all of his debt, will you be able to buy back the bonds? It seems things are progressing finally (from the action of BrightAnarchist, with whom you probable are working).

unclescrooge

Yes, BrightAnarchist and I are working on this together. I have let him take the lead since he just seems more calm about this and people are attacking me for it. It is a shock the number of people who do not want us to go after pirate. BA is optimistic however IMO pirate is not going to go down with out a fight, and that means going to the Feds... So, I'm going to have to wait while we do the basic legal stuff that really we should do first anyway. So since this a group effort I will act as a member of a group.

If the bond holders want me to break away and start faster action this will take more money and time and really I will have to have someone in the USA help me.

For right now I think we are in good hands with BA at the helm.

Thanks.

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Quote from: unclescrooge on September 15, 2012, 08:36:35 AM

In the event pirate repays some/all of his debt, will you be able to buy back the bonds?

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unclescrooge

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Hi Chaang,

In the event pirate repays some/all of his debt, will you be able to buy back the bonds? It seems things are progressing finally (from the action of BrightAnarchist, with whom you probable are working).

unclescrooge

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Any updates or any word from Pirate? I'm sure he must be beside himself trying to figure out how to pay everybody back? Cheesy

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Quote from: Nefario on September 09, 2012, 09:43:55 PM

Quote from: imsaguy on September 09, 2012, 09:39:43 PM

Quote from: Nefario on September 09, 2012, 09:20:45 PM

I don't think I would even NEED a lawyer, I mean, even if I agree with whatever they're asking for, I'm not worth anything. Can't get blood from a stone.

That might be true, but that probably won't be true forever.

Yes, at the present time, there is absolutely nothing to gain from suing me or GLBSE. In the future that may change.

Has Vandroiy emptied your escrow yet?

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Quote from: piotr_n on September 09, 2012, 07:24:44 AM

Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on September 09, 2012, 07:22:32 AM

Quote from: piotr_n on September 09, 2012, 07:20:46 AM

Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on September 09, 2012, 07:04:05 AM

Pirate isnt returning anything. He sent all the money to zeekrewards.com

How do you know that?

Its quite obvious if you have been following things.

What sort of argument is that?

IMO you don't know shit @bitcoin.me - and it's been quite obvious for me, because I have been following the things you were posting.
Even my niece knows more than you. And she is 7...

I know enough not to have invested in pirate and then compound my embarrassment by blaming other people for it. The more you whinge about Goat and Nefario the more of a caricature you become.

Tell me where daddy touched you to make you like this.

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Quote from: Nefario on September 09, 2012, 09:43:55 PM

Quote from: imsaguy on September 09, 2012, 09:39:43 PM

Quote from: Nefario on September 09, 2012, 09:20:45 PM

I don't think I would even NEED a lawyer, I mean, even if I agree with whatever they're asking for, I'm not worth anything. Can't get blood from a stone.

That might be true, but that probably won't be true forever.

Yes, at the present time, there is absolutely nothing to gain from suing me or GLBSE. In the future that may change.

I imagine setting up as a formal business makes you a slightly better target. How's that going by the way?

Edit: completely wrong phrasing.

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Quote from: imsaguy on September 09, 2012, 09:39:43 PM

Quote from: Nefario on September 09, 2012, 09:20:45 PM

I don't think I would even NEED a lawyer, I mean, even if I agree with whatever they're asking for, I'm not worth anything. Can't get blood from a stone.

That might be true, but that probably won't be true forever.

Yes, at the present time, there is absolutely nothing to gain from suing me or GLBSE. In the future that may change.

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Quote from: Nefario on September 09, 2012, 09:20:45 PM

I don't think I would even NEED a lawyer, I mean, even if I agree with whatever they're asking for, I'm not worth anything. Can't get blood from a stone.

That might be true, but that probably won't be true forever.

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Quote from: btharper on September 09, 2012, 08:55:04 PM

Quote from: Nefario on September 09, 2012, 08:21:16 PM

I'm sure it would be TOTALLY worth while suing me, I imagine my hat and ocarina collection (both rather small) would be worth....something. Perhaps my phone? Or the nice pair of shoes I've recently bought.

That's just what your lawyer would get in fees for defending you, at least if the legal system in the UK works anything like it does here in the US.

Just imagine all the trinkets lawyers must own, that or they'll all make good friends with pawn shop owners

I don't think I would even NEED a lawyer, I mean, even if I agree with whatever they're asking for, I'm not worth anything. Can't get blood from a stone.

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Quote from: Nefario on September 09, 2012, 08:21:16 PM

I'm sure it would be TOTALLY worth while suing me, I imagine my hat and ocarina collection (both rather small) would be worth....something. Perhaps my phone? Or the nice pair of shoes I've recently bought.

That's just what your lawyer would get in fees for defending you, at least if the legal system in the UK works anything like it does here in the US.

Just imagine all the trinkets lawyers must own, that or they'll all make good friends with pawn shop owners

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Quote from: Nefario on September 09, 2012, 08:33:52 PM

Can't really take down GLBSE, attempts to do so would only result to us moving to a different domain and set of servers.

Glad to hear that!

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Quote from: Jutarul on September 09, 2012, 08:30:21 PM

Quote from: Nefario on September 09, 2012, 08:21:16 PM

I'm sure it would be TOTALLY worth while suing me, I imagine my hat and ocarina collection (both rather small) would be worth....something. Perhaps my phone? Or the nice pair of shoes I've recently bought.

Mmm, better be prepared though. Sometimes these legal folks have a "shoot first and ask later" mentality. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to take down GLBSE for some initial investigation - only to decide later that the request was not justified. Then you'd have to sue them back for the damage the take down did cost you... and everyone else.

Can't really take down GLBSE, attempts to do so would only result to us moving to a different domain and set of servers.

I suppose I've got a couple of pairs of nice sun glasses.

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Quote from: Nefario on September 09, 2012, 08:21:16 PM

I'm sure it would be TOTALLY worth while suing me, I imagine my hat and ocarina collection (both rather small) would be worth....something. Perhaps my phone? Or the nice pair of shoes I've recently bought.

Mmm, better be prepared though. Sometimes these legal folks have a "shoot first and ask later" mentality. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to take down GLBSE for some initial investigation - only to decide later that the request was not justified. Then you'd have to sue them back for the damage the take down did cost you... and everyone else.

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Quote from: Shadow383 on September 09, 2012, 07:45:24 PM

Quote from: btharper on September 09, 2012, 07:24:16 PM

Quote from: piotr_n on September 09, 2012, 05:35:15 AM

Why would I shit myself wathing you doing exactly what I once asked you to do?

So how is it going Goat with you suing Pirate - still planing doing it?
Because I really don't think so - you will be the one who gets sued. You and Nefario.
And you will both end up in jail, so you are definitely the ones who should be shitting themselves now

I'm curious how Nefario would be at fault for this in any way. His system was used for the bonds sure, but he's simply running a service that allows pretty much anyone to sell whatever they've got shares of to sell. At the time PPTs were an investment (of debatable quality, but that's not the point I'm making). So Nefario did what he's good at. Running GLBSE (I imagine most people would be pretty angry if he just shut it down). So all we're left with is that Goat sold more shares of his debt with Pirate and that you think Nefario and Goat are best buddies, the same person, or all part of your tinfoil hat conspiracy (Be careful, Goat's psychic powers can penetrate through aluminum foil, that's how he brainwashed me).

Suing Nefario due to PPT bonds would be like suing the Nasdaq after Enron. Not terribly likely to be succesful...

I'm sure it would be TOTALLY worth while suing me, I imagine my hat and ocarina collection (both rather small) would be worth....something. Perhaps my phone? Or the nice pair of shoes I've recently bought.

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Quote from: btharper on September 09, 2012, 07:24:16 PM

Quote from: piotr_n on September 09, 2012, 05:35:15 AM

Why would I shit myself wathing you doing exactly what I once asked you to do?

So how is it going Goat with you suing Pirate - still planing doing it?
Because I really don't think so - you will be the one who gets sued. You and Nefario.
And you will both end up in jail, so you are definitely the ones who should be shitting themselves now

I'm curious how Nefario would be at fault for this in any way. His system was used for the bonds sure, but he's simply running a service that allows pretty much anyone to sell whatever they've got shares of to sell. At the time PPTs were an investment (of debatable quality, but that's not the point I'm making). So Nefario did what he's good at. Running GLBSE (I imagine most people would be pretty angry if he just shut it down). So all we're left with is that Goat sold more shares of his debt with Pirate and that you think Nefario and Goat are best buddies, the same person, or all part of your tinfoil hat conspiracy (Be careful, Goat's psychic powers can penetrate through aluminum foil, that's how he brainwashed me).

Suing Nefario due to PPT bonds would be like suing the Nasdaq after Enron. Not terribly likely to be succesful...

btharper

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Quote from: Mageant on September 09, 2012, 02:54:24 PM

Quote from: Shadow383 on September 09, 2012, 07:38:37 AM

Quote from: piotr_n on September 09, 2012, 07:24:44 AM

Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on September 09, 2012, 07:22:32 AM

Quote from: piotr_n on September 09, 2012, 07:20:46 AM

Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on September 09, 2012, 07:04:05 AM

Pirate isnt returning anything. He sent all the money to zeekrewards.com

How do you know that?

Its quite obvious if you have been following things.

What sort of argument is that?

IMO you don't know shit @bitcoin.me - and it's been quite obvious for me, because I have been following the things you were posting.
Even my niece knows more than you. And she is 7...

-Zeek rewards ponzi offers 10.5% per week - Pirate claims to be earning 10.5% per week
-Zeek rewards gets shut down August 17th - Pirate folds August 17th
-Trendon's wife has/had zeek rewards affiliate stuff on her twitter, so they at least had knowledge of zeek and probably had some cash in it.

It'd make sense.
Whether that means that pirate investors might see a few percent back (Zeek had $225 million in assets to cover their >$600 million in liabilities, and legal costs will shave off some of that, but zeek rewards creditors may get back some cents on the dollar) is as yet unknown.

It would also explain why Pirate was worried about the BTCUSD price going up too high. If he had been running the ponzi himself the BTCUSD price would have been irrelevant to him.

On the other hand, in the week after August 17th Pirate was still claiming to be able to pay out everything. If all the funds had been in zeekrewards then he should have known that he wouldn't be able to get them out anymore.

My impression is that he was more worried about a sudden spike in BTCUSD price, like if he was repayed $100 to purchase 10BTC@$10USD/BTC and the price suddenly jumped to $12USD/BTC then he'd be short several coins. Not that it matters much now.

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Quote from: piotr_n on September 09, 2012, 05:35:15 AM

Why would I shit myself wathing you doing exactly what I once asked you to do?

So how is it going Goat with you suing Pirate - still planing doing it?
Because I really don't think so - you will be the one who gets sued. You and Nefario.
And you will both end up in jail, so you are definitely the ones who should be shitting themselves now

I'm curious how Nefario would be at fault for this in any way. His system was used for the bonds sure, but he's simply running a service that allows pretty much anyone to sell whatever they've got shares of to sell. At the time PPTs were an investment (of debatable quality, but that's not the point I'm making). So Nefario did what he's good at. Running GLBSE (I imagine most people would be pretty angry if he just shut it down). So all we're left with is that Goat sold more shares of his debt with Pirate and that you think Nefario and Goat are best buddies, the same person, or all part of your tinfoil hat conspiracy (Be careful, Goat's psychic powers can penetrate through aluminum foil, that's how he brainwashed me).

But really I just want you to fuck off with your small pecker and crawl into a hole without internet for the rest of your life.

If you really care so much, Goat said that Theymos has seen his account balance. If you want to publicly out his shameful lying, just take that claim up with Theymos. The dastardly, lying Goat will surely be banned or marked a scammer for lying ways if your fantasy holds up.

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Quote from: Mageant on September 09, 2012, 02:54:24 PM

It would also explain why Pirate was worried about the BTCUSD price going up too high. If he had been running the ponzi himself the BTCUSD price would have been irrelevant to him.

On the other hand, in the week after August 17th Pirate was still claiming to be able to pay out everything. If all the funds had been in zeekrewards then he should have known that he wouldn't be able to get them out anymore.

Pirate has now in IRC today denied knowing anything about Zeek or having any involvement with it.

He has not deviated from his standard course of showing up every once in a while and saying absolutely nothing substantive about payments or even anything meta about why information is restricted.

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Quote from: Shadow383 on September 09, 2012, 07:38:37 AM

Quote from: piotr_n on September 09, 2012, 07:24:44 AM

Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on September 09, 2012, 07:22:32 AM

Quote from: piotr_n on September 09, 2012, 07:20:46 AM

Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on September 09, 2012, 07:04:05 AM

Pirate isnt returning anything. He sent all the money to zeekrewards.com

How do you know that?

Its quite obvious if you have been following things.

What sort of argument is that?

IMO you don't know shit @bitcoin.me - and it's been quite obvious for me, because I have been following the things you were posting.
Even my niece knows more than you. And she is 7...

-Zeek rewards ponzi offers 10.5% per week - Pirate claims to be earning 10.5% per week
-Zeek rewards gets shut down August 17th - Pirate folds August 17th
-Trendon's wife has/had zeek rewards affiliate stuff on her twitter, so they at least had knowledge of zeek and probably had some cash in it.

It'd make sense.
Whether that means that pirate investors might see a few percent back (Zeek had $225 million in assets to cover their >$600 million in liabilities, and legal costs will shave off some of that, but zeek rewards creditors may get back some cents on the dollar) is as yet unknown.

It would also explain why Pirate was worried about the BTCUSD price going up too high. If he had been running the ponzi himself the BTCUSD price would have been irrelevant to him.

On the other hand, in the week after August 17th Pirate was still claiming to be able to pay out everything. If all the funds had been in zeekrewards then he should have known that he wouldn't be able to get them out anymore.

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