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Shadow383

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Quote from: stochastic on September 04, 2012, 07:49:14 PM

Quote from: El Cabron on September 04, 2012, 06:55:22 PM

Quote from: Nefario on September 04, 2012, 06:44:23 PM

Quote from: piotr_n on September 04, 2012, 04:14:25 PM

Quote from: MrTeal on September 04, 2012, 03:49:55 PM

That's pretty awesome. Have you bought anything cool with the interest you've taken out in the last few weeks?

yes, i compunded it back. turning into an even bigger deposit.
isnt that cool? Cheesy

It's really strange, you're a smart kid, like you understand the concepts of cryptography really well, you can do some nifty Chrome plugins etc. and yet you think this, I don't understand, is it like a mental blind spot for you?

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This is public knowledge. There was massive drama about my not giving Nefario my ID cuz he said he was going to give it to the police.

I think you miss-remembered or miss-interpreted something I had said, it's never been my position to give any ID to anyone outside GLBSE and I've said as much. We've gone to great lengths to make it difficult to impossible for law enforcement to make us do so through the use of cryptography.

Also GLBSE will only have to follow AML rules if we're required to register as a financial institution, which would also mean that other regulations apply. All we need comply with is the 1998 data protection act which prevents us giving out our users information.

You said at the time you would make my personal info public if you thought I was a scammer. This was when you were trying to shut down my BTCST account because you thought I was a scammer. It's all public record.

So I did not send you the ID :/

I think you panicked and over reacted but I remember this just fine...

I don't see what the need is for to store the IDs, even if it is encrypted. Check the information then destroy the documents. When I buy a beer they don't keep my ID on file.

When you buy a beer you're not selling a few hundred grand's worth of bonds, either.

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Quote from: El Cabron on September 04, 2012, 06:55:22 PM

Quote from: Nefario on September 04, 2012, 06:44:23 PM

Quote from: piotr_n on September 04, 2012, 04:14:25 PM

Quote from: MrTeal on September 04, 2012, 03:49:55 PM

That's pretty awesome. Have you bought anything cool with the interest you've taken out in the last few weeks?

yes, i compunded it back. turning into an even bigger deposit.
isnt that cool? Cheesy

It's really strange, you're a smart kid, like you understand the concepts of cryptography really well, you can do some nifty Chrome plugins etc. and yet you think this, I don't understand, is it like a mental blind spot for you?

Quote from: ?? on ??

This is public knowledge. There was massive drama about my not giving Nefario my ID cuz he said he was going to give it to the police.

I think you miss-remembered or miss-interpreted something I had said, it's never been my position to give any ID to anyone outside GLBSE and I've said as much. We've gone to great lengths to make it difficult to impossible for law enforcement to make us do so through the use of cryptography.

Also GLBSE will only have to follow AML rules if we're required to register as a financial institution, which would also mean that other regulations apply. All we need comply with is the 1998 data protection act which prevents us giving out our users information.

You said at the time you would make my personal info public if you thought I was a scammer. This was when you were trying to shut down my BTCST account because you thought I was a scammer. It's all public record.

So I did not send you the ID :/

I think you panicked and over reacted but I remember this just fine...

I don't see what the need is for to store the IDs, even if it is encrypted. Check the information then destroy the documents. When I buy a beer they don't keep my ID on file.

El Cabron

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Quote from: Nefario on September 04, 2012, 06:44:23 PM

Quote from: piotr_n on September 04, 2012, 04:14:25 PM

Quote from: MrTeal on September 04, 2012, 03:49:55 PM

That's pretty awesome. Have you bought anything cool with the interest you've taken out in the last few weeks?

yes, i compunded it back. turning into an even bigger deposit.
isnt that cool? Cheesy

It's really strange, you're a smart kid, like you understand the concepts of cryptography really well, you can do some nifty Chrome plugins etc. and yet you think this, I don't understand, is it like a mental blind spot for you?

Quote from: ?? on ??

This is public knowledge. There was massive drama about my not giving Nefario my ID cuz he said he was going to give it to the police.

I think you miss-remembered or miss-interpreted something I had said, it's never been my position to give any ID to anyone outside GLBSE and I've said as much. We've gone to great lengths to make it difficult to impossible for law enforcement to make us do so through the use of cryptography.

Also GLBSE will only have to follow AML rules if we're required to register as a financial institution, which would also mean that other regulations apply. All we need comply with is the 1998 data protection act which prevents us giving out our users information.

You said at the time you would make my personal info public if you thought I was a scammer. This was when you were trying to shut down my BTCST account because you thought I was a scammer. It's all public record.

So I did not send you the ID :/

I think you panicked and over reacted but I remember this just fine...

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Quote from: piotr_n on September 04, 2012, 04:14:25 PM

Quote from: MrTeal on September 04, 2012, 03:49:55 PM

That's pretty awesome. Have you bought anything cool with the interest you've taken out in the last few weeks?

yes, i compunded it back. turning into an even bigger deposit.
isnt that cool? Cheesy

It's really strange, you're a smart kid, like you understand the concepts of cryptography really well, you can do some nifty Chrome plugins etc. and yet you think this, I don't understand, is it like a mental blind spot for you?

Quote from: ?? on ??

This is public knowledge. There was massive drama about my not giving Nefario my ID cuz he said he was going to give it to the police.

I think you miss-remembered or miss-interpreted something I had said, it's never been my position to give any ID to anyone outside GLBSE and I've said as much. We've gone to great lengths to make it difficult to impossible for law enforcement to make us do so through the use of cryptography.

Also GLBSE will only have to follow AML rules if we're required to register as a financial institution, which would also mean that other regulations apply. All we need comply with is the 1998 data protection act which prevents us giving out our users information.

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Quote from: MrTeal on September 04, 2012, 03:49:55 PM

That's pretty awesome. Have you bought anything cool with the interest you've taken out in the last few weeks?

yes, i compunded it back. turning into an even bigger deposit.
isnt that cool? Cheesy

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Quote from: piotr_n on September 04, 2012, 12:33:01 PM

Pirate at least still promises to pay back all the deposits, together with up to date 7%/week interest.
And what does Goat promise?
Nothing!
Goat states that Pirate is an evil person, but it doesn't stop him from selling counterfeited bonds, supposedly backed by a BS&T deposit and it's 7%/week interest...

So I wonder how is he going to calculate the final dividends anyway, since the last ones were paid 3 weeks ago, to 27k bonds, and since then he sold 10+k more bonds...
Don't you wonder it as well?
I mean, my BS&T account still gets weekly interests every week - so the bonds you're holding should get theirs as well...
So I wonder where is he going to take the 3+ weeks compounded interests from, for the extra 10+k bonds that he dumped onto the market for pennies, without even depositing those into BS&T.
He obviously must have a better business than Pirate itself, if he can afford to make such kind of commitments Wink

That's pretty awesome. Have you bought anything cool with the interest you've taken out in the last few weeks?

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Quote from: Tomatocage on September 04, 2012, 12:39:59 PM

Quote from: piotr_n on September 04, 2012, 12:33:01 PM

So I wonder how is he going to calculate the final dividends anyway, since the last ones were 3 seeks ago, to 27k bonds, and since then he sold 10+k more bonds...
Don't you wonder it as well?

I don't wonder at all. Anything multiplied by 0 is still 0. Pirate isn't paying back dick.

Sorry - I don't believe in prophets and even if I did, you wouldn't be a one.

Well, I hope you're right for the sake of people who invested with Pirate.

Shadow383

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Quote from: piotr_n on September 04, 2012, 12:33:01 PM

Quote from: Tomatocage on September 04, 2012, 12:27:16 PM

Quote from: piotr_n on September 04, 2012, 12:01:40 PM

Quote from: nimda on September 04, 2012, 11:52:52 AM

The number is rising. Yep. But your interpretation of the contract is merely a technicality; everyone knows that a better wording might have been "each bond represents 1 BTC of BS&T debt" or whatever. Goat can sell up to 40K and still be able to pay back when pirate does.

Merely a technicality - of course

I'm dying to see if any court would share your opinion.
If pirate does pay out anyone except Goat - oh, it'd just be be such a great show to watch... Cheesy

I don't think that's a scenario we'll have to worry about in the first place.

Pirate at least still promises to pay back all the deposits, together with up to date 7%/week interest.

Oh well that's okay then.

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Quote from: piotr_n on September 04, 2012, 12:33:01 PM

So I wonder how is he going to calculate the final dividends anyway, since the last ones were 3 seeks ago, to 27k bonds, and since then he sold 10+k more bonds...
Don't you wonder it as well?

I don't wonder at all. Anything multiplied by 0 is still 0. Pirate isn't paying back dick.

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Quote from: Tomatocage on September 04, 2012, 12:27:16 PM

Quote from: piotr_n on September 04, 2012, 12:01:40 PM

Quote from: nimda on September 04, 2012, 11:52:52 AM

The number is rising. Yep. But your interpretation of the contract is merely a technicality; everyone knows that a better wording might have been "each bond represents 1 BTC of BS&T debt" or whatever. Goat can sell up to 40K and still be able to pay back when pirate does.

Merely a technicality - of course

I'm dying to see if any court would share your opinion.
If pirate does pay out anyone except Goat - oh, it'd just be be such a great show to watch... Cheesy

I don't think that's a scenario we'll have to worry about in the first place.

Pirate at least still promises to pay back all the deposits, together with up to date 7%/week interest.
And what does Goat promise?
Nothing!
Goat states that Pirate is an evil person, but it doesn't stop him from selling counterfeited bonds, supposedly backed by a BS&T deposit and it's 7%/week interest...

So I wonder how is he going to calculate the final dividends anyway, since the last ones were paid 3 weeks ago, to 27k bonds, and since then he sold 10+k more bonds...
Don't you wonder it as well?
I mean, my BS&T account still gets weekly interests every week - so the bonds you're holding should get theirs as well...
So I wonder where is he going to take the 3+ weeks compounded interests from, for the extra 10+k bonds that he dumped onto the market for pennies, without even depositing those into BS&T.
He obviously must have a better business than Pirate itself, if he can afford to make such kind of commitments Wink

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Quote from: piotr_n on September 04, 2012, 12:01:40 PM

Quote from: nimda on September 04, 2012, 11:52:52 AM

The number is rising. Yep. But your interpretation of the contract is merely a technicality; everyone knows that a better wording might have been "each bond represents 1 BTC of BS&T debt" or whatever. Goat can sell up to 40K and still be able to pay back when pirate does.

Merely a technicality - of course

I'm dying to see if any court would share your opinion.
If pirate does pay out anyone except Goat - oh, it'd just be be such a great show to watch... Cheesy

I don't think that's a scenario we'll have to worry about in the first place.

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Quote from: nimda on September 04, 2012, 11:52:52 AM

The number is rising. Yep. But your interpretation of the contract is merely a technicality; everyone knows that a better wording might have been "each bond represents 1 BTC of BS&T debt" or whatever. Goat can sell up to 40K and still be able to pay back when pirate does.

Merely a technicality - of course

I'm dying to see if any court would share your opinion.
If pirate does pay out anyone except Goat - oh, it'd just be be such a great show to watch... Cheesy

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Quote from: piotr_n on September 04, 2012, 11:35:24 AM

Quote from: JoelKatz on September 04, 2012, 11:23:12 AM

Quote from: piotr_n on September 04, 2012, 11:11:40 AM

Pirate would likely also go to jail, if he broke any law with a serious punishment - but so far, I haven't seen he did...

You live in an interesting fantasy world. I'd love to hear your explanation for why Pirate was making 100% payouts, including exorbitant interest rates, to everyone lucky enough to request a payout and then suddenly stopped paying out any funds at all without making any disclosure of the total assets and obligations the funds had. You also might want to read 15 USC 45(a)(1) and 11 USC 548(a)(1)(A).

I can answer you, what I think about it, but it would have nothing to do with the topic and BadBear had explicitly forbidden me to get this topic off topic.
So, if you want, start another topic with this question - there it will be legal for me to answer.

Back on topic, now there are 38338 active shares - which means that since the last dividend payment Goat and Nefario sold far over 10k bonds - each of which they promise to be worth 1BTC + divs, if Pirate does pay out.
Still doesn't ring a bell?
Still you think that "Goat has done nothing wrong"?
If so, then you are so fucking morons

The number is rising. Yep. But your interpretation of the contract is merely a technicality; everyone knows that a better wording might have been "each bond represents 1 BTC of BS&T debt" or whatever. Goat can sell up to 40K and still be able to pay back when pirate does.

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Quote from: JoelKatz on September 04, 2012, 11:23:12 AM

Quote from: piotr_n on September 04, 2012, 11:11:40 AM

Pirate would likely also go to jail, if he broke any law with a serious punishment - but so far, I haven't seen he did...

You live in an interesting fantasy world. I'd love to hear your explanation for why Pirate was making 100% payouts, including exorbitant interest rates, to everyone lucky enough to request a payout and then suddenly stopped paying out any funds at all without making any disclosure of the total assets and obligations the funds had. You also might want to read 15 USC 45(a)(1) and 11 USC 548(a)(1)(A).

I can answer you, what I think about it, but it would have nothing to do with the topic and BadBear had explicitly forbidden me to get this topic off topic.
So, if you want, start another topic with this question - there it will be legal for me to answer.

Back on topic, now there are 38338 active shares - which means that since the last dividend payment Goat and Nefario sold far over 10k bonds - each of which they promise to be worth 1BTC + divs, if Pirate does pay out.
Still doesn't ring a bell?
Still you think that "Goat has done nothing wrong"?
If so, then you are so fucking morons

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Quote from: piotr_n on September 04, 2012, 11:11:40 AM

Pirate would likely also go to jail, if he broke any law with a serious punishment - but so far, I haven't seen he did...

You live in an interesting fantasy world. I'd love to hear your explanation for why Pirate was making 100% payouts, including exorbitant interest rates, to everyone lucky enough to request a payout and then suddenly stopped paying out any funds at all without making any disclosure of the total assets and obligations the funds had. You also might want to read 15 USC 45(a)(1) and 11 USC 548(a)(1)(A).

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Quote from: piotr_n on September 04, 2012, 11:11:40 AM

Quote from: Tomatocage on September 04, 2012, 11:06:29 AM

You sound like you think that Pirate fully intends to pay people back, but Goat and Nefario are standing in the way of it. You're either delusional, stupid, or a sock puppet of Pirates. Or all of the above.

Whether Pirate intends to pay people back, or not - it has nothing to do with Goat and Nefario committing their crimes, like selling TYGRR.BOND-P bonds against the contract.
Pirate would likely also go to jail, if he broke any law with a serious punishment - but so far, I haven't seen he did...

There's bigger fish to fry.

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Quote from: MoPac on September 04, 2012, 11:07:57 AM

Quote from: Tomatocage on September 04, 2012, 11:05:06 AM

Because Pirate40 is very concerned about people getting paid back fairly Roll Eyes

I'm not saying that the issue isn't BS in terms of how it is apparently being used by Pirate, just that Goat seems comfortable having a legal record that involves his identity and his management of TyGrr.Bond-P. So I'm just trying to understand the root of his not wanting to do AML ID with GLBSE.

Sorry, I wasn't targeting your reply specifically. It's just this whole deal about Pirate suddenly needing IDs (or at least pairing of BTCST account with forum name) is complete horse shit IMHO. Like he's REALLY that concerned about people getting their fair share hahahah laughable at best.

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Quote from: Tomatocage on September 04, 2012, 11:06:29 AM

You sound like you think that Pirate fully intends to pay people back, but Goat and Nefario are standing in the way of it. You're either delusional, stupid, or a sock puppet of Pirates. Or all of the above.

Whether Pirate intends to pay people back, or not - it has nothing to do with Goat and Nefario committing their crimes, like selling/buying TYGRR.BOND-P bonds against the contract or performing IPO at his "Stock Exchange", even without checking the guy's ID. Not to mention details like stock broker licences and other shit like that, hugely required in both; UK and EU. And I'm sure also wherever Goat lives.. though I know it's somewhere in Asia so the punishments and prisons there are probably even worse...

Pirate?
He would likely also go to jail, if he broke any law with a serious punishment - but so far, I haven't seen he would...

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Quote from: Tomatocage on September 04, 2012, 11:05:06 AM

Because Pirate40 is very concerned about people getting paid back fairly Roll Eyes

I'm not saying that the issue isn't BS in terms of how it is apparently being used by Pirate, just that Goat seems comfortable having a legal record that involves his identity and his management of TyGrr.Bond-P. So I'm just trying to understand the root of his not wanting to do AML ID with GLBSE.

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Quote from: piotr_n on September 04, 2012, 10:38:48 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

But troll away p4man... Please troll away...

Yeah. Welcome to the trolling club, p4man!

If you care about my opinion, Goat doesn't disclose his ID, because he wants to avoid having his ass kicked by the people he has screwed over.

And you @Goat, don't pretend that Nefario isn't your lying bitch - since I know very well that he is...
You are counterfeiting bonds and selling them, while Nefario is consciously allowing you to do so, after he had authorized your illegal IPO - these are serious crimes, in basically every country, so you both will likely end up in jail! Remember the words of the troll.

You sound like you think that Pirate fully intends to pay people back, but Goat and Nefario are standing in the way of it. You're either delusional, stupid, or a sock puppet of Pirates. Or all of the above.

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