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Pata ni hum apnay app ko dhokkha day rahay hein ya kis ko dhokaa day rahaey hein ?

Agar crypto halal hi ni hay tu phir tu hum sab haram aktha kr rahay hein. Let's leave crypto and wait until koi Ulma sahi fatwa day phelay.

Lekin ni, hum crypto ko legal sumjhee hein, halal sumjhtee hein ais leiy we keep on accumulating and working on crypto. (by the way crypoto halal hay) but zakat denay kay time we say k fatwaa ni hay tu zakat kion deein ya zakat ni hogi.  Ajeeb sooch hay humarai.


Aik aurat jab parda kerti hay tu woh society ko choor k apnay Allah ko razi kerti hay aur ais c achi koi baat ni.

How could you say that is expensive?
If you buy one abaya or scarf...
So it can be used for five to six years easily...
It is not expensive...

And we know what we are?
Or y b janti hen k kese ayyash mardon ki gandi nazron s bachna h...
Or rahi bt other stuff ki to wo b uss ko kabhi kabhi zrurat parti h.. agar wo waqe hu baa haya larki h to... Or I know better then you k what is expensive or what is not?

Here are the two more silent messages...

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Nai nai ap thora jaldi fesla kar gye...
M n waqe hi sai bt ki h...
Agar orat baa haya h...
To wo other stuff b uss hisab s hi khareedy gi...
Or fashion industry jin chizon ki zyada numaish karti h... Ap sb khub janty hen... To lanat to parti h... Un k stuff par b un k pese par b...

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M n yhi bt ki h k kherat hi hogi...
Niyyat Zakat ki hogi to Allah ki rehmat par kiss kaa zor h kaya pata wo Zakat kaa hi swab dy dy...
Ap shayad muamly hi hassasyat ko nai smj rahy...

Asal m hm abhi issi kash mkash s nai nikly k crypto b halal h k haram... Agar 10 Ulma khty hen k Halal h to 20 Haram b khty hen...
Or baqaida fatwa nai mojud kissi b darulifta kaa... Agar h to plz share ki jiye gaa mjy nai mila abhi tak...
Issi waja s is par abhi zakat nai nikly gi...
Sirf issi liye kaha k zakat ki niyyatbs diya jaye to kaya pata Allah swab b dy dy nai to kherat kaa swab to mily gaa hi naa...

Shahzad bhai issi par to zor daal rahy hen k crypto assets par koi fatwa nai h... Issi liye iss par zakat nai hogi... Am I right Shahzadafzal?

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Or meri traf s b Sab Ko Pakistan Resolution Day Mubarak ho.

I don't have any fatwa or quotes by scholars but sometimes things are very clear aur han whatever I told above is my opinion. I have converted all my wealth and savings in crypto as i don't believe or trust in fiat anymore and I don't feel comfortable that i keep waiting for the fatwas  



All the coins (Bitcoins, ethereum, ada, dot, etc) are currencies and not assets. So even if you have no plan of selling them, the zakat is still valid on them if it reaches the zakat amount. And also if you say how to calculate is up to us, this may lead to under calculation as per human nature.



NFT is not a currency, it can be called a crypto asset and it will be treated like other assets. If you have no plan to sell NFT, then there is no zakat on it but if you bought NFT to sell it at a higher price, then you should give zakat on its base price (buying price) if one year has passed on it. In this case, NFT is your Maal-E-Tejarat.



Here, which assets you are referring to be Haram? NFTs are not haram by the way.


Ap jitni marzi nafal namazien perth lein, agar farz namaz ni perthi tu aus ka poocha jeiy ga.


Zakat kay liey Zakat ki niyat hona zaroori hay. Zakat aik farz ibadat hay , agar app nay kherat ki niyat c madad ki, tu woh kheriat ka swab tu mil joeiy ga, zakat rah jeiy gi.  

Happy Pakistan Day to everyone

Salam to everyone sab se pehle tu koi personal nahi ham sab aik dosray ki respect karte hian aur sab ka apna political aur Islamic apna point of view ho sakta hai jis ki ham sab respect karin ge. I'm very open to almost any discussion aur mere tu yehi nazriya hia discussion karni chahiye bus ahtraam k daairay main reh kar. Aur aik baat zehn main rakhin jab ap internet pe apna koi point of view dein get u sawal he paida nahi hota uska counter point nah aaey tu us k liey apna dil open rakhin agaly ki baat sunlain aur zahir hai karin wohi jo apka acha lagta hai.

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Ye bro ye masla hai hamaray thread ka but koi nahi new new hian na bahoot saray tu sekhne main time laga ga.

Happy Day to you too.

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Yehi tu masla hia yar... ab dekhin na dunia Africa Gold and Diamond ka bahoot bara producer but unfortunately is ka unhin kitna faida hota hia ye ye aate main nimak k braber hai. Bilkul kahin Musharaf k zamane bat chal rahi hia  Reko diq nah hogia masla Kashmir hogia anyway ye aik misal nahi hamari tareekh Ma Sha Allah aise mansoobon se bhari pari hia... Kalabagh Dam Noor ne point out kia tha wo bhi isi ki nazar hogia hia.

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"baat tu ap ki bhi thaik hai"!!!!... actually i don't think Noor ka ya jiss ne bhi ye statement di hai us ka reality main fashion industry pe laanat bhaijane ka koi irada, balke simple words main parday ki khobsorati ko ujagar karna hia. We have seen India main aurton ko kese scraf or prday ki waja se dabaya ja raha hia. agar mazee simple alfaaz main kahin tu kia ham ye keh sakte hian "jab aurat parda karti hai tu wo fashion industry pe lanat bhaijati hia".... bus bech main se 170 billion nikal dia hia

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Noor Ma Sha Allah ap ne acha explain kia aur beshak zakat ka maksaq he yehi hia agar ham musalmaan iman daari se zakat daina tu Pakistan main zakat laine wala nah rahay. Sirf Karachi ki zakat ini hogi ham ye tax or saud walay chakar main nah parna paray.

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Yes Sayed bhai this year's celebration is already one of the biggest since OIC Members and most of them will likely attend the ceremony.

Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Muhammad Bin Salman to be Chief Guest on Pakistan Day Parade 2022. Foreign Ministers of OIC countries to also participate. Parade will be largest ever held, as this year Pakistan completes 75 years of Independence




https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-day-parade-2022.733778/#:~:text=%20Jan%2022%2C%202022.%20%231.%20Unconfirm%20news.%20Crown,this%20year%20Pakistan%20completes%2075%20years%20of%20Independence.?msclkid=0b1ee6dfaa5311ecbdf47902be7bda7f

Ya Allah...
Yahan to sary hi mufti hen...
Ab ajiz kuch khti h... Agar to kissi ko psand aye to maan ly... Nai to b uss ki marzi...

Just go for first?
What do you think ?
What is Zakat?
Is ka maqsad kaya h??
Asal m islam iss chz ko hm par lagu q? Karta h??
Smj to ap sab hi gye hn gy..

But let me explain... Agar smja pai to??
Zakat kaa asal maqsad Logon m brabri k huquq peda karna h...
Asal m y btana h k kissi ameer ko ghareeb par foqyat nai...
Issi liye ameer ko apny maal m s kuch hissa Allah ki rah m dene k liye kaha gaya... Allah ki rah m ... Ab Allah ko zrurat to h nai... Kaya mtlab is kaa... Is kaa mtlab h uss k bandon ko do...
Ab thora aagy chalen... Sab s phly kaha Fuqra o Masakeen m apny rishty daron m zakat do... Islam ki chashni dekhen... Q? Kaha gaya k phly apny rishty daron ko den... Sirf iss liye k brabri ho... Ameer khud chal k uss k ghar jaa k uss ko zakat dy... Iss liye k agar sara khandan uss s narfat karta h uss ki ghareebi ki waja s to sab ameer us k ghar jaen... Ta k koi faraq naa reh jaye... Iss bt karny ka maqsad nichy btaya h...

Ab zara Musarfi-ne- Zakat par ik nazar...



Agar ap log sab kahen gy k in 8 logon ki details b den to wo b dy skti hun... Par abhi post thori lambi ho jaye gi...

Acha akhir par asal muddy ki traf aun...

Behas y chal rahi h... K kaya crypto par Zakat lagu hoti h k nai?
G to iss par abhi koi fatwa Pakistan m mojud nai... Uss ki waja sirf y h k Pakistan m abhi crypto illegal hi mani jati h...

Hm n sirf apna mind bnaya huwa h k crypto agar wese dekha jaye to haram nai h... Baqi fatwa koi mojud nai...

Ab asal bt... Upar jo m n bt ki uss kaa mqsad kaya h...
Ab agar Allah pak hmen koi thori c earning ka zarya dy raha h to q? Naa uss m s kuch hissa nikal k ghurba m diya jaye...
Q? K asal maqsad to brabri dena h... Or muflsi khatm karna h... Zruri nai k Zakat ki niyyat ho... Khuda tarsi s b d jaa skti h... Ap wese hi 2.5% nikalen or uss ko kherat kar den...
Allah ki rah m hi gaya h naa... Allah qubul kar ly gaa...
Allah or barkat b daal dy gaa...
Ap Zakat k asal maqsad ko dekhty huwe uss ko pura kar den... Or asal maqsad m bayan kar chuki...

Or ik zruri bt..
Jitna behas karen gy... Shetan utna uljhaye gaa... Iss liye bachen...

Bhtr yhi h k kherat kar den... Allah ap sab ko jaza dy..

Koshish to puri ki jo dill m tha kaha... Ab pata nai sai s smja ski hun k nai...

Kaha suna muaf ki jiye ga..

You are wrong. The abbaaya and the scarf and other accessories are more expensive than normal stuff women purchase. The industry is thriving and you have no idea how much money they are earning. Let's not be judgmental and live and let live. At the end everyone will lie in their own grave and will give hisab of their own Amal. Save time and save yourself from unnecessary judgements.  

Recently a news was flashed and that is that RikoDik deal has been signed again. This time, its 50/50 partnership in profit. 50% will go to Pak and 50% will go to the mining company.
Is it fair ? i thought that giving 50% of gold is too much. Its like giving trillions of dollar to the company. A whole country is just getting 50% and a company is given 50%. Though we got trapped as there was a big penalty but still then there were some good options that they could had opted.

1. a deal, where the company could get 50% profit in the first 2,3 or may be 5 years to cover their loss of 11 billion and after those 5 years , the deal should had been 80/20 in Pakistan favor.

2. a deal with another company to pay the 11 billion dollars on spot and then they would be allowed to take profit for like 5 years so as cover the 11 billion and some profit on it and then after that all the profit could be shared 80/20 or 90/10

3. shud had paid the 11 billions directly from some friend and could had paid to that country in installments though the mining of that gold in some years.

But giving them 50% share is too much. its really is too much if you know that this could be the largest gold and copper mine in the world. I sometimes feel angry on the politicians and bureaucrats who trapped Pakistan in this deal in the first place in 2005 i think.  

Why Everyone posts here a big banner? isn't there any way to crop it a bit so that it is seen and read properly without scrolling.
IK is in trouble though - His last statement was not liked by Armed Forces. But I still support IK.
Happy Pakistan Day to every Pakistani - hope you are celebrating today!

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agree my dear it's not an excuses, didn't I repeat it's up to you.

What scenario you have given it's your point of view isn't it? Or are you giving fatwa? or are you quoting any Islamic scholar?

again yes you will calculate zakat on your "crypto assets" since those are your investments and you have plans to sale it but how you will calculate its up to you.

Now If I ask let suppose I own an NFT a tweet from jack, I own it no plan to sale it, is zakat due on this? and how much?

Remember

First of all, we need to know that Crypto is just another form of currency, that's why we say cryptocurrecny. It is not gold, not a precious metal, not livestock etc, it is only new form of money.

Now first take the example of fiat money. You have Rs and Dollars. Now its up to you that you convert rs into dollars  and pay zakat in dollars or convert dollars into rs and pay zakat in rs. OR you can calculate dollars holdings and pay zakat in dollar separately, while calculate rs holdings and pay zakat in rs separately.

Now, if you do not want to convert bitcoin into dollars, because 1 btc is 1 btc then if you have 1 btc, you can detect 0.25% of the amount from your btc and crypto holding and pay that amount as a zakat.  So now we don't need to convert. Also, same should be done with USDT and other coins also.

Finally, isn't it strange that when you need to send money to someone in crypto or buy anything online in crypto, you calculate it in dollars and then send the particular amount in bitcoins.  but when it comes to calculation for zakat we make excuses of 1 btc = 1 btc .

Well i didn't say you don't have to give zakat on crypto. I said how you will calculate zakat on this? For example we pay Zakat on agricultural goods, precious metals, minerals, and livestock at a rate varying between her aik pe kitni zakat hia alag se clearly defined hia Islam main and it is depending on the type of goods. How will you decide for bitcoin?  That's what intrinsic value means. I hope you got the point.

You must have heard 1btc=1btc calculating bitcoin in $ is illogical from crypto point of view also.

That's also the main reason you will not find any fatwa from a known scholar regarding bitcoin.

Yes we can simplify and calculate based on Gold if you have btc equal to 85gram of gold equal to dollars. Another question will be will you deduct the fees? since we don't have this asset in $ and again we will pay zakat in our local currency. Right.

I mean I don't want to argue but again this is between you and Allah and you can decide what you feel best.



Yes there's difference of opinion, "The Hanafis are of the view that it is obligatory to pay zakaah on it, but the majority of Maalikis, Shaafa’is and Hanbalis are of the view that it is not obligatory to pay zakaah on it." Since in Pakistan mostly we are hanfi that what we follow. But in Arab world including Saudi Arabia and many Africans countries it's not obligatory to give zakat on the jewelry woman using for herself.



Now if we are following Hanifs we will pay zakat but like you said difference of opinion is there among the scholars and Allah knows the best.

I am totally failed to understand what do you mean by intrinsic value and how can you say k we don't give zakat on crypto or give zakat based on original investment? Same goes for dollar. Agar dollar app kay pass Rs 100 ka hay tu u will not calculate Rs 100 in 2022. You will calculate it as Rs180

App nay gold 20 years phelay buy kia hay tu app 20 year old wali price  ni lein gay bilkay current price lein gay.
App nay agar plot / house selling kay liey is hay tu purchase price ni lein gay, current price calculate kr k zakat dein gay.
Similiary agar app nay  bitcoins 20,000$ kay buy kiey hein 2017 mein tu 2022 mein jo rate hay 40,000$ kay hisab c calculate hoga.
Mutlab kay agar app 1st ramazan ko calculate kertay hein tu 1st ramadan ko Rupees, bitcoin, crypto, dollar, plot, gold aur silver ki jo bhi value hogi, aus kay mutabiq zakat bunay gii.




There is a difference of opinion here but I think Gold chayee use mein ho ya na hho, aus p zakat deni perthi hay, bilkay dena chayee.

Nice going for $BTC as the Bullish is full control. Stay tune for more Updates.



Source: https://twitter.com/CryptoFaibik/status/1506126279027961856

Mashallah Kya khob Kaha

Oh ho ho impressed! Ma Sha Allah tusin great o!


Hero tu ye hai so called he sahi but mehnat ab koi rang shang nahi laai wese. Al though its a good video but I suspect the more I watched the video the more I realized it looks like a self-promotion. I don't know but I felt it.

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I agree to your this pro 2 point yes he's doing his best to make it legal and taking $10 for awareness I think it's not a Pros but con.

All the cons are 100% true and I agree with you but sab batoan ki aik baat "andhon main kaana raja" jab hamary pass aur hai he koi nahi tu phir yehi hamara hero bhi aur yehi zero bhi

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Thank you Umer bro for sharing and reminding us about zakat.

Yes Sayed bhai mera point of view bhi same he hai regarding crypto currencies or bitcoin one can ask "does bitcoin have intrinsic value?" the short and simper answer will be NO. So how you calculate zakat on something what does not have a intrinsic value?

Well this has been in discussion among many Muslims and scholars still unable to give any "fatwa" regarding Bitcoin/Crypto currencies. Since there is no clear fatwa or any Islamic scholar of any faith now it's upto you what you decide for yourself and this matter will be between you and Allah. and may Allah forgive us for any wrong doing we did knowingly or unknowingly. Aaameen

As a precautionary I will suggest at least give zakat based on your original investment.

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Thank you MFahad brother for such detailed explaination.

Regarding the year term ap bilkul sahi zakat foran wajib ho jati hai jese he saal pora ho.  hamaray han jo concept hia ramzan main he zakat dene ka ye sirf hamari sahulat k liye tak ham easily hisab rakh sakain apne properties aur zakat ka maksaq Allah k diye hoey maal main se ghareeb aur haqdaaq ko daina ab agar ham ye time pe dein tu pora sal kisi na kisi ghareeb ko uska haq milta rahay ga... magar kion k poray Pakistan main zakat sirf ramdan main nikali jati tu tu aik kisam se ye saray saal ka silsila simat kar ramdan main aa jata hia .

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regarding property Ma Sha Allah very happy to see we all are aware. I will just add anything under you daily use "jo bhi zeristemal chezin hain" us pe zakat wajib nahi. This includes even gold. For example ap k pass kuch gold hai aur ap daily wear karti hian jese chorian, locket, bracelet any thing, us pe bhi zakat wajib nahi beshak wo nisab se zaida ho. Likan kion k ye bahoot he bahoot he sensitive issue hai aur ham Pakistani ka gold hamisha he investment ki niyat se hota hai tu zahir hia hamin zakat deni paray gi. aur wese bhi hamari aurtain gold ko sambhal sambhal k rakhin thin tu wo kisi sorat daily wear main count nahi ho sakta.

Same applies to your property, apka ghar apki gari waghaira us pe zakat nahi wajib nahi

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yes dear it is a positive news you can say but I don't this news is the reason but this pump. Because Malaysia is a very small market I don't think their market can effect the price of bitcoin/crypto currencies internationally.

Well, Big news. This news made btc able to break resistance market sentiments are Bullish.
In the coming days Ela selva, 1 Billion BTC bonds will be Sold very soon a date was extended i think so, whenever this news will be in-market the market can take an upto 20% upward movement may be.

One more thing Luna made some changes in its UST minting system where when 1 UST minted
 1$ worth of Luna are burned but now 60% will be burned and 40% will goes to buy BTC.
Luna aims to 10Billion BTC buy for UST reserve in a critical situation.

Market is bullish this week may be market may hit 45K soon

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Well Binance community is too big to join Launchpad tokens for profit booking. But you can try luck on OKX they introduced JUMPPADs same as Launchpads they successfully launched their first Project may be Profitable for us in the future as well if we join.
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Yaha par kuch sathio ne Zakaat k baare ma kuch masle bian kiye. Umar idrees sahib ne bhot acha jawab diya. Yaha par ma aona knowledge b Share krna chahta ho.

Zakaat k baare ma bunyadi bath ye k ha

zakaat kis par wajib ha


Har muslman,Aaqil,Baligh jb us k pas utna paisa aa jae jo zakaat ki nissab ko pohnch jae aur saal guzar jae.

Nisaab
Zakaat ka nisaab 7 1/2 tola sona ya 52 1/2 tola chandi ya etne miqdaar ma maal ho.

Asal nisaab sona aur chandi ha. Aur har zamane ma chon k qeemat badalti rehte ha kehaza sone aur chandi ma jis ki qeemat km honge wohi nisaab shumar hoga

Maslan 52 1/2 tola chandi ki qeemat 75k ha ajkal taqreban Aur 7 1/2 ki qeemat 7 lakh+ tho hisaab chandi ka higa aur 1 tola sona par b zakaat wajib higa

Agr kal ko chandinki qeemat 3 lakh aur sone ki qeemat 2 lak ho tho hisaab chandi ka lagaya jaega

Mukhtasar ye k jis ki qeemat km ho usi ka hisaab higa. Esi ma ghareebo ka faida ha.

Note: zakaat 5 cheezo par wajib hotha ha
1: Sona 2: Chandi 3: Naqd maal 4: zrorat se zaid samaan 5: karOborY samaan
Jb zakaat nekala jae tho en tamam cheezo ki qeemat ko jama kiya jae aur qarz ko us se minus kiya jae.

Karobar aur dukan ma sirf us maal pe zakaat Hoga jo sell K liye ho. Machines jis se maal bnta ho ya shop par zakaat na hoga.

http://Kb Wajib ha:
Jb saal pora hi jae thb zakaat dina farz ha maut se pehle mgr jaldi krna behter ha.

Note: ye bath smaj le k jis din ap k pas etna maal aa gia k us ki qeemat nisaab ko pohnch gai wo date note krna lazmi ha. Ye date poori umar k liye apka zakaat date hogia.
Es date ko islami date ma convert kre.
Ab jb b ye islami date ae tho ap ne apne tamam Nisaab k hisaab Krna ha aur 2.5% hisa dina ha.

Agr kisi ko date yad nhe tho wo poori koshish kre k thareekh yad kre agr belkul pata na chalta ho tho mahina yad kre ayr mahine ki koi tareekh khud muntakhab farmae.
Agr mahine ka b pata na chle tho per koi b tareekh muntakhab kre mgr note kr le q k Esi din hee tamam hisaab lagana higa.

Maslan apka date 12 jan 2021 aisa date tha k ao k pas nisaab poora hwa tha tho ap ne esko islami date ma convert krna ha maslan 6 Rajab bna tho agle saal 6 rajab ko apne tamam samaan k hisaab lagana ha.

Agr kisi k pas 5 rajab ko 20k Rupees the only mgr 6 Rajab ko 10 Btc agae tho per zakaat 10 btc ka lagaya jaega.

Esi tarah agr kisi pas 5 rajab ko 500 Btc the mgr 5 rajab he ko km ho k 20k only rehgae tho zakaat wajib na hoga.


Note: Saal guzarne ka matlb ye nhe k usi maal par saal guzar jae balke matlb ye saal guzarne k bad usi tareekh ko dikha jaega k ap k pas nisaab pora ha ya nhe

Ada kb krna ha.
Jaise he Wajib ho us waqt ad kre tho behter ha Ramzan thk wait zrori nhe. Ha ramzan ma sawaab ziada ha.
Agar kisi ne 5 saal ka zakaat ada nhe kiya tho sb saalo ka zakaaat ada krna zrori ha maut se pehle. aur hisaab hr saal ka agr sona tho jis saal wajib hwa rhe usi hisaab se lagaya jaega.


Aur kis ko dina ha

Wese tho 8 marig quran ma bian hi chke ha. Mgr mukhhtasAr ye k hr wo shaks jo khud nisaab ka malik na ho aur musalan hi de sakte ha. Bhai ya behen ko zakaat de sakte ha agr ghareeb ho ya qrz .
Baap,Dada,maa,nani aur aulaad ko nhe de sakte. Masjid ma nhe de sakte q k maalik bnana shart ha ha madrassa ma de
sakte ha

Sawaab
Porri dunya ka maal sadqa kro , zakaat k 1 rupe k sawaab se km ha es liye jO zakaat farz ha aur farz thk koi ibadat nhe oihnch skati jo nafli ho.