My personal opinion is this coin has a long future ahead, and forking is sort of admitting defeat.
wolong may have forsaken all, but it will take a lot to get me to change the logo. What is trust in krypto anyway? The logo sends a strong message, trust no one, only yourself.
Markets crash, but it's the community of this coin and the anti-community that will decide it's value. However now that wolong has left us all, I don't see the purpose of protesting him any longer.
Also don't forget the devs are still recovering from not only the launch, setting everything up, and now dealing with everyone crying and even more trolls all day long. I wish people would have some mercy with all the people that are helping to keep PANDA alive.
Also a reminder not to trust any wallets except from: http://www.thepandacoin.com
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February 23, 2014, 06:14:02 PM
February 23, 2014, 05:55:20 PM
If forking means that I am not going to lost the coins I have bought at a high price, then I am in for it. At this rate, I have lost more than 15 BTC because of this dump.
February 23, 2014, 05:39:20 PM
I am serious about this. My team would be offering to give this coin to the community and we would not have a premine cause we would fork the chain. No Wolong and no one else would have premines but all mined stuff after would be good. 
Don't you understand yet? They don't give a shit. They want to be able to drop their premine on the last sucker. They won't give it up.You're occulting the fact that the "team" only consists of immature egomaniacs whose intelligence is average at best.
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The could also show the community they are not totally in this for the $$$.
Sure. Fits their profile perfectly, does it not? I mean… Errr…
February 23, 2014, 04:40:58 PM
I am serious about this. My team would be offering to give this coin to the community and we would not have a premine cause we would fork the chain. No Wolong and no one else would have premines but all mined stuff after would be good.
Don't you understand yet? They don't give a shit. They want to be able to drop their premine on the last sucker. They won't give it up. February 23, 2014, 03:13:41 PM
The forking is the last thing the coin needs, at least those trapped can still get something right now. Would be cruel, IMO.
February 23, 2014, 02:47:46 PM
I would say: go for the fork and get rid of wolong!
February 23, 2014, 02:36:03 PM
I am serious about this. My team would be offering to give this coin to the community and we would not have a premine cause we would fork the chain. No Wolong and no one else would have premines but all mined stuff after would be good.
Don't you understand yet? They don't give a shit. They want to be able to drop their premine on the last sucker. They won't give it up. February 23, 2014, 02:22:17 PM
I am serious about this. My team would be offering to give this coin to the community and we would not have a premine cause we would fork the chain. No Wolong and no one else would have premines but all mined stuff after would be good.
February 23, 2014, 01:52:52 PM
I have some friends that do coins and have made good coins before. If admins are willing we would be willing to take over the coin and fork the blockchain so the premines are gone but everything after is still available. Let me know if you guys are interested in offer.
February 23, 2014, 01:16:41 PM
I'm not want to post on message boards, however I feel compelled state my opinion on what I see going on here. Most people are are going to hate what I have to say, but F them they are the sheeple that are bitching about getting scammed.
So here we go....
If you are "investing" cash you can't afford to lose in an alt-crypto currencies, you are a moron. If you don't realize that the whole crypto currency is the new "Wild West" (USA slang reference) you are also a moron. I have no problem when stupid people do stupid things and get crushed, learn from your mistakes. I've traded futures and commodities for 16 years professionally as an exchange member, I learned what to do by learning what not to do. The pain of losing money is a great teacher. However, most people are to weak to learn from the pain and just quit. If you want to ever really make money trading anything, you need to realize losses are inevitable, and you need to take your losses when you plan isn't playing out.
I wasn't going to mine this coin because it premise was retarded, "backed by Wolong" Who the fuck is Wolong? I looked him up and he is some "Asian Crypto Currency Sage"(sarcasm inserted). Ok, after finding that out I thought... I want to mine this knowing this is going to be a pump and dump, especially after with all the hype that was coming around the launch date. I was only made aware of this coin cause I was mining VRT, and another VRT miner told me about it. So Mined the coin from the get go and 24hrs after. I mined around 37million coins and sold up from 45 all the way to 98, my volume weighted average sell was 72. This was my plan, be out within 2 days, max. Sooner if the market takes me out at prices.
What I see on these boards are a lot of people who want to be "crypto currency traders" and a lot of people looking to get rich quick, but don't have a clue what they are doing or how markets work. It's like the poker saying, "If you sit down at the table and can't spot who the sucker is, it's you". So to all the suckers you bought my coins from me, thank you and please learn from your mistakes and review your logic for buying this coin at the prices you did. Don't ever put your money at risk because someone else gives you a tip, consider who they are and what there angle is.
My final thoughts are this... my miners are back on this coin and I'm using 20% of what I made from this coin to buy it back (my plan is risk 20% of what I made from this coin to buy it back knowing it could be worthless, but if it works the rewards are worth the risk) I've been buying below 5 sats and have bids in from 4 down to 1. My premiss is probably 2/3 the coins are now controlled by less then 10 people. It may take few more days to get the weak hands out and absorb what the other miners are selling, but I don't think the other big stake holders are are looking to for a few statoshi's on their positions.
Lastly, everyone says this coin is dead fuck it. But I guarantee if this coin does move back up everyone denouncing it will come back and mine, in the end its all about the money.
FYI what are the odds I put on this coin coming back to life, I think around 20%, but if it does the size of my bet is worth the potential payoff.
My rambling is over, hope I didn't piss off to many people. If I did, then you don't get this game anyway, so who cares.
So here we go....
If you are "investing" cash you can't afford to lose in an alt-crypto currencies, you are a moron. If you don't realize that the whole crypto currency is the new "Wild West" (USA slang reference) you are also a moron. I have no problem when stupid people do stupid things and get crushed, learn from your mistakes. I've traded futures and commodities for 16 years professionally as an exchange member, I learned what to do by learning what not to do. The pain of losing money is a great teacher. However, most people are to weak to learn from the pain and just quit. If you want to ever really make money trading anything, you need to realize losses are inevitable, and you need to take your losses when you plan isn't playing out.
I wasn't going to mine this coin because it premise was retarded, "backed by Wolong" Who the fuck is Wolong? I looked him up and he is some "Asian Crypto Currency Sage"(sarcasm inserted). Ok, after finding that out I thought... I want to mine this knowing this is going to be a pump and dump, especially after with all the hype that was coming around the launch date. I was only made aware of this coin cause I was mining VRT, and another VRT miner told me about it. So Mined the coin from the get go and 24hrs after. I mined around 37million coins and sold up from 45 all the way to 98, my volume weighted average sell was 72. This was my plan, be out within 2 days, max. Sooner if the market takes me out at prices.
What I see on these boards are a lot of people who want to be "crypto currency traders" and a lot of people looking to get rich quick, but don't have a clue what they are doing or how markets work. It's like the poker saying, "If you sit down at the table and can't spot who the sucker is, it's you". So to all the suckers you bought my coins from me, thank you and please learn from your mistakes and review your logic for buying this coin at the prices you did. Don't ever put your money at risk because someone else gives you a tip, consider who they are and what there angle is.
My final thoughts are this... my miners are back on this coin and I'm using 20% of what I made from this coin to buy it back (my plan is risk 20% of what I made from this coin to buy it back knowing it could be worthless, but if it works the rewards are worth the risk) I've been buying below 5 sats and have bids in from 4 down to 1. My premiss is probably 2/3 the coins are now controlled by less then 10 people. It may take few more days to get the weak hands out and absorb what the other miners are selling, but I don't think the other big stake holders are are looking to for a few statoshi's on their positions.
Lastly, everyone says this coin is dead fuck it. But I guarantee if this coin does move back up everyone denouncing it will come back and mine, in the end its all about the money.
FYI what are the odds I put on this coin coming back to life, I think around 20%, but if it does the size of my bet is worth the potential payoff.
My rambling is over, hope I didn't piss off to many people. If I did, then you don't get this game anyway, so who cares.
Equally, my word of advice is if you are not a professional trader, STAY THE FUCK OUT OF THIS COIN.
Let the traders (10 people) trade among themselves and see who's the one holding the bag. THE END.
ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU ARE NOT A WHALE, STAY THE FUCK OUT OF THIS COIN.
- Advice from someone with as much experience as the poster quoted.
(never sit at a professional poker cable with your cash if you are an amateur)
Only way those poker players can make money is to suck in as many amateurs as possible. It is time to move on and move away from this trap.
-5 for failing to realize that what you said wasn't consistent with uaivj's comment. (uaivj isn't a whale (at least not yet), but he said he is getting back in to some extent.)
-2 for using so many colors. Were they supposed to distract us from the mediocrity of your message?
-10 for saying, "Equally." Not even close!
February 23, 2014, 12:57:24 PM
Are you Still mining This trash coin?
Brought to you by: Ali-Woolong and the 40 Thieves!
Then look no further: come mine it @ Nitro
But for Gods sake stop buying this Garbage.
Thank you, this sums it all up for those who cannot read.
February 23, 2014, 12:55:06 PM
Are you Still mining This trash coin?
Brought to you by: Ali-Woolong and the 40 Thieves!
Then look no further: come mine it @ Nitro
But for Gods sake stop buying this Garbage.
February 23, 2014, 12:54:05 PM
Are you Still mining This trash coin?
Brought to you by: Ali-Woolong and the 40 Thieves!
Then look no further: come mine it @ Nitro
But for Gods sake stop buying this Garbage.
*Laugh my large buttocks off*
February 23, 2014, 12:50:16 PM
WTS 3.000 Mil Panda (3.000.000.000) at 50 satoshi.
Pm to offers
Pm to offers
February 23, 2014, 12:39:00 PM
February 23, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
Are you Still mining This trash coin?
Brought to you by: Ali-Woolong and the 40 Thieves!
Then look no further: come mine it @ Nitro
But for Gods sake stop buying this Garbage.
February 23, 2014, 12:03:21 PM
The reason Pandacoin failed is because it inherited all the flaws of a centralised system with none of the checks and balances.
This about sums it up perfectly. I just wonder if there is a way to do it in a manner that doesn't scream dump. I'd like to see someone try an IPO with known and trusted devs and structure the IPO so that there is no additional premine and the development team gets their rewards out of actively growing the coin (via the system I described earlier where the BTC investment all goes back into supporting the IPO price and buying shares from the market on scheduled intervals) with the dev team getting the coin (and not BTC) as reward for their work. I wonder if the community would object to this type of system, it seems pretty good in terms of IPOs because if the devs live up to the system, they too can be bagholders if they really aren't planning on trying to create a good coin.
February 23, 2014, 11:59:47 AM
Are you Still mining This trash coin?
Brought to you by: Ali-Woolong and the 40 Thieves!
Then look no further: come mine it @ Nitro
But for Gods sake stop buying this Garbage.
February 23, 2014, 11:29:53 AM
The shortcoming on any scheme like this though is the human/greed factor... which there seems to be plenty of here 
Yes. What you're outlining, as I understood it, is inherently centralised. This is the exact situation that Bitcoin sidesteps, because selfish self-interest is what makes fiat currencies flawed (the bank will close its doors in a "run on the bank" scenario, a government might experiment with money creation causing spiralling inflation, etc etc). All of these problems exist because control of the wealth is in the wrong place - it's with some central authority, rather than in the hands of the people whose wealth it represents and to whom it rightfully belongs. Bitcoin does away with this. Ostensibly, there's no trust required anywhere in the system. Miners can be as selfish as they like, they will still only get their share according to hashrate. A man with a wallet can announce to the world that he's a bank and that people should keep their bitcoins with him, but any straight-thinking individual will reject this offer because they know that, with their own wallet, they are the bank. Nobody need trust anybody else for the network to function.The reason Pandacoin failed is because it inherited all the flaws of a centralised system with none of the checks and balances. It would've been lunacy to just hand over the premine to anyone, let alone Wolong. The potential for abuse was glaringly obvious. It may be that you can mitigate the possibility of abuse by building functionality into the system itself (zero-trust contracts etc), and if that works and is trust-free and secure, that's fine - but placing a trust-based infrastructure literally on top of a cryptocurrency is an approach that is inherently ripe for abuse. Pandacoin is an excellent example of what happens if you don't take heed of the vulnerability of the situation.
Apologies if I'm preaching to the choir here, I know many of you are more than aware of this stuff, it's just that so many people don't seem to have seen the massive red flag that was present in the OP, and it makes me wonder why.
+1
February 23, 2014, 11:24:05 AM
The shortcoming on any scheme like this though is the human/greed factor... which there seems to be plenty of here
Yes. What you're outlining, as I understood it, is inherently centralised. This is the exact situation that Bitcoin sidesteps, because selfish self-interest is what makes fiat currencies flawed (the bank will close its doors in a "run on the bank" scenario, a government might experiment with money creation causing spiralling inflation, etc etc). All of these problems exist because control of the wealth is in the wrong place - it's with some central authority, rather than in the hands of the people whose wealth it represents and to whom it rightfully belongs. Bitcoin does away with this. Ostensibly, there's no trust required anywhere in the system. Miners can be as selfish as they like, they will still only get their share according to hashrate. A man with a wallet can announce to the world that he's a bank and that people should keep their bitcoins with him, but any straight-thinking individual will reject this offer because they know that, with their own wallet, they are the bank. Nobody need trust anybody else for the network to function.The reason Pandacoin failed is because it inherited all the flaws of a centralised system with none of the checks and balances. It would've been lunacy to just hand over the premine to anyone, let alone Wolong. The potential for abuse was glaringly obvious. It may be that you can mitigate the possibility of abuse by building functionality into the system itself (zero-trust contracts etc), and if that works and is trust-free and secure, that's fine - but placing a trust-based infrastructure literally on top of a cryptocurrency is an approach that is inherently ripe for abuse. Pandacoin is an excellent example of what happens if you don't take heed of the vulnerability of the situation.
Apologies if I'm preaching to the choir here, I know many of you are more than aware of this stuff, it's just that so many people don't seem to have seen the massive red flag that was present in the OP, and it makes me wonder why.
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