That's why I said it would be a good thing if they would adjust the miner price.
And you also need very cheap electricity at the moment to be able to have profit.
Topic: Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W - page 11. (Read 22070 times)
Well, if this is the best they can do and you cannot make ROI 
@mammon
Yeah, it is quite hard at the moment.
The M10 will be one of the best miners, if not the best in power efficiency,
but I agree that they would need to adjust the price in this current situation.
Yeah, it is quite hard at the moment.
The M10 will be one of the best miners, if not the best in power efficiency,
but I agree that they would need to adjust the price in this current situation.
Lol, and yet another worthless miner! However people seems to be fine with these products and keep buying
33TH does 0,0012 BTC a day, and again presume you have FREE energy (however, we all have to pay this...)
0,0012 x 365 = 0,438 BTC a year. Roughly taken the hashpower (at least) triples every year, so earnings \3
0,438\3= 0,146 BTC in the first 365 days.
Next year = 0,146\3 = 0,0486 BTC in the second year, makes a total of 0,1946 BTC to mine with this -thing- in 2 years.
(and with FREE energy)
1788 dollar + 117 dollar shipping = 1905 dollar = 0,2985 BTC
Total LOSS in 2 years with FREE energy: -0,09 BTC!
WOW, what a marvellous product
I think we have past the point that buying miners with Crypto is no longer viable.
I stick to my BTC and will not buy any miners if even ROI cannot be made.
Why buy this kinda miners and lower the amount of BTC (LTC\ETH\etc.) you hodl?
You're even better of buying BTC now and skip mining!
33TH does 0,0012 BTC a day, and again presume you have FREE energy (however, we all have to pay this...)
0,0012 x 365 = 0,438 BTC a year. Roughly taken the hashpower (at least) triples every year, so earnings \3
0,438\3= 0,146 BTC in the first 365 days.
Next year = 0,146\3 = 0,0486 BTC in the second year, makes a total of 0,1946 BTC to mine with this -thing- in 2 years.
(and with FREE energy)
1788 dollar + 117 dollar shipping = 1905 dollar = 0,2985 BTC
Total LOSS in 2 years with FREE energy: -0,09 BTC!
WOW, what a marvellous product
I think we have past the point that buying miners with Crypto is no longer viable.
I stick to my BTC and will not buy any miners if even ROI cannot be made.
Why buy this kinda miners and lower the amount of BTC (LTC\ETH\etc.) you hodl?
You're even better of buying BTC now and skip mining!
Doesn't anyone thinks it's a bit weird that GMO's miner B3 is an 7nm architecture, does ~33TH@3300w and the Whatsminer M10 is at 16nm and does ~33TH@2100w?
I'm a bit sceptic
I'm a bit sceptic
the m3 does 160 watts per 1th
the s7 does 250 watts per 1th
same guy made these chips he did a chip that uses 64% of the s7
so the s9 does 100 watts per 1th
so the m10 at 64% of that would be 64 watts per 1th
since the same guy built or helped to build all of these chips it makes sense to me this chip/m10 could do 60 to 70 watts a th at an efficiency setting
It is why HagssFIN and I are eager to run tests on them.
At the moment the most efficient miner I have tested is the Innosilicon T2Turbo I get 80-82 watts a th on efficient setting.
If this gear drops me under 70 I will be getting it in larger amounts then just 1 unit.
Doesn't anyone thinks it's a bit weird that GMO's miner B3 is an 7nm architecture, does ~33TH@3300w and the Whatsminer M10 is at 16nm and does ~33TH@2100w?
Not weird at all. GMO tried to be first out of the gate using 7nm and as a result their designs are based on highly immature process technology. As is always the case the results -- suck. Whatsminer simply repeated what they did in the past - wait for the processes behind any given node size to mature and then take advantage of the usually very substantial performance gains seen vs results from 1st gen production or in the case of GMO what was not even that. GMO was touting their proof-of-principle/engineering testing chips as production items.
It looks like this new miner is going ot be pulling a 300 killowatt main line with frontline tech hashing power, I got my hands lined up to purchase a few, Right now the mining operation is at full gigawatts with carbon fiber racks which are heat and coolant resistant, I put a lot of thought into this and mapped everything out.
Obviously the size of the chip isnt the only factor in power efficiency. Keep in mind the guy behind WHatsminer M10 is the famous engineer behind the Antminer S7 & S9 chips who was and still is one of the most reliable and effective chips on the market since 2016.
I wouldnt be surprised if he managed to make is 16nm chip design even more efficient.
I wouldnt be surprised if he managed to make is 16nm chip design even more efficient.
Doesn't anyone thinks it's a bit weird that GMO's miner B3 is an 7nm architecture, does ~33TH@3300w and the Whatsminer M10 is at 16nm and does ~33TH@2100w?
I'm a bit sceptic
I'm a bit sceptic
Support says the September batch is sold out and the Oct/Nov batches are new runs
November batch was always listed. Anyone here order a September batch? I see them listed still on whatsminer.net also with October batch.
Support says the September batch is sold out and the Oct/Nov batches are new runs
Ok so it means that my guess was right. whatsminer.net is the US reseller based in Ft Lauderdale, FL so if you are a US buyer this would suit you better for warranty claims
I have had half of my M3's (1 of 2) go bad. Dead hash board. After initiating warranty claim on their website, you're directed to a Telegram channel for support via TeamViewer. The Florida address seems useless. I asked about sending to FL address, but was directed to ship failed board to China (confusing address has to be 100% correct or they claim to not know where it went). They eventually found it and sent a replacement - turnaround time is about a month.
They could really improve their reputation by getting their Florida address operational for North American support.
Even if their hash boards have a high failure rate, if they can get the turnaround time closer to a week instead of a month it'd still be worth it.
Support says the September batch is sold out and the Oct/Nov batches are new runs
Same here. I have not heard about delays. Maybe they sold out the first batch?
They changed the dates everywhere for first batch and lowered the price by $100. I guess only those who placed an order for September 20 would know if there's a delay or not. Hopefully it doesn't end up like the M3 pre-order where they are unprofitable by the time you receive them.
from what I understand, pangolinminer is based in Hong Kong so all warranty claims will need to be shipped there
pangolin miner is NOT the manufacturer. ShenMa/Bitewei Is the Manufacturer and run by former Bitmain engineer Yang Zuo Xing
whatsminer.net is the US reseller based in Ft Lauderdale, FL so if you are a US buyer this would suit you better for warranty claims
pangolin miner is NOT the manufacturer. ShenMa/Bitewei Is the Manufacturer and run by former Bitmain engineer Yang Zuo Xing
whatsminer.net is the US reseller based in Ft Lauderdale, FL so if you are a US buyer this would suit you better for warranty claims
Yes.
Pangolinminer has an official joint venture with Whatsminer,
they are a overseas distributor. https://pangolinminer.com/cooperate/
I may get a test unit around sept 18-21.
Same here. I have not heard about delays. Maybe they sold out the first batch?
First batch pre-order shipment date changed from 09/20/2018 to 10/25/2018. Was thinking about grabbing one when delivery was September, but most likely won't now.
I may get a test unit around sept 18-21.
First batch pre-order shipment date changed from 09/20/2018 to 10/25/2018. Was thinking about grabbing one when delivery was September, but most likely won't now.
Their website is http://www.pangolinminer.com
Thanks, whatsminer.net looks like a scam site ftw.
If you're comfortable PM'ing contact info to your rep there please do. Still hitting a brick wall with them.
from what I understand, pangolinminer is based in Hong Kong so all warranty claims will need to be shipped there
pangolin miner is NOT the manufacturer. ShenMa/Bitewei Is the Manufacturer and run by former Bitmain engineer Yang Zuo Xing
whatsminer.net is the US reseller based in Ft Lauderdale, FL so if you are a US buyer this would suit you better for warranty claims
haha we are in the same boat. my company want to order samples, too but they dont reply on wechat xD i think they dont want our money
Tried getting a quote in past for investor with 1,500 megawatts and no response. Probably for the best though cause everyone else's gear prices plummeted shortly after.
I guess they haven't responded to our requests. :/
Hopefully we can list but since we've never done business with them before we'll be pretty conservative working with a company that can't reply for weeks and counting.
Edit: Selfishly I want one. How many of these is safe for my 240v 30A line? 2-3 units?
Hopefully we can list but since we've never done business with them before we'll be pretty conservative working with a company that can't reply for weeks and counting.
Edit: Selfishly I want one. How many of these is safe for my 240v 30A line? 2-3 units?
haha we are in the same boat. my company want to order samples, too but they dont reply on wechat xD i think they dont want our money
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