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sr. member
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November 30, 2013, 01:55:05 AM
#52
papamoi. Stop trying to pull a Ed trice move on us. We're no papamois.

 Cheesy Roll Eyes

i don t need your money either,plasmoske,

you can keep on playing smart ass  and i m not intending in wasting time with time waster

thanks for your participation

at you next post i ll hit ignore button (things i ve never done until now)

sr. member
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November 30, 2013, 01:53:18 AM
#51

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the difference here is that there is some kind of mpw already in process (i ve hold the information in purpose) and we ll get some chips being tested next week or so

[...]


Then prove it.  

What's the estimated efficiency? Hashrate? Where's the communications protocol documentation?  What are the supply voltages?  What is the pad layout and dimensions?  What are the core and IO voltages?

Where is any of the supporting documentation?  I came here because I have BTC, it looked like an opportunity, and now I see it's clearly not.

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the aim of the gaiem here is to be not dependent to any greedy asic provider and being  INDEPENDANT comes at this price
but you are too DUMB to understand this.....

No, you are too dumb to realize that we're asking legitimate questions because we were interested in your project.  Why haven't you made any effort to appease any of the concerns?  You need our money, but you can't even provide the slightest shred of support to this.  The only interest you have is from people who will go for it if there's an open source hardware design.  How are you ever going to get these people on board if a design can't even be made because there are absolutely no specifications?
i don t need your money and i ll refuse it

i ll ask people to send also their bitcointalk id with the btc or fiat as i ll be choosing who will be with us or not
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The realist
November 30, 2013, 01:27:53 AM
#50
papamoi. Stop trying to pull a Ed trice move on us. We're no papamois.

 Cheesy Roll Eyes
legendary
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November 30, 2013, 01:19:52 AM
#49

[...]

the difference here is that there is some kind of mpw already in process (i ve hold the information in purpose) and we ll get some chips being tested next week or so

[...]


Then prove it.  

What's the estimated efficiency? Hashrate? Where's the communications protocol documentation?  What are the supply voltages?  What is the pad layout and dimensions?  What are the core and IO voltages?

Where is any of the supporting documentation?  I came here because I have BTC, it looked like an opportunity, and now I see it's clearly not.

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the aim of the gaiem here is to be not dependent to any greedy asic provider and being  INDEPENDANT comes at this price
but you are too DUMB to understand this.....

No, you are too dumb to realize that we're asking legitimate questions because we were interested in your project.  Why haven't you made any effort to appease any of the concerns?  You need our money, but you can't even provide the slightest shred of support to this.  The only interest you have is from people who will go for it if there's an open source hardware design.  How are you ever going to get these people on board if a design can't even be made because there are absolutely no specifications?
legendary
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Christian Antkow
November 30, 2013, 01:18:50 AM
#48
I don t want to convince you if you are enough dumb to not being able to understand the opportunity of this ,it has taken time and money to arrive to this and i don t want smartass and big mouth to be part of this.
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but you are too DUMB to understand this.....

 ... Good luck gaining investors carrying on like this Sad
sr. member
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The realist
November 30, 2013, 01:10:17 AM
#47
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if you don t want to be in noone is forcing u

Calm down buddy. I'm just here to warn the community. Obviously no-one is forcing me. That's just a stupid thing to say.

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if i wanted to become rich quickly i would have bought btc with my money and would have just kept it .

Now that's... I don't even. Like the time you sent $50k to some guy for a 1.4TH/s CPU miner because you wanted to get rich quickly ermmm... sorry I meant support the bitcoin network? Yeah if I wanted to get rich as well I would have just bought 1 million worth of bitcoins back in 2010 also. But then again I don't have a magical crystal ball and neither do you. Saying that sentence now just makes you look even more of an idiot.

Seriously just stop. You lack the intelligence to pull this off. You can't even spell or write correctly. Are you even a qualified engineer or have any at all experience in this field? Is that a no I hear? Money and desire alone will not make you win the game. You do need to have at least some clue.

 Roll Eyes

Stop before you get scammed/conned again and end up living on the streets.
sr. member
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November 30, 2013, 12:39:14 AM
#46
Papamoi. Didn't you get scammed for about $50k at the start of the year to buy some 2 x 86.4GHz computer to mine bitcoins?

Personally I wouldn't really want to 'invest' in what you're doing. You can't even tell if something is a scam or not so I wouldn't trust you to run your own business using clear judgement/logic.

Running a ASIC business, you'll need the smarts which is something I think you're lacking. No offense. You can't just hire some Chinese company and tell them you want ASIC chips. Doesn't work that way.
You gotta know what you're doing.

And... I'll quote.

I would like to warn you guys that you will finance these guys business ventures by paying them upfront

so please be carefull

once the money have left your accounts there is nothing you can do to recover it ,

So PLEASE BE CAREFUL

thanks

Same quote can be applied to this thread. Trust a greedy guy who doesn't have any engineering experience and is relying on 3rd party Chinese people?
Seeing as 0BTC so far has been transferred, everyone here seems to be smart about it so far.

Also

the contract we are going to sign is prepared at the moment

Seriously papamoi. Just stop. We all know you want to get rich quick but look. You got scammed the exact same way at the start of the year. You signed a contract with some con man and handed the money over to him. That really didn't stop him from scamming did it? Don't let history repeat itself.

Again

if you don t want to be in noone is forcing u

don t make me repeat myself ,everyone is not ed trice and as i said i ve been fooled once and i m supposed to do my homework about guys with whom i m working.
these are reputable ic companies not some kind of b..s... american conman.

Eight months have passed between what happened with ed trice and now and i ve been contacted almost all ic about this.

don t you think people learn while they are been conned by some american bastards?

the difference here is that there is some kind of mpw already in process (i ve hold the information in purpose) and we ll get some chips being tested next week or so

if you feel you are smart and specially that i m a a dumb guy who is not able to manage his business ,i repeat again don t invest but don t come and act as smartass here.

AGAIN PLEASE DON T INVEST WITH ME

I don t want to convince you if you are enough dumb to not being able to understand the opportunity of this ,it has taken time and money to arrive to this and i don t want smartass and big mouth to be part of this.

if i warned people abt being careful with their money (after being cheated by some f---ing american bastard)i do not want to cheat any money and come here with promises ,dreams and fantasy.

i ve presented the project with realistic and reasonnable costs and everyone can contact ic s to verify if the figures i ve given are realistic or not

now there is always smartass like you and others who think that they are superior to others ,so i don t want your participation in this.

i ve been able to make this project to arrive at this stage it s not for getting discouraged by some smartass.

thanks

and there is specially one last sentence you said wich is getting me angry,if i wanted to become rich quickly i would have bought btc with my money and would have just kept it .

i ve been conned by ed trice and then bitfury didn t deliver the chips at the price he promises me(he was supposed to sell it to me at costs price)

and i specially know how greedy people are....

the aim of the gaiem here is to be not dependent to any greedy asic provider and being  INDEPENDANT comes at this price

but you are too DUMB to understand this.....

sr. member
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The realist
November 29, 2013, 09:46:18 PM
#45
Papamoi. Didn't you get scammed for about $50k at the start of the year to buy some 2 x 86.4GHz computer to mine bitcoins?

Personally I wouldn't really want to 'invest' in what you're doing. You can't even tell if something is a scam or not so I wouldn't trust you to run your own business using clear judgement/logic.

Running a ASIC business, you'll need the smarts which is something I think you're lacking. No offense. You can't just hire some Chinese company and tell them you want ASIC chips. Doesn't work that way.
You gotta know what you're doing.

And... I'll quote.

I would like to warn you guys that you will finance these guys business ventures by paying them upfront

so please be carefull

once the money have left your accounts there is nothing you can do to recover it ,

So PLEASE BE CAREFUL

thanks

Same quote can be applied to this thread. Trust a greedy guy who doesn't have any engineering experience and is relying on 3rd party Chinese people?
Seeing as 0BTC so far has been transferred, everyone here seems to be smart about it so far.

Also

the contract we are going to sign is prepared at the moment

Seriously papamoi. Just stop. We all know you want to get rich quick but look. You got scammed the exact same way at the start of the year. You signed a contract with some con man and handed the money over to him. That really didn't stop him from scamming did it? Don't let history repeat itself.
newbie
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November 29, 2013, 07:13:39 PM
#44
i know this is legit cause i take the time to capitalize my words
legendary
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November 29, 2013, 05:34:59 PM
#43
If there's a PCB design available for the chips. I'd be interested.


P.S. Need JohnK to post here to verify your identity.

Yes i want a PCB design first or at least some kind of guarantee that you can do 70 populated pcbs at 1.5-2.5 btc.
full member
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November 29, 2013, 05:24:49 PM
#42
If there's a PCB design available for the chips. I'd be interested.


P.S. Need JohnK to post here to verify your identity.
sr. member
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November 29, 2013, 04:36:19 PM
#41
there is many negative point from my side i can accept:
-first english is not my first language so soemtimes i m not able to explain or "sell"my ideas or investment
-i m really not a good marketer
-i don t like overpromise people so therefore you won t hear me see me writing fabulous or incredible proposal
-the contract we are going to sign is prepared at the moment
- i ve written in the first post that i ll put 100k  usd in this
-the technical doc are coming and will come as soon as we sign

Noone is forcing anyone and as i said i don t know how to market my ideas (probably because of the language and maybe because i don t like overpromise)

choice is yours not mine


Then you should not be here soliciting funds from other members if you're not able, willing, or prepared to act professionally.  

next time i ll seek your advice.

define professionnally?

we are all bitcoin fan here and it s not any kind of profession i want to make here but aiming to achieve a fan project.




so i ve understood that u are not interested and i m not really interested or willing to get you interested in this

that s fine thanks for your advice and have a nice day

or do i have to add anything else?
legendary
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November 29, 2013, 03:43:02 PM
#40
there is many negative point from my side i can accept:
-first english is not my first language so soemtimes i m not able to explain or "sell"my ideas or investment
-i m really not a good marketer
-i don t like overpromise people so therefore you won t hear me see me writing fabulous or incredible proposal
-the contract we are going to sign is prepared at the moment
- i ve written in the first post that i ll put 100k  usd in this
-the technical doc are coming and will come as soon as we sign

Noone is forcing anyone and as i said i don t know how to market my ideas (probably because of the language and maybe because i don t like overpromise)

choice is yours not mine


Then you should not be here soliciting funds from other members if you're not able, willing, or prepared to act professionally. 
sr. member
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November 29, 2013, 10:19:58 AM
#39
but then again, why should the project be 900.000 USD ( thats what you write in September) or 1.1M USD ?


Why can it not be 300.000 or 400.000 USD, that is a sum that 4-10 big guys could invest into and increase the speed of things happening ?

More chips will be ordered more the costs/chip will be affordable.

this 1.1 m is included 700 terahahs of chips.So the costs of masks is reduced(as it s divided and shared by more chips and participants) and we are able to give the number of chips i ve said to the investors

and with the promise that they ll pay the same price whenever they ll need them again

got me?
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November 29, 2013, 10:11:52 AM
#38
but then again, why should the project be 900.000 USD ( thats what you write in September) or 1.1M USD ?


Why can it not be 300.000 or 400.000 USD, that is a sum that 4-10 big guys could invest into and increase the speed of things happening ?
sr. member
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November 29, 2013, 10:00:38 AM
#37
This project will fail and is a waste of time.
Why?
As you said yourself, you are not a good marketeer.
To succes, you need to be able to communicate and thats a con for you.
You don't have trust at your side and you are late at the game.
All these things and a lot more are not in your odds.

Just my opinion, nothing else

again noone is forcing you

you don t want to be in no problem and i won t try to convince you

if you guys are not able to understand what is the luck to have an asic at cost price comparing the prices the other asic guys are selling their stuffs,i m not able to explain you more than this ....
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einc.io
November 29, 2013, 09:42:33 AM
#36
This project will fail and is a waste of time.
Why?
As you said yourself, you are not a good marketeer.
To succes, you need to be able to communicate and thats a con for you.
You don't have trust at your side and you are late at the game.
All these things and a lot more are not in your odds.

Just my opinion, nothing else
sr. member
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November 29, 2013, 09:15:46 AM
#35
If you got (blatently) scammed by Ed Trice, how can we trust that these people aren't scamming you?

there is risk in life

i m adult and responsible and i m dealing with reputable company as britesemi and chipmotion is working with britesemi

i ve done my homework and willing to make happen this project (i m on it since april as you should know)

I know you've been after this for awhile.

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now do yourself your homework and decide

That is what I'm doing.

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everyone is not ed trice and if i would have been changing my idea of making investment because of ed trice i would be a total looser to act like this,don t you think?

Not necessarily.

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their website for your reference:

http://www.chipmotion.com/index.php?_m=frontpage&_a=index
http://www.britesemi.com/en/index

and smic is the fab

http://www.smics.com/eng/index.php

Now if you think that anyone of these 3 are able to scam us so please do not invest

Look at it from my view:  

 - I've seen people refuse to work with you in the past.
 - I witnessed you get conned by a man selling dreams while people here tried to warn you.
 - You posted no actual evidence in this thread that you have  a prior arrangement with any of the parties listed.
 - You have not proven your stake of of this adventure, nor explained what your role in the project is.
 - You don't have any technical documentation to present, yet the design is complete and awaiting tape-out payment.
 
You want me to send you >=1.5 btc based on the information in the first post of your thread without having any of the details necessary to prove this is a thing.  I don't think you're trying to scam me and I'm not saying I think any of the three involved parties are either.  

You should delete this thread, re-write it properly and professionally address some of the issues above and you might have some interest.  

there is many negative point from my side i can accept:
-first english is not my first language so soemtimes i m not able to explain or "sell"my ideas or investment
-i m really not a good marketer
-i don t like overpromise people so therefore you won t hear me see me writing fabulous or incredible proposal
-the contract we are going to sign is prepared at the moment
- i ve written in the first post that i ll put 100k  usd in this
-the technical doc are coming and will come as soon as we sign

Noone is forcing anyone and as i said i don t know how to market my ideas (probably because of the language and maybe because i don t like overpromise)

choice is yours not mine
sr. member
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November 29, 2013, 09:08:35 AM
#34
for people who are wondering about pcb costs and all


you can find some open source pcb made by forum s guys and you can estimate roughly that it ll be the same as the chip tech is roughly the same

as far as i know the maximum you would spend on the pcb would be the same as the chips costs meaning 1.5 btc for all your chips.

this would be adjust of course later on



I am a bit interested in this, but saying that all pcbs for 1400 chips will cost 1.5 btc seems very unreal to me. Ok i pay 1.5 btc for 1400 chips, but i think the pcbs will cost a lot more than that. burnin's cost was around 100 euro per board for Avalon chips. Considering that there were 20 chips per pcb that means i will need 70 boards that will cost me ~7000 euros. Let's drop the price a bit and make it 5000 euros, it's still more than 1.5 btc. With all the respect to your work, but it's simply very hard for someone to plan things ahead.
are u sure that it was  his Costs price?as we intend to sell it at costs no margin for me

Why would he create boards at cost price for me? Maybe i didn't understand your post about pcbs. Are you saying that you will provide boards for chips for 1.5 btc or how do you think that it's possible to populate 1400 chips?

 it ll be better we talk about this after we get chips techs specs ,i think it s possible to do so but let s wait the specs
vs3
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November 28, 2013, 10:11:57 PM
#33
Either way - I'd be interested to give the PCB+drivers a shot.
open source pcb and drivers and i am in! otherwise i don't know what i should do with the chips.

Oh yeah, certainly it needs to be open-source Smiley
The more people that know how to use the chips the better for the manufacturer!
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