~PayPal-Trader~ is a scammer. Do NOT deal with him. - page 4.

sardasa

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Quote from: shorena on January 14, 2016, 02:25:21 PM

Maybe I wasnt clear enough. ~PayPal-Trader~ scammed 0.1457 BTC. Lets assume you are sardasa here. The TX would give you 0.1163 btc from the scammer. Would you return the 0.1163 btc to the scammer or the victim of one of their scams?

If the txn gets confirmed then I would probably send this funds to theymos and let him decide what to do with it. What do you guys say?

Now when its confirmed that he is a scammer then I can make his Skrll id public which he gave me: [email protected]
Maybe some one can link this one also with other scams.

shorena

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Quote from: Indianacoin on January 14, 2016, 02:21:47 PM

Quote from: shorena on January 14, 2016, 02:13:55 PM

Which brings us back to the question which of the following is the preferred action.

If the network forgets about the transaction and the scammer has not lost anything
-OR-
If the transaction is rebroadcasted until it is confirmed even though it might take a few weeks.

How can he make a mistake all of a sudden when he had already confirmed outbound transactions with 0.0001 BTC fee? For example --- https://blockchain.info/tx/6e17e39d4bf8a0c431c5f762ed140acb883b056609ee880938e3f886992f68f5

Prolly none other than a scam attempt IMHO.

Quote from: shorena on January 14, 2016, 02:13:55 PM

After all anyone that knows about the transaction has the power to remind the network about it.

That's why I already advised op not to rebroadcast it because he has not sent him anything on Skrill and the transaction will obviously get cancelled if no reminder is attempted on the network.

Maybe I wasnt clear enough. ~PayPal-Trader~ scammed 0.1457 BTC. Lets assume you are sardasa here. The TX would give you 0.1163 btc from the scammer. Would you return the 0.1163 btc to the scammer or the victim of one of their scams?

Indianacoin

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Quote from: shorena on January 14, 2016, 02:13:55 PM

Which brings us back to the question which of the following is the preferred action.

If the network forgets about the transaction and the scammer has not lost anything
-OR-
If the transaction is rebroadcasted until it is confirmed even though it might take a few weeks.

How can he make a mistake all of a sudden when he had already confirmed outbound transactions with 0.0001 BTC fee? For example --- https://blockchain.info/tx/6e17e39d4bf8a0c431c5f762ed140acb883b056609ee880938e3f886992f68f5

Prolly none other than a scam attempt IMHO.

Quote from: shorena on January 14, 2016, 02:13:55 PM

After all anyone that knows about the transaction has the power to remind the network about it.

That's why I already advised op not to rebroadcast it because he has not sent him anything on Skrill and the transaction will obviously get cancelled if no reminder is attempted on the network.

shorena

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Quote from: Indianacoin on January 14, 2016, 02:03:24 PM

-snip-
Poor scam attempt. Roll Eyes

Which brings us back to the question which of the following is the preferred action.

If the network forgets about the transaction and the scammer has not lost anything
-OR-
If the transaction is rebroadcasted until it is confirmed even though it might take a few weeks.

After all anyone that knows about the transaction has the power to remind the network about it.

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Quote from: sardasa on January 14, 2016, 01:15:34 PM

How would I know that the txn has been dropped by the n/w?
Anyways, its more than 24 hours now since he sent me BTC and I have not rebroadcasted it even once.

Just leave it there already. No need to rebroadcast again.

Your final balance will automatically show zero after it gets rejected by the network (https://blockchain.info/address/1Atv5LPgx5auEWnovRua7BwbqoZ6ZFdutE)

Quote from: ~PayPal-Trader~ on January 14, 2016, 10:10:02 AM

I am sorry sir , i wanted to trade with you but this sardasa told that i can trade with him and told to send first , i am new to bitcoin so i sent first with minimum fee , and now transaction is unconfirmed , i am waiting for transaction to confirm , and hope Sardasa will not scam me.

Funny thing is, he sent btc earlier and after doing 141 successful transactions he becomes totally unaware of transaction fees.
Poor scam attempt. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: sardasa on January 14, 2016, 01:15:34 PM

Quote from: Indianacoin on January 14, 2016, 01:13:23 PM

There is no way that transaction will ever confirm after several rebroadcasting.

Op can do one thing, since you have not paid him on Skrill you can stop communicating with him. Either way he will get his BTC back after 24 hours.
So no harm is done in that case.

Next time trade with a trusted member here.

How would I know that the txn has been dropped by the n/w?
Anyways, its more than 24 hours now since he sent me BTC and I have not rebroadcasted it even once.

that can take several day, to transaction could be cancelled.

sardasa

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Quote from: Indianacoin on January 14, 2016, 01:13:23 PM

There is no way that transaction will ever confirm after several rebroadcasting.

Op can do one thing, since you have not paid him on Skrill you can stop communicating with him. Either way he will get his BTC back after 24 hours.
So no harm is done in that case.

Next time trade with a trusted member here.

How would I know that the txn has been dropped by the n/w?
Anyways, its more than 24 hours now since he sent me BTC and I have not rebroadcasted it even once.

Indianacoin

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There is no way that transaction will ever confirm after several rebroadcasting.

Op can do one thing, since you have not paid him on Skrill you can stop communicating with him. Either way he will get his BTC back after 24 hours.
So no harm is done in that case.

Next time trade with a trusted member here.

sardasa

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Quote from: ~PayPal-Trader~ on January 14, 2016, 10:07:17 AM

Quote from: Undermood on January 14, 2016, 09:33:32 AM

Sender trusted jr member with 0.11 or 0.27BTC with 10 satishi fees. Hopefully the transaction will get confirmed and Op could run away with the money, could buy a sr member account with that money. Angry

Sender's scam attempt will fail.

There is no trick from my side , i have been trading in paypal and this is fourth time i am trading in bitcoin.
I know now that sardasa will run away with bitcoins that i have sent him , but i will wait for the transaction to confirm .
I am regretting not to use escrow.
Meanwhile i know sardasa , he is on TBN.

Quote from: ~PayPal-Trader~ on January 14, 2016, 10:26:00 AM

Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

https://blockchain.info/address/1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
This address has 3 pages of transactions on blockchain.info and you say that this was your 4th txn involving bitcoin. You are caught red handed dude. No point of pretending to be innocent now.
Everyone knows you are a scammer.

sardasa

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Quote from: zazarb on January 14, 2016, 11:56:52 AM

Quote from: chanlance on January 14, 2016, 09:22:38 AM

Fees 0.0000001 BTC Shocked

this will take some time to be confirmed

99.9% that never

with 0.00000374 BTC fee I have wait week or two, after several time rebroadcasting.
So I suggesting stop rebroadcasting in this case.

Stop re-broadcasting & wait for it get confirmed or dropped by the n/w?

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Quote from: chanlance on January 14, 2016, 09:22:38 AM

Fees 0.0000001 BTC Shocked

this will take some time to be confirmed

99.9% that never

with 0.00000374 BTC fee I have wait week or two, after several time rebroadcasting.
So I suggesting stop rebroadcasting in this case.

sardasa

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Quote from: shorena on January 14, 2016, 11:09:15 AM

Quote from: sardasa on January 14, 2016, 11:04:59 AM

-snip-
You're saying Alt of ~PayPal-Trader~ scammed some one called Pasaris and once this BTC gets confirmed, I should refund that much amount to Pasaris and rest to ~PayPal-Trader~ ?

Read this, compare the addresses -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13426408

Not that is ok in your book, its up to you once the TX confirms.

Quote from: ~PayPal-Trader~ on January 14, 2016, 10:26:00 AM

Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

@~PayPal-Trader~ : Would you please say something against this scam accusation or you admit scamming him & were trying to scam me too ?

shorena

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Quote from: sardasa on January 14, 2016, 11:04:59 AM

-snip-
You're saying Alt of ~PayPal-Trader~ scammed some one called Pasaris and once this BTC gets confirmed, I should refund that much amount to Pasaris and rest to ~PayPal-Trader~ ?

Read this, compare the addresses -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13426408

Not that is ok in your book, its up to you once the TX confirms.

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OK, it looks like they were talking about Skype user chemy who's name lights up BCT talk too...

...but I cant tie that wallet 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc to him (chemy) just yet.

OTOH

chemy https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/chemy-651944

has used the wallet 14PEM2XATEfefg9J4HoNqKuLQc9bLpccGY

Quote from: chemy on January 14, 2016, 08:35:32 AM

rank: Jr.Member
Post: 61
BTC Address: 14PEM2XATEfefg9J4HoNqKuLQc9bLpccGY

http://www.bctalkaccountpricer.info/?token=fjphtuu0

Quote from: Quickseller on December 04, 2015, 01:08:05 AM

benq1 has 14PEM2XATEfefg9J4HoNqKuLQc9bLpccGY in his profile (archive).

So Scammer Family Tree for wallet 14PEM2XATEfefg9J4HoNqKuLQc9bLpccGY Engg.Chaks -> benq1 -> chemy

thank indirectly to Quickseller...

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Quote from: shorena on January 14, 2016, 10:42:47 AM

Quote from: ~PayPal-Trader~ on January 14, 2016, 10:26:00 AM

Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

I recon I should stop rebroadcasting this TX now, right? It very likely will be forgotten by the network without it.

What wallet service/software are you using?

Edit: Just to clarify the fee you set is reckless, if you did not set it yourself, the wallet you use is badly designed. You may have acted in good faith, but you should not be surprised that someone thinks this is shady.

No, please do not stop. Rebroadcast it and hopefully it will confirm soon and I'll refund him the BTC and get over with this.

Quote from: Timelord2067 on January 14, 2016, 10:51:03 AM

Quote from: UnknownUsername on January 14, 2016, 08:46:14 AM

~PayPal-Trader~ is this the guy?

yep, highly a scam attempt, the possible scammer is using a newbie account and posts in the currency section. Likely a scammer hunting for newbie bitcoiners.

He also only wants Skrill?

Yes.

Quote from: Timelord2067 on January 14, 2016, 10:53:56 AM

Quote from: ~PayPal-Trader~ on January 14, 2016, 10:26:00 AM

Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

...and the only other time that wallet 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc is mentioned here at BCT is when it shows up in this message by someone else....

Quote from: dbshck on January 01, 2016, 07:07:27 AM

Sudah diupdate oleh OP screenshots conversation skypenya. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammed-by-kemben-an-indonesian-bitch-1302139
Address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
Tx: https://blockchain.info/tx/988f373c4aa791f08afe42178567364664989970f9945f4f047f98610179b41e
Skype username: chemy

23 Desember 2015, ada scam accusation juga yang pelakunya memakai skype username chemy. Disini https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammer-chemy-for-antminer-s7-coupons-1300716

Misal akun Kemben benar dihack, hackernya tidak mengganti password dan email. Berarti dihack setidaknya dari tanggal 24 Desember sampai 31 Desember. Lihat sent feedback akunnya Kemben,

Ada 3 feedback yang dikirim ke beberapa user pada saat dihack.

Edit: Sudah PM ghibly79, katanya tidak pernah ada PM dari Kemben, dan tidak ada transaksi Skrill-BTC yang besarnya 0.32 pada hari itu. Kemungkinan besar feedbacknya palsu.

~PayPal-Trader~ is an Alt of ? ? ?

That's an interesting find. We should wait for ~PayPal-Trader~ to reply on this.

Quote from: shorena on January 14, 2016, 11:04:20 AM

Quote from: Timelord2067 on January 14, 2016, 10:53:56 AM

Quote from: ~PayPal-Trader~ on January 14, 2016, 10:26:00 AM

Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

...and the only other time that wallet 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc is mentioned here at BCT is when it shows up in this message by someone else....

Quote from: dbshck on January 01, 2016, 07:07:27 AM

Sudah diupdate oleh OP screenshots conversation skypenya. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammed-by-kemben-an-indonesian-bitch-1302139
Address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
Tx: https://blockchain.info/tx/988f373c4aa791f08afe42178567364664989970f9945f4f047f98610179b41e
Skype username: chemy

23 Desember 2015, ada scam accusation juga yang pelakunya memakai skype username chemy. Disini https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammer-chemy-for-antminer-s7-coupons-1300716

Misal akun Kemben benar dihack, hackernya tidak mengganti password dan email. Berarti dihack setidaknya dari tanggal 24 Desember sampai 31 Desember. Lihat sent feedback akunnya Kemben,

Ada 3 feedback yang dikirim ke beberapa user pada saat dihack.

Edit: Sudah PM ghibly79, katanya tidak pernah ada PM dari Kemben, dan tidak ada transaksi Skrill-BTC yang besarnya 0.32 pada hari itu. Kemungkinan besar feedbacknya palsu.

~PayPal-Trader~ is an Alt of ? ? ?

So sardasa can partiall refund the btc to Pasaris?

You're saying Alt of ~PayPal-Trader~ scammed some one called Pasaris and once this BTC gets confirmed, I should refund that much amount to Pasaris and rest to ~PayPal-Trader~ ?

shorena

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No I dont escrow anymore.

Quote from: Timelord2067 on January 14, 2016, 10:53:56 AM

Quote from: ~PayPal-Trader~ on January 14, 2016, 10:26:00 AM

Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

...and the only other time that wallet 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc is mentioned here at BCT is when it shows up in this message by someone else....

Quote from: dbshck on January 01, 2016, 07:07:27 AM

Sudah diupdate oleh OP screenshots conversation skypenya. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammed-by-kemben-an-indonesian-bitch-1302139
Address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
Tx: https://blockchain.info/tx/988f373c4aa791f08afe42178567364664989970f9945f4f047f98610179b41e
Skype username: chemy

23 Desember 2015, ada scam accusation juga yang pelakunya memakai skype username chemy. Disini https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammer-chemy-for-antminer-s7-coupons-1300716

Misal akun Kemben benar dihack, hackernya tidak mengganti password dan email. Berarti dihack setidaknya dari tanggal 24 Desember sampai 31 Desember. Lihat sent feedback akunnya Kemben,

Ada 3 feedback yang dikirim ke beberapa user pada saat dihack.

Edit: Sudah PM ghibly79, katanya tidak pernah ada PM dari Kemben, dan tidak ada transaksi Skrill-BTC yang besarnya 0.32 pada hari itu. Kemungkinan besar feedbacknya palsu.

~PayPal-Trader~ is an Alt of ? ? ?

So sardasa can partiall refund the btc to Pasaris?

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Quote from: ~PayPal-Trader~ on January 14, 2016, 10:26:00 AM

Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

...and the only other time that wallet 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc is mentioned here at BCT is when it shows up in this message by someone else....

Quote from: dbshck on January 01, 2016, 07:07:27 AM

Sudah diupdate oleh OP screenshots conversation skypenya. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammed-by-kemben-an-indonesian-bitch-1302139
Address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
Tx: https://blockchain.info/tx/988f373c4aa791f08afe42178567364664989970f9945f4f047f98610179b41e
Skype username: chemy

23 Desember 2015, ada scam accusation juga yang pelakunya memakai skype username chemy. Disini https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scammer-chemy-for-antminer-s7-coupons-1300716

Misal akun Kemben benar dihack, hackernya tidak mengganti password dan email. Berarti dihack setidaknya dari tanggal 24 Desember sampai 31 Desember. Lihat sent feedback akunnya Kemben,

Ada 3 feedback yang dikirim ke beberapa user pada saat dihack.

Edit: Sudah PM ghibly79, katanya tidak pernah ada PM dari Kemben, dan tidak ada transaksi Skrill-BTC yang besarnya 0.32 pada hari itu. Kemungkinan besar feedbacknya palsu.

~PayPal-Trader~ is an Alt of ? ? ?

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Quote from: UnknownUsername on January 14, 2016, 08:46:14 AM

~PayPal-Trader~ is this the guy?

yep, highly a scam attempt, the possible scammer is using a newbie account and posts in the currency section. Likely a scammer hunting for newbie bitcoiners.

He also only wants Skrill?

shorena

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No I dont escrow anymore.

Quote from: ~PayPal-Trader~ on January 14, 2016, 10:26:00 AM

Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

I recon I should stop rebroadcasting this TX now, right? It very likely will be forgotten by the network without it.

What wallet service/software are you using?

Edit: Just to clarify the fee you set is reckless, if you did not set it yourself, the wallet you use is badly designed. You may have acted in good faith, but you should not be surprised that someone thinks this is shady.

~PayPal-Trader~

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Okay this is refund address: 1CwV6JERyAZpsMAhVqDSpoqYt3eAqs7xFc
I don't feel like blaming you or blocking you , what i felt bad was that you called me scammer , and this i don't like , because i am as legit as you are.

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