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Topic: Petition: BFL SC Single should be 65Ghash and not 60Ghash - page 3. (Read 10550 times)

legendary
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To above 2 posts, if you look at the poll, you see it's not just me, many people agree with the idea.

Also there is a big difference between Walmart and BFL.

Walmart buys with their own money, then resells a ready product.

The entire BFL company is funded by the Bitcoin mining community right now.

Your poll doesn't match your post; it doesn't ask if it's unfair that the little single is half the price of the big single. It asks if BFL should update the firmware of the single to upgrade it to 65GH/s. Everyone who's ordered a single would agree with that even if they think the reasoning behind your post is moronic.
full member
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I'm mad as hell! I paid for 40 Ghash. I'm not getting what was advertised. I DEMAND that the number be lowered back to the original spec!
sr. member
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And while you're at it, ask for a raise to 75Ghash, or maybe 85 Ghash ... You know what? Fvck it! Let's ask for 100 Ghash! Everybody loves a round number, right?
legendary
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Everyone who voted for a raise in Gh/s should contact them to see what they would willing to do for their customers.

http://www.butterflylabs.com/contact/
legendary
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And if I put up a poll asking if people would rather have the Single SC have 100 Ghash, I'm pretty sure 100 would get more votes than 60. I'm not sure what that proves.

I also had no idea that there was any difference between Walmart and BFL. I planned on purchasing all of my ASIC devices through Walmart at 12:01AM on Tuesday.

To have 100Ghash would not only be impossible as it would require every ASIC chip to do 1.2Ghz, and the maximum it can do is 1Ghz according to BFL, but also illogical as it would make other BFL products uncompetitive.

There is actually logic behind what I proposed, and it is to retain the original price structure of: The more you pay for a product, the more value per dollar you get", this is how it was until the LITTLE Single broke it.
BFL Josh just denied your peition on the grounds that they "aren't prepared" to do that.

He unfortunately didn't find the redundancy aspect to be a good enough reason.

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Sorry ice_chill, but I the redundancy issue is not really a factor with 99% of the people purchasing the devices. The other benefits to a 60 GH/s single unit vs 2x 30 GH/s unit far outweigh the hypothetical redundancy issue. (Less power consumption, less space, less heat, less material, etc...)

It simply makes no economic or efficiency sense to order two little singles vs 1 Single SC. While I'm not devaluing your desire to have two, for any reason you feel is relevant, it's just not something we can accommodate at this time. We will keep it under advisement for the future though.

Statistically, it's a wash... you have half the chance to lose your full hashrate as you would with one unit and 2x the chance to lose half the hashrate and it's more than likely you'll end up losing money in the long run with 2 units vs 1 unit, since you'll incur more overhead operating two units over the lifespan of the units. The redundancy factor might appear to be valid when you don't examine it closely, but if you work out the math, it simply doesn't make sense. You're effectively just buying insurance and paying a premium for no particular reason other than piece of mind. I'm not saying that's not valuable to some people, but it's not something we are prepared to offer right now.

You can also look at it this way: You're still getting 20 GH/s for free, since you paid $1299 for 40 GH/s... so you're getting 2/3 of a Little Single for free.

Link: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/136-Petition-to-stabilise-price-structure-of-BFL-ASIC-hardware?p=1843&viewfull=1#post1843

BFL customers will only get 60Gh/s at this time it seems.
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And if I put up a poll asking if people would rather have the Single SC have 100 Ghash, I'm pretty sure 100 would get more votes than 60. I'm not sure what that proves.

I also had no idea that there was any difference between Walmart and BFL. I planned on purchasing all of my ASIC devices through Walmart at 12:01AM on Tuesday.

To have 100Ghash would not only be impossible as it would require every ASIC chip to do 1.2Ghz, and the maximum it can do is 1Ghz according to BFL, but also illogical as it would make other BFL products uncompetitive.

There is actually logic behind what I proposed, and it is to retain the original price structure of: The more you pay for a product, the more value per dollar you get", this is how it was until the LITTLE Single broke it.

What are you missing here? If I poll people if they would like more Ghash for free, they will say yes. That in absolutely no way proves any point you're trying to make.

I also don't give the slightest shit if their "price structure" is off by a few dollars. You don't know why their price points are where they are, and they have no obligation to explain it to you. If their product isn't priced to your liking, don't buy it. That's how it works.
sr. member
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Trust me, these default swaps will limit the risks
Just when I think I've heard it all...I read through the bitcointalk forum posts.
sr. member
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And if I put up a poll asking if people would rather have the Single SC have 100 Ghash, I'm pretty sure 100 would get more votes than 60. I'm not sure what that proves.

I also had no idea that there was any difference between Walmart and BFL. I planned on purchasing all of my ASIC devices through Walmart at 12:01AM on Tuesday.

To have 100Ghash would not only be impossible as it would require every ASIC chip to do 1.2Ghz, and the maximum it can do is 1Ghz according to BFL, but also illogical as it would make other BFL products uncompetitive.

There is actually logic behind what I proposed, and it is to retain the original price structure of: The more you pay for a product, the more value per dollar you get", this is how it was until the LITTLE Single broke it.
full member
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And if I put up a poll asking if people would rather have the Single SC have 100 Ghash, I'm pretty sure 100 would get more votes than 60. I'm not sure what that proves.

I also had no idea that there was any difference between Walmart and BFL. I planned on purchasing all of my ASIC devices through Walmart at 12:01AM on Tuesday.
sr. member
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To above 2 posts, if you look at the poll, you see it's not just me, many people agree with the idea.

Also there is a big difference between Walmart and BFL.

Walmart buys with their own money, then resells a ready product.

The entire BFL company is funded by the Bitcoin mining community right now.
full member
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Are you so entitled that you feel you can dictate the proposed specs and price of BFL equipment? This entire thread is ludicrous.

Agreed. I don't understand at all what the hell you're making all this noise about. Buy it or don't buy it. Good god.

Go tell Walmart that their snack size Pringles are priced unfairly.
member
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Well regarding breaking down, it is good BFL has offered lifetime warranty, but as it has been discussed in another thread, a lifetime warranty means for the lifetime of a company, if the company closes, then the warranty disappears.

BFL is a fairly new company with no history so no-one knows how they will fare in the future.

This brings me to my point, if the Singles are still making money while BFL company closes down, then having a LITTLE SC Single going faulty would mean $649 loss vs $1299 loss if the SC Single went faulty.


Also: 2 x LITTLE SC Singles would have 2 power bricks, 2 enclosures, 2 circuit boards with all the power phase circuitry and chips that handle communications, so naturally 2 x LITTLE SC Singles should cost a bit more than 1 SC Single, but they actually end up costing $1 less.
The point here is not the $1, but the fact that the pricing is not fairly proportionate.

Are you so entitled that you feel you can dictate the proposed specs and price of BFL equipment? This entire thread is ludicrous.
sr. member
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Well regarding breaking down, it is good BFL has offered lifetime warranty, but as it has been discussed in another thread, a lifetime warranty means for the lifetime of a company, if the company closes, then the warranty disappears.

BFL is a fairly new company with no history so no-one knows how they will fare in the future.

This brings me to my point, if the Singles are still making money while BFL company closes down, then having a LITTLE SC Single going faulty would mean $649 loss vs $1299 loss if the SC Single went faulty.


Also: 2 x LITTLE SC Singles would have 2 power bricks, 2 enclosures, 2 circuit boards with all the power phase circuitry and chips that handle communications, so naturally 2 x LITTLE SC Singles should cost a bit more than 1 SC Single, but they actually end up costing $1 less.
The point here is not the $1, but the fact that the pricing is not fairly proportionate.
sr. member
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There is a good amount of customers that have more than $150 but less than $1000 to spend and BFL was missing that market segment.

I tend to believe that the Little Single appeared as a response to bASIC 27GHs unit. Same structure as the Single but with half the CPUs, therefore the costs are not too far apart.

If you have money for a Single why bother buying 2 littles? Just in the case they break down? I like to think I'm not buying them to break down ...
sr. member
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It is obvious now that most if not all voters against the performance upgrade are anti-BFL feminists.
sr. member
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Waste of a thread.
sr. member
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@ice_chill
to follow your logic, you would have to rename the topic to:
"Petition: BFL SC LITTLE-Single should be 25Ghash and not 30Ghash"

Good point, I did think about that, but it is not something that BFL would do as people who already purchased the LITTLE SC Single will not be happy. However if the SC Single is raised to 65Ghash then it won't upset anyone.
hero member
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@ice_chill
to follow your logic, you would have to rename the topic to:
"Petition: BFL SC LITTLE-Single should be 25Ghash and not 30Ghash"
hero member
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Wasn't the Avolon priced at $1299 just for the first 300pcs batch, and $1999 for orders after that first batch?
sr. member
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Oh how I would sometimes wish these company's would just secretly work on a product then one day go "HEY EVERYONE WE HAVE THESE IN STOCK NOW TO SHIP OVERNIGHT!"  Tongue

Now I'm tempted to bring out the pocketbook and invest in the one I don't already have on preorder from the 3 companies
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