Topic: Petition: BFL SC Single should be 65Ghash and not 60Ghash - page 4. (Read 10550 times)
My money is on BTCFPGA shipping first both literally and figuratively.
Don't forget BFL will probably ship months before Avalon does. That makes a huge difference. As for power consumption, if that is important to you, consider that even a single BFL unit can be run by a computer that uses less than 50W, so 110W total, still far better than the (conservative) estimate of the Avalon.
That said, I still think buying an Avalon is a good hedge against failure of BFL and BTCFPGA to deliver quickly and as advertised. If somehow Avalon manages to ship first, it won't matter how much power it uses. I have an Avalon on order for just that reason.
That said, I still think buying an Avalon is a good hedge against failure of BFL and BTCFPGA to deliver quickly and as advertised. If somehow Avalon manages to ship first, it won't matter how much power it uses. I have an Avalon on order for just that reason.
I think the chances of Avalon coming to the market first are slim to none. IMO it is BFL as the front runner, with BTCFPGA on their heels. We will find out in a few weeks! I'm excited!
Thank you Avalon! I love this back and forth competition. WE WIN!
Don't forget BFL will probably ship months before Avalon does. That makes a huge difference. As for power consumption, if that is important to you, consider that even a single BFL unit can be run by a computer that uses less than 50W, so 110W total, still far better than the (conservative) estimate of the Avalon.
That said, I still think buying an Avalon is a good hedge against failure of BFL and BTCFPGA to deliver quickly and as advertised. If somehow Avalon manages to ship first, it won't matter how much power it uses. I have an Avalon on order for just that reason.
That said, I still think buying an Avalon is a good hedge against failure of BFL and BTCFPGA to deliver quickly and as advertised. If somehow Avalon manages to ship first, it won't matter how much power it uses. I have an Avalon on order for just that reason.
let the magic begin... abracadabra... puff ... 5 more Ghz for the SC Single
come on dude!
P.S.
did you ask them is such conversion is possible ?
@ Allcome on dude!
P.S.
did you ask them is such conversion is possible ?
Uh oh, A potentially dangerous time for BFL begins. A true test of economic foresight and planning.
Avalon just raised their proposed devices from 60Gh/s to 64Gh/s. Now some BFL buyers want the company to raise their Single SC to (magically?) 65Gh/s. Very evil if not totally genius of Avalon to do that at this particular time, LOL.
Every time BFL has to re-flash the devices it costs more time (and possibly money) and delays the shipments. Not to mention the operating temperature has to keep going down to keep the Single SC "cool enough".
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Well, keep this in mind, if too many BFL customers pull their money out by "refunds", it will leave the company deeply in debt. So don't rock the boat if you don't want to take a swim. It is safe to say that BFL has purchased quite a lot of hardware (hence the "free" order exchanges) with the anticipation that many more customers would be coming to them. But if there is a shortfall due to refunds then, all BFL customers will suffer from this.
Forgive them if they say "No" to the upgrades!
A new update from Avalon.
I'm ok with 60 gh from my SC
Yes,I see Avalon upped the hashrate to 64 gh,but the wattage is 400 watts now from 60 watts
? I think the power consumption must be a typo..............Edit : Nevermind,its self contained=No PC required,interesting..............
let the magic begin... abracadabra... puff ... 5 more Ghz for the SC Single
come on dude!
P.S.
did you ask them is such conversion is possible ?
@ Allcome on dude!
P.S.
did you ask them is such conversion is possible ?
Uh oh, A potentially dangerous time for BFL begins. A true test of economic foresight and planning.
Avalon just raised their proposed devices from 60Gh/s to 64Gh/s. Now some BFL buyers want the company to raise their Single SC to (magically?) 65Gh/s. Very evil if not totally genius of Avalon to do that at this particular time, LOL.
Every time BFL has to re-flash the devices it costs more time (and possibly money) and delays the shipments. Not to mention the operating temperature has to keep going down to keep the Single SC "cool enough".
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Well, keep this in mind, if too many BFL customers pull their money out by "refunds", it will leave the company deeply in debt. So don't rock the boat if you don't want to take a swim. It is safe to say that BFL has purchased quite a lot of hardware (hence the "free" order exchanges) with the anticipation that many more customers would be coming to them. But if there is a shortfall due to refunds then, all BFL customers will suffer from this.
Forgive them if they say "No" to the upgrades!
A new update from Avalon.
Anyone remember the original projections for the BItForce single in the end of 2011?
Wasn't it like 2Ghash/s @ 40 watts?
1GH/s @ 20W. Wasn't it like 2Ghash/s @ 40 watts?
let the magic begin... abracadabra... puff ... 5 more Ghz for the SC Single
come on dude!
P.S.
did you ask them is such conversion is possible ?
come on dude!
P.S.
did you ask them is such conversion is possible ?
come on dude!
P.S.
It could be easily done, did you not read the newsletter?
I was more concerned about BF straying from the first come first serve method, again..
Anyone remember the original projections for the BItForce single in the end of 2011?
Wasn't it like 2Ghash/s @ 40 watts?
Wasn't it like 2Ghash/s @ 40 watts?
let the magic begin... abracadabra... puff ... 5 more Ghz for the SC Single
come on dude!
P.S.
did you ask them is such conversion is possible ?
come on dude!
P.S.
did you ask them is such conversion is possible ?
The SC Single was originally 40Ghash, then upped to 60Ghash, then BFL said there is a minimum 20% headroom, so minimum 72Ghash is what it is capable of. They actually said the chip was running at 500Mhz to achieve 40Ghash, and is capable of 1Ghz, so 80Ghash, but not every chip might reach the full 1Ghz.
I have posted the question on their own forum and waiting for their reply: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/136-Petition-to-stabilise-price-structure-of-BFL-ASIC-hardware
don't give a shit, just want a demo of their spectactuarly fast mining hardware to believe it even exists.
let the magic begin... abracadabra... puff ... 5 more Ghz for the SC Single
come on dude!
P.S.
did you ask them is such conversion is possible ?
come on dude!
P.S.
did you ask them is such conversion is possible ?
The point is not like or dislike, the point is that SC LITTLE Single is better value, and had it been out for pre-order when ASIC was announced, then the SC LITTLE Singles are the ones I would go for.
BFL always boast about standing by existing customers, so they should make it up to those who pre-ordered SC Single before the SC LITTLE Single was announced.
Otherwise I would simply like an option to convert all my SC Single orders to SC LITTLE Singles.
BFL always boast about standing by existing customers, so they should make it up to those who pre-ordered SC Single before the SC LITTLE Single was announced.
Otherwise I would simply like an option to convert all my SC Single orders to SC LITTLE Singles.
I have the answer......IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN DON'T BUY IT. There are other companies making ASIC miners. So go buy one from them and stop complaining.
You beat me to it poon-TANG As it oftens happens
I have the answer......IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN DON'T BUY IT. There are other companies making ASIC miners. So go buy one from them and stop complaining.
Hi, this thread is created in response to the new LITTLE SC Single that is advertised as a 30Ghash unit.
With all other BFL products it has been the case that the more you pay the more you get.
But the new LITTLE SC Single ($649) makes the SC Single ($1299) appear uncompetitive, especially if you are investing a large amount of money for the purchase of over 10 units, in this case you would be interested in having some redundancy, which the LITTLE SC Single offers.
A thread that quickly highlights redundancy benefit is here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/new-sc-little-single-better-than-sc-single-118276
However if BFL releases a firmware for the SC Single ($1299) to run at 65Ghash, then this keeps the structure of "The more you pay the more value you get".
Also at 65Ghash per SC Single, it would still not out-compete the SC MiniRig.
With all other BFL products it has been the case that the more you pay the more you get.
But the new LITTLE SC Single ($649) makes the SC Single ($1299) appear uncompetitive, especially if you are investing a large amount of money for the purchase of over 10 units, in this case you would be interested in having some redundancy, which the LITTLE SC Single offers.
A thread that quickly highlights redundancy benefit is here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/new-sc-little-single-better-than-sc-single-118276
However if BFL releases a firmware for the SC Single ($1299) to run at 65Ghash, then this keeps the structure of "The more you pay the more value you get".
Also at 65Ghash per SC Single, it would still not out-compete the SC MiniRig.
Well if you intend to overclock the units then you pay the extra for the cooling and better performance.
You don't get more per $, whether you spend $649 or $1299, you get the same per $, but the more you spend the more value each $ should give you, this was always the price structure until the LITTLE SC Single broke it.
Hi, this thread is created in response to the new LITTLE SC Single that is advertised as a 30Ghash unit.
With all other BFL products it has been the case that the more you pay the more you get.
But the new LITTLE SC Single ($649) makes the SC Single ($1299) appear uncompetitive, especially if you are investing a large amount of money for the purchase of over 10 units, in this case you would be interested in having some redundancy, which the LITTLE SC Single offers.
A thread that quickly highlights redundancy benefit is here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/new-sc-little-single-better-than-sc-single-118276
However if BFL releases a firmware for the SC Single ($1299) to run at 65Ghash, then this keeps the structure of "The more you pay the more value you get".
Also at 65Ghash per SC Single, it would still not out-compete the SC MiniRig.
With all other BFL products it has been the case that the more you pay the more you get.
But the new LITTLE SC Single ($649) makes the SC Single ($1299) appear uncompetitive, especially if you are investing a large amount of money for the purchase of over 10 units, in this case you would be interested in having some redundancy, which the LITTLE SC Single offers.
A thread that quickly highlights redundancy benefit is here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/new-sc-little-single-better-than-sc-single-118276
However if BFL releases a firmware for the SC Single ($1299) to run at 65Ghash, then this keeps the structure of "The more you pay the more value you get".
Also at 65Ghash per SC Single, it would still not out-compete the SC MiniRig.
Uh,you pay 2 times as much & GET 2x as much...............I don't see your reasoning.Except in regards to the Jalapeno & 1,500 gh rig.............
If they release firmware to up the 60gh to 65gh,then I'm sure something similar will happen for the "Little" SC & MAYBE for the Jalapeno............
Posted on BFL's own forum, waiting for their reply https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/136-Petition-to-stabilise-price-structure-of-BFL-ASIC-hardware
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Having two 30Gh/s units instead of one 60Gh/s unit does not increase redundancy. It only decreases the "variance" of the lost hashing power due to downtime. Assuming the failure rates of both types are identical, the expected output of both setups is identical.
BFL can spec their devices any way they please. The only reason to complain about the Little SC would be if buyers were allowed to jump ahead of Jally/SC/Minirig preorders in shipping order.
Hmmm...I can see your redundancy argument, and I agree it's somewhat valid, but that will and should occur to anyone considering investing in the technology.
That redundancy will come with the cost of likely additional shipping, likely greater power consumption, more maintenance, greater chance of failure, & more usb ports required.
Neither option is a slam dunk win.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redundancy_(engineering)That redundancy will come with the cost of likely additional shipping, likely greater power consumption, more maintenance, greater chance of failure, & more usb ports required.
Neither option is a slam dunk win.
Having two 30Gh/s units instead of one 60Gh/s unit does not increase redundancy. It only decreases the "variance" of the lost hashing power due to downtime. Assuming the failure rates of both types are identical, the expected output of both setups is identical.
BFL can spec their devices any way they please. The only reason to complain about the Little SC would be if buyers were allowed to jump ahead of Jally/SC/Minirig preorders in shipping order.
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