I love this thread.
I don't, it irritates me that people haven't read the thread before posting, nor have they read the other 500 threads about the same topic.
Topic: (PETITION) The act of BUYING/SELLING Bitcointalk.org Accounts (Poll) - page 2. (Read 5599 times)
December 30, 2013, 10:29:32 PM
I don't, it irritates me that people haven't read the thread before posting, nor have they read the other 500 threads about the same topic.
December 30, 2013, 10:29:17 PM
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December 30, 2013, 09:38:16 PM
I love this thread.
December 30, 2013, 07:07:41 PM
Fellow Account-holders!
What's this I hear about banning the buying and selling of Bitcointalk accounts? Have we been sissified by statist stooges?! Would Ayn Rand allow such cloying nanny-state coddling on her forum? I ask you, Gentlemen, and I immediately answer: No and a thousand times NO!
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What's this I hear about banning the buying and selling of Bitcointalk accounts? Have we been sissified by statist stooges?! Would Ayn Rand allow such cloying nanny-state coddling on her forum? I ask you, Gentlemen, and I immediately answer: No and a thousand times NO!
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December 30, 2013, 06:24:43 PM
It is silly to allow accounts to be sold...it's basically people impersonating someone else in order to get trust which as I understand it is a big part of the BTC community.
December 30, 2013, 09:31:28 AM
I reckon the results would roughly been the same if we had another vote anyway.
The staff have already stated even if 100% voted for it to be disallowed it wouldn't stop it and they wouldn't enforce the rule. Remember that selling accounts doesn't always happen here at the forum. You have reddit and other websites. It would be very difficult to moderate and could result in banning people who haven't sold their account but have been inactive for a very long time.I see the only way to prevent this is to give whoever is selling accounts/trust negative trust ratings. But, even then that's meaningless.
You can't stop spamming or trolling either but you can put in measures to cut it down.
December 30, 2013, 09:05:56 AM
I reckon the results would roughly been the same if we had another vote anyway.
The staff have already stated even if 100% voted for it to be disallowed it wouldn't stop it and they wouldn't enforce the rule. Remember that selling accounts doesn't always happen here at the forum. You have reddit and other websites. It would be very difficult to moderate and could result in banning people who haven't sold their account but have been inactive for a very long time.I see the only way to prevent this is to give whoever is selling accounts/trust negative trust ratings. But, even then that's meaningless.
December 30, 2013, 08:55:15 AM
Don't get me wrong I don't care about the petition, I just wanted some drama I have popcorn waiting for it
Y u no post gif?
I've got a feeling I'm going to be seeing a lot of this gif around here.
I reckon the results would roughly been the same if we had another vote anyway.
December 30, 2013, 07:36:21 AM
Don't get me wrong I don't care about the petition, I just wanted some drama I have popcorn waiting for it
December 30, 2013, 07:29:56 AM
Where is part 2, petition?
Start one. Not that it'll probably make any difference though.
December 30, 2013, 07:13:59 AM
Where is part 2, petition?
December 25, 2013, 01:23:16 PM
I'll be collecting results of this poll in 3 more days.
To null the "it can't be enforced with 100% efficiency" argument, consider starting a poll about threads advertising buying and selling of accounts. It is possible to ban such threads, and ban users starting them.
Arguing that "it is better to allow selling accounts because when done in the open, people will know that it is happening" fails on a couple of levels.
First, most users don't know that this is happening. The TOS a user signs (not that anyone reads them) don't have a caplock clause "OH, AND BTW, ACCOUNTS ARE BOUGHT AND SOLD HERE, SO AN ESTABLISHED USER IS MOST LIKELY A SOCK ACCOUNT. Tnx."
Second, most laws are not enforced with total efficiency. Knowing that some murderers will go unpunished shouldn't be taken as a cue for legalizing murder.
Murders can't turn on Tor and 15 proxies in 30 seconds and become completely undetectable. Its openly allowed, because there is a very real possibility that 95+% of it couldn't be stopped. Sure we might catch the occasional moron who posts out in the open, but there would be plenty of people using bitmessage and tormail that could make good money off of bootlegged accounts. As it is now, hopefully people don't see 2 year old accounts as any more trustworthy than new members. If account selling was "banned" then people would start to trust that these old accounts are the original owners, and they should be trusted due to their time commitment. When in reality, they probably just bought the account for $20 on ebay, to pull a scam.
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December 25, 2013, 08:43:53 AM
Somebody PMd me offering to buy my account for 0.001BTC lol. That's about £0.40p. I doubt they'd even bother to send you any money first either. Probably just scam you out of your account.
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December 25, 2013, 05:34:14 AM
The best we could probably do is have an "account recovery code"... every account gets a magic code which can't be changed, which can be used to claw back the account at any time. This would make selling accounts slightly less safe because people could claw them back after payment was made.
Can't you just do that via forgot password/ secret question and get it sent back to your original email address, or can those things be easily changed as soon as someone gains access to the account?
December 25, 2013, 02:15:25 AM
I'll be collecting results of this poll in 3 more days.
To null the "it can't be enforced with 100% efficiency" argument, consider starting a poll about threads advertising buying and selling of accounts. It is possible to ban such threads, and ban users starting them.
Arguing that "it is better to allow selling accounts because when done in the open, people will know that it is happening" fails on a couple of levels.
First, most users don't know that this is happening. The TOS a user signs (not that anyone reads them) don't have a caplock clause "OH, AND BTW, ACCOUNTS ARE BOUGHT AND SOLD HERE, SO AN ESTABLISHED USER IS MOST LIKELY A SOCK ACCOUNT. Tnx."
Second, most laws are not enforced with total efficiency. Knowing that some murderers will go unpunished shouldn't be taken as a cue for legalizing murder.
Murders can't turn on Tor and 15 proxies in 30 seconds and become completely undetectable. Its openly allowed, because there is a very real possibility that 95+% of it couldn't be stopped. Sure we might catch the occasional moron who posts out in the open, but there would be plenty of people using bitmessage and tormail that could make good money off of bootlegged accounts. As it is now, hopefully people don't see 2 year old accounts as any more trustworthy than new members. If account selling was "banned" then people would start to trust that these old accounts are the original owners, and they should be trusted due to their time commitment. When in reality, they probably just bought the account for $20 on ebay, to pull a scam.
December 25, 2013, 02:08:55 AM
I can just imagine one of the big ASIC sellers , coming here with their hundreds of purchased accounts and down-voting this 
You mean up-voting. "Banning" account selling wouldn't stop it— it would only make it more effective because then fewer people would believe its happening.The best we could probably do is have an "account recovery code"... every account gets a magic code which can't be changed, which can be used to claw back the account at any time. This would make selling accounts slightly less safe because people could claw them back after payment was made.
December 24, 2013, 03:50:46 PM
I'll be collecting results of this poll in 3 more days.
To null the "it can't be enforced with 100% efficiency" argument, consider starting a poll about threads advertising buying and selling of accounts. It is possible to ban such threads, and ban users starting them.
Arguing that "it is better to allow selling accounts because when done in the open, people will know that it is happening" fails on a couple of levels.
First, most users don't know that this is happening. The TOS a user signs (not that anyone reads them) don't have a caplock clause "OH, AND BTW, ACCOUNTS ARE BOUGHT AND SOLD HERE, SO AN ESTABLISHED USER IS MOST LIKELY A SOCK ACCOUNT. Tnx."
Second, most laws are not enforced with total efficiency. Knowing that some murderers will go unpunished shouldn't be taken as a cue for legalizing murder.
December 23, 2013, 05:58:00 AM
I'll be collecting results of this poll in 3 more days.
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December 18, 2013, 12:35:13 PM
Send me all your bitcoins, I'm reliable! 
By the way, since it is impossible to enforce I just picked neutral.
By the way, since it is impossible to enforce I just picked neutral.
It's not impossible to enforce, but to enforce fully it is, but that doesn't mean we should let it happen or remain neutral. It's impossible to enforce fully the sale of child porn and weapons but I don't think that means we should take a neutral stance on it.
As you can see, the threat that anyone caught selling CP will be punished/ostracized has resulted in CP being sold in secret. The only way to reveal these secret trades is to put a stop to privacy. Thoughts?
I think people who buy/sell accounts should be ostracised. If somebody PMd me to try flog me CP, I'd report it, and I think we should treat the buying and sale of accounts in the same way. Obviously we can never stop the sale of accounts fully, but at least we can police it as a community and not tolerate it in an attempt to minimise their sale. It'd be a hell of a lot harder to buy and sell accounts if people were prohibited and wern't allowed to do so publicly, and if they did privately it'd be a reportable offence which could lead to a banning or being banned from PMing or whatnot.
December 18, 2013, 02:03:53 AM
Send me all your bitcoins, I'm reliable!
By the way, since it is impossible to enforce I just picked neutral.
By the way, since it is impossible to enforce I just picked neutral.
It's not impossible to enforce, but to enforce fully it is, but that doesn't mean we should let it happen or remain neutral. It's impossible to enforce fully the sale of child porn and weapons but I don't think that means we should take a neutral stance on it.
As you can see, the threat that anyone caught selling CP will be punished/ostracized has resulted in CP being sold in secret. The only way to reveal these secret trades is to put a stop to privacy. Thoughts?
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