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Quote from: gorgo on August 26, 2014, 05:06:26 AM

If you really want to take over cinni and he is not willing to do so you can do it anyway
The only thing you really need is the community behind you

1. gather the community
2. create a new thread
3. fork the cinnicoin repository
4. contact exchanges
5. proceed cinnicoin development with your new team

it would be easier if cinnicoindev agrees to hand over the thread and github repo but since it is all open source there are ways around that

As I've written on the CINNI thread, the concern, from a marketing perspective, is that, at least for a while, people searching on Google or Bing for CINNI will end up on a thread controlled (passively) by Cinnicoin "dev". No one's willing to commit any time, energy or resources to any development/marketing rescue plan that could conceivably at some point in time -- some critical point in time -- be held hostage by Cinnicoin "dev"'s absence, incompetence and/or passivity.

btw, he's been promising that his "plan" is coming "soon" for weeks, and who's to say, even if such a plan exists that it wouldn't conflict with any other plan. Just too much risk to try something new unless he's out and there's a responsive leadership team that coordinates and speaks with one voice.

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If you really want to take over cinni and he is not willing to do so you can do it anyway
The only thing you really need is the community behind you

1. gather the community
2. create a new thread
3. fork the cinnicoin repository
4. contact exchanges
5. proceed cinnicoin development with your new team

it would be easier if cinnicoindev agrees to hand over the thread and github repo but since it is all open source there are ways around that

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Quote from: sdersdf2 on August 26, 2014, 04:25:30 AM

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Can not we try to report the crime? It now seems that cinnicoin conscious people have scammed.

We can report it online, let the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) investigate it.

Government overregulation and interference in the economy has basically destroyed growth and innovation across the western world - crypto is one of the few free markets left. We should all try to keep it that way.

We're all responsible for the decisions we make or don't make in this ecosystem. What happened is not a crime requiring regulators. I think it's enough to simply post the facts of what happened (or rather, what didn't happen) so that people can make better informed decisions in the future going forward. With POD and other developments sure to come, the ecosystem will hopefully get a lot healthier and transparent, and better able to regulate itself.

The people looking to regulation now are forgetting one of the basic principles of crypto - that free informed people, eventually, are capable of self-regulating themselves for mutual benefit, with corrupt bureaucrats and governments bringing their own corruption into the mix. Well, at least, here's hoping.

Sorry, but I'm serious. I understand the government's story. But that is not a license for scammers. Hackers often steal bitcoin of people. Would you say that someone should do not make a report of it?

I never complained about my losses in other currencies. This is indeed a risk.

but cinnicoin deliberately people scammed.

so it seems anyway.

As far as the specifics of what Cinnicoin did or didn't do - I certainly think he's a joke and that he has mismanaged Cinnicoin into the ground. I still think Cinni can be rebuilt if he's kicked out. Going beyond that doesn't really help the situation.

As far as the separate example of hackers, obviously that's a crime, but that's not what Cinnicoin did. I think the biggest problem with Cinnicoin is that he iis passive (or pretends to be) and does nothing. I just wish he'd hand over the thread to someone who actually does something for Cinni.

On the larger issue of government interference - beware unintended consequences. I think what many of us have learned, and what brought many of us to crypto, is the awareness that many governments, regulators and bureaucrats often are not serving the public interest - they are often serving their own interests. Government interference is a Trojan Horse that turned what was once America, a constitutional republic, into a socialist cesspool of influence peddling and power concentrated among elites in Washington that would have made Louis XIV's Versailles blush. And it's turned much of Western Europe into a museum for Chinese tourists.

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Quote from: sdersdf2 on August 26, 2014, 04:25:30 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Can not we try to report the crime? It now seems that cinnicoin conscious people have scammed.

We can report it online, let the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) investigate it.

Government overregulation and interference in the economy has basically destroyed growth and innovation across the western world - crypto is one of the few free markets left. We should all try to keep it that way.

We're all responsible for the decisions we make or don't make in this ecosystem. What happened is not a crime requiring regulators. I think it's enough to simply post the facts of what happened (or rather, what didn't happen) so that people can make better informed decisions in the future going forward. With POD and other developments sure to come, the ecosystem will hopefully get a lot healthier and transparent, and better able to regulate itself.

The people looking to regulation now are forgetting one of the basic principles of crypto - that free informed people, eventually, are capable of self-regulating themselves for mutual benefit, with corrupt bureaucrats and governments bringing their own corruption into the mix. Well, at least, here's hoping.

Sorry, but I'm serious. I understand the government's story. But that is not a license for scammers. Hackers often steal bitcoin of people. Would you say that someone should do not make a report of it?

I never complained about my losses in other currencies. This is indeed a risk.

but cinnicoin deliberately people scammed.

so it seems anyway.

Unfortunately, I'm almost certain governments are going to start interfering with markets that have practices such as this. It's already happening to a certain degree. I have no doubt that a lot of the scammers in crypto are going to get away with it, I also have no doubt that some are going to land in hot water.

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Quote from: Schild_ on August 26, 2014, 03:35:19 AM

For Battbot I can't tell at all, but for Ryno my own synthesis is that he didn't try to scam anyone. I'll keep it simple by saying that, cause I don't have the time nor the energy to write a long speech about how and why i made that conclusion.

Of course, you are free to have your opinion on that one, but it becomes a bit of problem if your action have consequences for others. I mean... As long as you can't show clearly with perfect proofs that someone is a scammer, i'd not post things that can hurt his work, or reputation because he might be not guilty of what you think he's guilty for.

I posted the facts and leave it to people to interpret them for themselves. Also, this is an open, unmoderated, uncensored thread - unlike other threads. People are free to contest what I've written, although most of it is copy-paste of the facts. Interesting that no one's come to battbot's defense, except maybe Cinnicoin dev.

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Can not we try to report the crime? It now seems that cinnicoin conscious people have scammed.

We can report it online, let the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) investigate it.

Government overregulation and interference in the economy has basically destroyed growth and innovation across the western world - crypto is one of the few free markets left. We should all try to keep it that way.

We're all responsible for the decisions we make or don't make in this ecosystem. What happened is not a crime requiring regulators. I think it's enough to simply post the facts of what happened (or rather, what didn't happen) so that people can make better informed decisions in the future going forward. With POD and other developments sure to come, the ecosystem will hopefully get a lot healthier and transparent, and better able to regulate itself.

The people looking to regulation now are forgetting one of the basic principles of crypto - that free informed people, eventually, are capable of self-regulating themselves for mutual benefit, without corrupt bureaucrats and governments bringing their own corruption into the mix. Well, at least, here's hoping.

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loser you are loser Rynomster not ask you buy cinni. Cheesy

gameofcoin.

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Quote from: sdersdf2 on August 26, 2014, 02:54:33 AM

Quote from: Schild_ on August 25, 2014, 05:16:15 PM

Is this serious?

Let's stop wasting energy on that. Ryno isn't the monster painted here.
It is not a fair trial, and proof aren't loyal.

I like you a lot guys, but I cannot support you on that. Sad

I'm not privvy to everything you know about private conversations, but I'm sorry - I disagree with you on this based on what was posted publicly on the forum, available for everyone to see. People are free to look at all the facts presented and "interpret" for themselves.

And, again, I was willing to let all this go, and frankly dont care about the history itself anymore -- this is crypto, it is what it is and we are all, to one extent or another, self-interested here -- but having battbot come back to the CINNI thread to protest his innocence and whitewash what he did/said and when is just not something I can allow to stand.

For Battbot I can't tell at all, but for Ryno my own synthesis is that he didn't try to scam anyone. I'll keep it simple by saying that, cause I don't have the time nor the energy to write a long speech about how and why i made that conclusion.

Of course, you are free to have your opinion on that one, but it becomes a bit of problem if your action have consequences for others. I mean... As long as you can't show clearly with perfect proofs that someone is a scammer, i'd not post things that can hurt his work, or reputation because he might be not guilty of what you think he's guilty for.

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Quote from: Schild_ on August 25, 2014, 05:16:15 PM

Is this serious?

Let's stop wasting energy on that. Ryno isn't the monster painted here.
It is not a fair trial, and proof aren't loyal.

I like you a lot guys, but I cannot support you on that. Sad

I'm not privvy to everything you know about private conversations, but I'm sorry - I disagree with you on this based on what was posted publicly on the forum, available for everyone to see. People are free to look at all the facts presented and "interpret" for themselves.

And, again, I was willing to let all this go, and frankly dont care about the history itself anymore -- this is crypto, it is what it is and we are all, to one extent or another, self-interested here -- but having battbot come back to the CINNI thread to protest his innocence and whitewash what he did/said and when is just not something I can allow to stand.

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Quote from: Schild_ on August 25, 2014, 05:16:15 PM

Is this serious?

Let's stop wasting energy on that. Ryno isn't the monster painted here.
It is not a fair trial, and proof aren't loyal.

I like you a lot guys, but I cannot support you on that. Sad

Thank you Schild

Ignoring and removing posts is not fair too

What did they expect ? they force us to do it, that is the only way to find the true I'm afraid.

True always wins ! If you are clean and have got nothing to hide you will win.

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Quote from: rynomster on August 25, 2014, 06:01:07 PM

I had personal issues, I went away, and I started my own thing.. Where I could have control and oversee the project.
When I boarded CINNI, it was a sinking ship... How could I have ever dumped CINNI?

Cinnidev is a great guy, and when I left I did say publicly that he has the best intentions for CINNI.

If you want to talk, PM me or come on IRC. I'm always there.

was this all necessary ?
why didn't you reply at the begging instead of removing posts from your topic ?
sorry I don't want to be rude but hope not personal issues again
anyway thank you for the answer

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Quote from: pawlo74 on August 25, 2014, 12:11:17 PM

Quote from: HappyHogan on August 25, 2014, 12:09:41 PM

Quote from: sdersdf2 on August 25, 2014, 12:05:00 PM

Quote from: pawlo74 on August 25, 2014, 11:58:01 AM

Quote from: sdersdf2 on August 25, 2014, 11:52:41 AM

Quote from: HappyHogan on August 25, 2014, 11:36:18 AM

Quote from: DevCoder on August 25, 2014, 11:31:55 AM

Anyway...im done with u lying, ignorant peices of shit. I sold all my cinni at 16,000sat...enjoy your 800sat cinni.

Edit: 600sat cinni.

Enjoy the volume on Shadowcoin. It looks like the cryptocommunity is very keen on buying your coin.

This guy was never about the truth - only about promoting/defending whatever his interests are today. Today SDC (yesterday CINNI? if he's to be believed), tomorrow, some other blipcoin, Maybe rynomster's next coin.

Sad thing he and his group might be already involved in other projects.

LOL - probably. I mean, the return on their investment in SDC, at least for now, isn't looking all that great. On to the next blipcoin.

Yep, and you know some schmucks are going to buy into it again.... The tide's turning though. So many people are getting burnt, they're more and more moving their money into BTC and some other more established coins.

Funny, I hold some SDC too.

You better dump quick! TrollsRoyce AKA CoolStoryTeller own 1,8 million SDC and he is dumper. He dump cloak coin and crash price like falling stone.

I dump my SDC when this was uncovered. It is bad for 30% of coin for one investor.

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I had personal issues, I went away, and I started my own thing.. Where I could have control and oversee the project.
When I boarded CINNI, it was a sinking ship... How could I have ever dumped CINNI?

Cinnidev is a great guy, and when I left I did say publicly that he has the best intentions for CINNI.

If you want to talk, PM me or come on IRC. I'm always there.

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Quote from: sdersdf2 on August 25, 2014, 12:57:32 PM

Quote from: utclover on August 25, 2014, 12:43:43 PM

Quote from: DevCoder on August 25, 2014, 06:04:20 AM

As posted in CINNI thread, UTClover had 1/2 the coins of CINNI. He sold them off and EVERYONE else lost money.

oh please

who in their right mind believes that.
if i had half of cinni i would be effing rich.
i had at most 202,300 cinni ever!
sold low and didnt make much.
i am just a normal guy , not a whale or anything.

but when the pump group who pumped cinni were dumping on eachother, they used me as a scapegoat to point the finger at.

No way to know for sure, of course, but I really believe it was battbot, rynomster and maybe Cinnicoin dev and other insiders who kept dumping into all those attempts cinnicoin tried to make to rally through early summer.

I think they were dumping on knowledge that anon tech wasnt going to come out and the dev team would be exiting. They were notably silent on all the speculation of anonymous dirty whales that kept being discussed back and forth - probably because they were the whales.

There is something I can add about this... one of the reason i doubt this theory of the "united dev to scam us" is the lack of communication between the devs. They could not coordinate. For instance, Ryno is often on IRC, and batbott you could find there at some moment, but Cinnicoin was only talking to Ryno via PM which isn't immediate. I remember that well... they were not aware of what the other one was doing.

Cinnicoin thought Ryno wasn't living him for good, i guess. Probably Ryno thought he was out and it wasn't his duty to announce publicly he was gone... I dunno... it's only supposition... I think they might have misunderstood each other...

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Is this serious?

Let's stop wasting energy on that. Ryno isn't the monster painted here.
It is not a fair trial, and proof aren't loyal.

I like you a lot guys, but I cannot support you on that. Sad

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If Cinnicoin dev is Rynomster's group sock puppet account that explains why they don't want community handover.
Probably they will try to use Cinni again to make money because they now Cinni has potential future.
But first put the price down as low as possible to buy low sell high.

They put a lot of efforts to create that coin thought.
They made it quick to pump and dump that is why source code is a mess and staking issues.

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Quote from: utclover on August 25, 2014, 12:43:43 PM

Quote from: DevCoder on August 25, 2014, 06:04:20 AM

As posted in CINNI thread, UTClover had 1/2 the coins of CINNI. He sold them off and EVERYONE else lost money.

oh please

who in their right mind believes that.
if i had half of cinni i would be effing rich.
i had at most 202,300 cinni ever!
sold low and didnt make much.
i am just a normal guy , not a whale or anything.

but when the pump group who pumped cinni were dumping on eachother, they used me as a scapegoat to point the finger at.

No way to know for sure, of course, but I really believe it was battbot, rynomster and maybe Cinnicoin dev and other insiders who kept dumping into all those attempts cinnicoin tried to make to rally through early summer.

I think they were dumping on knowledge that anon tech wasnt going to come out and the dev team would be exiting. They were notably silent on all the speculation of anonymous dirty whales that kept being discussed back and forth - probably because they were the whales.

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Quote from: sdersdf2 on August 25, 2014, 12:14:21 PM

Quote from: HappyHogan on August 25, 2014, 12:09:41 PM

Quote from: sdersdf2 on August 25, 2014, 12:05:00 PM

Quote from: pawlo74 on August 25, 2014, 11:58:01 AM

Quote from: sdersdf2 on August 25, 2014, 11:52:41 AM

Quote from: HappyHogan on August 25, 2014, 11:36:18 AM

Quote from: DevCoder on August 25, 2014, 11:31:55 AM

Anyway...im done with u lying, ignorant peices of shit. I sold all my cinni at 16,000sat...enjoy your 800sat cinni.

Edit: 600sat cinni.

Enjoy the volume on Shadowcoin. It looks like the cryptocommunity is very keen on buying your coin.

This guy was never about the truth - only about promoting/defending whatever his interests are today. Today SDC (yesterday CINNI? if he's to be believed), tomorrow, some other blipcoin, Maybe rynomster's next coin.

Sad thing he and his group might be already involved in other projects.

LOL - probably. I mean, the return on their investment in SDC, at least for now, isn't looking all that great. On to the next blipcoin.

Yep, and you know some schmucks are going to buy into it again.... The tide's turning though. So many people are getting burnt, they're more and more moving their money into BTC and some other more established coins.

I dont know what you think of Ethereum (like the team, but not the way the ICO is structured, which functions more like a donation than an investment), but I think that's part of the heavy investment into Ethereum and other blockchain 2.0 stuff. Even Sys, which turned out to be a dud, but the heavy interest reflects strong interest in true innovation by professional teams (or teams that look professional and have street cred).

I think the mess we're seeing now is a transitory phase, hopefully to something better - the crap we've seen these past few months is unsustainable, for a host of reasons.

Still haven't looked into it yet, but meaning too. Just haven't had the chance yet and think I might wait until it actually starts being traded. I really like what Blackcoin is doing. Innovating like crazy with a whole bunch of enthusiasts and managing to grow besides the difficulty of holding onto people in the crypto market. They've also really putting an effort into getting accepted by merchants with some reasonable success. So recently decided to go in some more on Black. Though I don't own any NXT, I've also been pretty impressed by them, especially how they managed after the theft. Although I don't own any of the coins focused on anonymity, some of them do seem quite active like DRK and Monero. I think there' probably one to two dozen coins that have real development that will last through this ugly, ugly phase.

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Quote from: mr_random on August 25, 2014, 12:51:54 PM

Did the Cinni wallet ever get encrypted messaging working?

Very good question

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