Topic: Please, stop having children. (Discussion about overpopulation) - page 3. (Read 10776 times)

fortunately, it is not my case. :-D

If only human greed and the struggle for power didn't get in the way. I really want to do a social experiment (maybe I should look up if it's be done) that involves taking very intelligent, scientist like people and isolate them in their own society and see what develops there.

I like people who have kids they can't afford, because they are creating future sweat-shop workers.

Amen. I agree with you. Respect and humans right have to be the priority; anything else will come automatically (sustentability, for example).

The world cannot be overpopulated, so long as private property rights are understood and enforced. Have a million children if you so wish - it will create a million new minds and productive bodies. People, in general, are not parasites on the planet. We produce more than we consume, on net, and this computer on which I type is proof of that.

Overpopulation is a non-issue. The real issue is ensuring those who are born, live in a society that respects their individual rights.

lol I have one 4 year old with another due in September. Hoping child #3 will actually be child #3 AND #4 what with twins. Hoped the same thing for #2 but oh well. Yeah.... fuck you all ima overpopulating the world!

tradgedy of the commons etc ....
good point. I must have been in a bad mood last night ...

I think that population control should improve, but that doesn't mean we should kill people or make abortions, but improve education. Control population is not make population to decrease, but make it sustentable.

A population decrease can be bad as well, like in Europe, which is going to be the old-people home of the world.

Planet and its animals destroy many of us (nature lovers o not) every day...  nature doesn't matters about us, it isnt good or bad, so I dont care about its health more than about the ours.

 In fact, we are part of the earth, and therefore, kill ourselves implies kill the earth.

I like people that have no kids, because they are giving space for my future ones.

Our issue isnt living area for multiple billions extra, it is simply food/water resources.

Well hello tomorrow, hello technology... oh shit, we have religious nuts and tree hugging hippies.

Scientific world have tried numerious times to test new concepts ie. advancing technology of desalting seawater for drinkable water(yes its doable allready, just not affordably atm) , city center agriculture/skyscraper farms(this involves having farms of pretty much any type of vegetable/fruit inside skyscrapers specificly build for it)

Most of these advances are stunt by religious nuts/hippies who believe people should either live like nature or live by the bible(what a wealth of unusable dogma anyhow)

So personally I think the world will only be able to move into a genuine sustainable future when we start thinking(yes with our brains, not our hearts) and this would most likely only happen once we have decrease or eliminated the power religions who stick their fat fingers into our current futuristic lifestyle.

In terms of the entire world's population, those who can afford computers with GPUs are well off.

I've not read all of the thread, but what scares me is who is having children. It seems that the most intelligent people in society, the ones with good jobs etc. are having children at a later date, and they're having less children too. Whereas the poverty stricken African countries, and the underclass in western societies are spewing children.

Sounds a bit Nazi, but it's worrying. In the past survival of the fittest would have kicked in and only the best survived, but nowadays everyone survives and the best aren't reproducing enough.

Because free money couldn't possibly appeal to the lower classes 


I have nothing else to add ...

If you're a total utilitarian, you shouldn't be arguing for population control.
If you're an average utilitarian, you shouldn't be arguing for population control among the well-off. (which I presume bitcoin users are)

But the point is that for long term sustainability, there needs to be some kind of population control in place. In abesence of that, the meme-complexes that encourage child bearing end up populating the majority of the future. These could be fundamental christians or muslims or simply thoughtless people(the idiocracy argument)

For those who think the idiocracy argument is bunk, the  average human IQ has along way to go UP before the idiocracy effect starts showing up. The increase of IQ is due to better living standards and higher birth weights as poverty reduces in China and India.
But the idiocracy effect is real. I live in India, the world's 2nd most populated country. I'm tentative about having more than 1 kid, since i worry about the cost of good school and college. My housemaid already has two kids since she doesn't look that far into the future(atleast not for college) Multiply that by 10s of milliions and multiple generations and you have idiocracy.

The need is real, but the institutions are not in place for generalised human population control. All of humanity is divided in nations that take their individual shrinking as a threat. We humans have behaved abhorably towards each other for centuries. We simply are not at that stage of civilization where we can institute population control and people will comply seeing the "logic" of it. Any general attempt to reduce numbers will be followed by a long round of finger pointing  - you first.

In this stage of human civilization, humanity is what is to be improved and the way to do that is also through humanity. Such appeals are good only for restricting the number of the well read and the  conscientious. So, you will end up restricting the people who can solve the main problem , which for  a lack of a better term, I would term - real long term world peace. And only after humanity attains real long term world peace can we sincerely attempt population control, which will not be followed by backlashes.

If we want population control right now, we need to establish institutions that will lead to peaceful global human interaction.

My favourite means of conducting population control would be tradeable child credits given to every young woman in the world. Let those who want more children buy the credits from those who don't want to have children or have other priorities in life, for which they ahve to sacrifice having children. This  would be possible only after world peace.

tbats contradict most humans i knew, family principles/eduaction/traditions.
and also smashing/bombing/shooting other people usually works better. in both senses and in both ways.
and thats why its works EXACTLY that way in 95% cases.

Really? I laughed.

Oh christ.

I present to you:

The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

http://www.vhemt.org/

This is not a problem. It is known that when a population becomes wealthy then the birth rate drops by itself (even below self-sustaining levels).

Natural desasters are worst than human disasters: huracans an tsunamis cause deforestation, for example. Humans can restore nature faster than nature alone, as well. Humans can bring to life extincts species, even spicies that have been stinct by natural disasters.

Idiots think that stupid people have to commit suicide/ Pure hypocresy.

HAaaa


IMO suicide should be a basic human right because, let's face it no one wants to live on a planet full of jerks garbage and radioactive waste. Fapping themselves to sleep every night while the people causing the serious, widespread, immediately life threatening problems that affect the entire planet's population get to fly around in aeroplanes. Fucking up the atmosphere even more. That's just downright lame.

In other words if you'd like to escape this shit hole via suicide you deserve a voice in the matter. Instead of being force fed a steady stream of propaganda by family members, social media platforms, and educators [spiritual or otherwise].

On the other hand I don't think you should kill yourself just because we have a burgeoning population and some people told you to do so on the internet.

Also I can confirm, lower birth rates have been correlated to education for women.

So if you really want Africa to stop producing lots of kids, stabilizing the continent, stopping the rape, and setting up schools and hospitals like our Multinational corporation have been promising we'd do for generations now, would be a top priority. Seeing as you don't care, Basiley, and would like to pick more fights we can't win I suggest you stfu