Poker casino but need KYC, is this really necessary? - page 8.

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Quote from: ChuckBuck on July 29, 2021, 01:56:12 AM

But, have you ever been asked for KYC to be able to play and withdraw in Poker? Rarely do I see a casino asking for that, until today I have access to a new platform where we play Poker PvP on a download app.

Since we don't know the casino, if that's a fiat casino, most of the time KYC is mandatory there because transactions and fundings are made through bank accounts. But for crypto casinos, there shouldn't be a KYC as a requirement to withdraw.

May we know the casino? Don't worry it's not a form of promoting them. I'm just curious since it's only a few I think that there's a crypto gambling site that has its own download app version. I've encountered the same before but that was years ago and I can't remember the name.

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I don't think there should be any KYC in place to withdraw the funds because we are compromising with the features at a crypto-based casino to a fiat casino because we feel that it's anonymous. I am not a huge poker player so I don't know if cheating or anything is possible in such games but as long as the game can't be cheated in any way, I don't think there is any need for KYC.

Quote from: ChuckBuck on July 29, 2021, 01:56:12 AM

Yesterday, I was introduced to a new gambling platform by a friend, namely that I can play Poker there directly with other people through their app. Yesterday, I was introduced to a new gambling platform by a friend, namely that I can play Poker there directly with other people through their app.

Might want to edit the repeated lines, mate.

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Quote from: ChuckBuck on July 29, 2021, 01:15:06 PM

So that means, in this case, you are willing to do KYC to be able to continue to experience this platform, as well as earn some extra money for newbies in their program. Well, one option might be good for you Cheesy

I would emphasize that it all depends on how the user responds to it. On the other hand, KYC is often considered a bad thing, because your identity is handed over in any place. But that's regardless of how one has his or her point of view. We sometimes often forbid people to do KYC, but on the other hand we don't realize we have ever KYC without further thought. Even we have forgotten how many times we do kYC for some sake.

Are you sure that your data is still safe until now and can it be proven?
I'm not going to be a hypocrite in this matter, because honestly I feel that I've unknowingly been KYC in the past. And till now I don't have any problem regarding KYC. Because of that I do not deny something that should be conveyed based on experience.
Not all KYC is bad, you may have KYC for the sake of creating a bank account, does that sound bad? neither is it?

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on July 29, 2021, 09:30:55 AM

It is very difficult when faced with this kind of choice. I am frequently asked by some friends who are still gambling on sites that ask you to require KYC. Maybe some people will choose to do it, because there you have the money you have to get. And so far, gambling sites that use crypto don't really require us to KYC. simply register using your email or phone number, you are free to gamble with any bet. Then at the time of withdrawal you do not need to do KYC.

each of us has reasons that can justify us doing that...

I will also definitely do KYC if faced with such a choice. $ 200 here is a pretty big amount for me. Cheated or not, the consequences must be accepted because that's my choice to do KYC there.

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Similarly, there are many sportsbooks that require document verification even before you register while some will not ask for documents at all. For example, I remember a site I visited something named like btb88 was asking for verification as soon as you make an account while a site like sportsbet.io doesn't ask for documents at all unless there is a dispute.

Some casinos/sportsbook take verification very seriously while some just don't ask for anything so it depends on what kind of casino you are playing at. I don't mind giving out my identity to a verified and trusted platform but I won't be doing the same to a new casino without any history.

I have never bet on btb88 including betting on the sports book if so I know now of course I will not create an account there if I am first asked for documents to complete the account profile, and indeed this is one of their seriousness to bring the site better , behind all that there must be someone who refuses about the documents that the site wants.

I will also give proper KYC to betting sites if I already know the ins and outs, meaning a lot of positive feedback about the casino then I don't mind, then if asked for a new site then I will also think twice and not do it.

Sportsbet and FortuneJack those big sports sites don't ask for KYC.

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Quote from: ChuckBuck on July 29, 2021, 01:56:12 AM

What do you think about this issue? Do you want to do KYC just for gambling on any platform?
Also added that they are giving new users registered through their referral link some money, and they also require KYC to receive it. I heard that this amount is up to 200$, if you are, would you like to sell your identity to get this money?

For a new site I would not, they must establish their reputation first before I do KYC, that bonus is just to entice you to give you all your vital details, we have seen it on so many airdrops, they are giving away useless tokens in exchange for your vital information, which they will sell in the black market, they can make money from selling this information.

I prefer doing KYC to an old and reputable gambling sites, they have a reputation to protect and adhere to government regulations.

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Quote from: Slow death on July 29, 2021, 08:57:46 AM

the big problem with doing KYC in casinos is the following:

1 - No one knows who the casino owners are

2 - no one knows the casino's headquarters. I speak of physical office

3 - no one knows where the casino keeps people's documents

4 - there is no government entity that can help you in case you complain about the casino being demanding in terms of KYC

How can someone feel safe doing KYC in a casino where the person doesn't know the casino owners? how can it be fair for someone to hand over documents to an internet stranger?

this is unfair

Exactly this, in the end you are giving away your data to an entity that one day might become anything else or, worse, get hacked and eventually you will find your ID and sensitive data sold on the darkmarket for a few satoshis. That is, IMO, a risk too high to be accepted, hence I will never undergo any KYC with such services. Even the few exchanges I am using were carefully picked before abiding KYC.

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Quote from: Darker45 on July 29, 2021, 09:31:04 AM

I definitely am not a fan of KYC but I am not avoiding it like a plague either. I mean, if I have the option to avoid KYC or use an alternative which does not require KYC, I'd prefer it. But if there is no other option, I might comply. The exact thing I did with centralized exchanges.

Surely, however, this is definitely not the only platform which offers poker with crypto. So I guess there is no reason for you to stick to it. Go find another one. There's probably a handful of other options for you.

Everyone has thoughts about doing KYC or not. It depends on how the site enforces the rules that players need to follow. Therefore you need to read the rules before continuing to play. So if there are rules that you think will be very detrimental to one party, then use the option to continue or switch to another casino.

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Quote from: harizen on July 30, 2021, 02:36:00 AM

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Simply, if you don't like their KYC policy, find another site.

^ Definitely right it is a very simple and basic answer. There are too many gambling sites that you can choose from that there is no need for a KYC verification or implementation, if you don't like that site then, it is time for you to move on to other gambling sites. But if you are going to ask me, I don't have a problem if I will comply with a KYC verification as long as I can trust the site that is fine with me to submit my documents. Nevertheless, probably we can first clarify the term of use before using the gambling site that we can gamble.

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I do not want to do KYC just for gambling because that is not worth doing. I am better to search for the other gambling site which does not require KYC for their members. Besides that, I do not playing gambling very often so I will skip on that site if I see they require KYC. I am not good at searching for referrals through referral links so I do not think I will still use that site.

Maybe you don't gamble very often, but what do you think about doing KYC and getting their $200 withdrawable tokens? I think it's an attractive proposition, do you think you will KYC to receive it?

I still do not want to do KYC, even if that is about $200 that I can withdrawable as you say because my identity will be more than $200 and even more. I still prefer to search for the other gambling site that does not need KYC to protect my identity. Maybe others are willing to receive that $200 or more because they really want to get a big bonus from the site but I still do not want to do that.

I only think about protecting my identity and I do not want to give it to a site that I do not use seriously.

I have the same thought as you, our personal data is far more important than the $200 bonus that a gambling site will give. But everyone's
financial needs are different, I wouldn't blame people who are willing to KYC procedures for $200. Maybe for some people $ 200 is very important
to be able to buy daily necessities, but I will not exchange my personal data for $200. Moreover, there are still many choices of gambling sites that
we can use without the need for KYC procedures, so for now I avoid gambling sites that apply KYC.

Maybe they can borrow the other people or their friends to verify themselves by sending their documents to that casino. I think that will be okay for them as the casino will not check the real identity of that person. But it will not recommend doing that as we do not know what will happen to the person who has that documents. We are playing gambling, so we only want to spend our free time, so we do not have to think too seriously, especially sending private documents to the casino.

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Quote from: ChuckBuck on July 29, 2021, 01:56:12 AM

What do you think about this issue? Do you want to do KYC just for gambling on any platform?

I'd rather comply with KYC on crypto exchanges rather than on a crypto gambling platform. That shouldn't be the environment in the crypto-gambling world.

But there are considerations such as if I hit a big winning amount that I can't imagine to win then the site told me to comply with KYC before they will release it, I will undergo KYC or something along those lines.

Quote from: ChuckBuck on July 29, 2021, 01:56:12 AM

I won't post information about that platform, because I don't want to be told that I'm promoting them Cheesy

Simply, if you don't like their KYC policy, find another site.

If you really need to play on that site, for personal reasons or so, then no choice but to comply with it to avoid any problems in the future.

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I do not want to do KYC just for gambling because that is not worth doing. I am better to search for the other gambling site which does not require KYC for their members. Besides that, I do not playing gambling very often so I will skip on that site if I see they require KYC. I am not good at searching for referrals through referral links so I do not think I will still use that site.

Maybe you don't gamble very often, but what do you think about doing KYC and getting their $200 withdrawable tokens? I think it's an attractive proposition, do you think you will KYC to receive it?

I still do not want to do KYC, even if that is about $200 that I can withdrawable as you say because my identity will be more than $200 and even more. I still prefer to search for the other gambling site that does not need KYC to protect my identity. Maybe others are willing to receive that $200 or more because they really want to get a big bonus from the site but I still do not want to do that.

I only think about protecting my identity and I do not want to give it to a site that I do not use seriously.

I have the same thought as you, our personal data is far more important than the $200 bonus that a gambling site will give. But everyone's
financial needs are different, I wouldn't blame people who are willing to KYC procedures for $200. Maybe for some people $ 200 is very important
to be able to buy daily necessities, but I will not exchange my personal data for $200. Moreover, there are still many choices of gambling sites that
we can use without the need for KYC procedures, so for now I avoid gambling sites that apply KYC.

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Quote from: ChuckBuck on July 29, 2021, 01:15:06 PM

Quote from: michellee on July 29, 2021, 09:10:31 AM

I do not want to do KYC just for gambling because that is not worth doing. I am better to search for the other gambling site which does not require KYC for their members. Besides that, I do not playing gambling very often so I will skip on that site if I see they require KYC. I am not good at searching for referrals through referral links so I do not think I will still use that site.

Maybe you don't gamble very often, but what do you think about doing KYC and getting their $200 withdrawable tokens? I think it's an attractive proposition, do you think you will KYC to receive it?

I still do not want to do KYC, even if that is about $200 that I can withdrawable as you say because my identity will be more than $200 and even more. I still prefer to search for the other gambling site that does not need KYC to protect my identity. Maybe others are willing to receive that $200 or more because they really want to get a big bonus from the site but I still do not want to do that.

I only think about protecting my identity and I do not want to give it to a site that I do not use seriously.

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$200 is too cheap. I rather not play in a casino demanding for KYC verification before I can withdraw. I love been anonymous with crypto gambling because it saves the stress of unnecessary monitoring from most agencies. Leaving my data with an online casino is really not safe for me because my data can actually be given out to government agencies if need be mostly for taxations and it would also expose my wallet address which I for ever love to keep anonymous

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It's rather difficult to give opinions. A private kit does basically do not like the KYC system where we submit our data to them, and we do not know whether the data is really safe until any time. But this is one of the risks of KYC if we do it or force it.

For poker sites or online gambling sites, sometimes KYC / AML itself is needed by the platform. Usually, this is related to the T & C policy in them. Basically, there are several platforms that do not allow citizens from certain countries to use their sites, so as to prove that the person is not a citizen concerned, then KYC / AML is carried out.
And this might be related to the privacy policy and also the law on the platform. Because it could be that they get sanctions if it is known to provide services for the restricted countries.

But if you don't like KYC, it will be better if you choose a platform that is really free without KYC.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on July 29, 2021, 05:59:27 PM

Quote from: just_Alice on July 29, 2021, 05:52:21 PM

It depends on personal preferences, not everyone thinks KYC is bad. But you're right that it makes no sense: why does that casino deal with crypto and, at the same time, requires KYC from everyone? In any case, it's good that the casino was straightforward about that and it didn't came out as a total surprise when you've won a ton of money and need to withdraw (which happens A LOT).

Be careful with that $200 bonus though, read the rules carefully, it seems like too much money to just give away to every user, there might be a rollover requirement or something of the sort.

When it comes to bonuses then roll over is something in default attached to it. Grin

Crpyto casinos are still regulated but since its on the sense that it is attached with crypto then KYC is really contradictory on overall essence which is totally opposing.

It is just depending on someone if they would really be complying it out or would skip and find another place.

As there are many options these days when it comes to reputable crypto casinos that don't require KYC, if it is important for you about this requirement, then don't play on that site. Because we really don't know where our info end up with. As much as possible, limit the number of sites where you send your KYC details. And if you have other options why not? Bonuses are just attraction from potential players, but of course, there's more to it.

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Quote from: just_Alice on July 29, 2021, 05:52:21 PM

It depends on personal preferences, not everyone thinks KYC is bad. But you're right that it makes no sense: why does that casino deal with crypto and, at the same time, requires KYC from everyone? In any case, it's good that the casino was straightforward about that and it didn't came out as a total surprise when you've won a ton of money and need to withdraw (which happens A LOT).

Be careful with that $200 bonus though, read the rules carefully, it seems like too much money to just give away to every user, there might be a rollover requirement or something of the sort.

When it comes to bonuses then roll over is something in default attached to it. Grin

Crpyto casinos are still regulated but since its on the sense that it is attached with crypto then KYC is really contradictory on overall essence which is totally opposing.

It is just depending on someone if they would really be complying it out or would skip and find another place.

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It depends on personal preferences, not everyone thinks KYC is bad. But you're right that it makes no sense: why does that casino deal with crypto and, at the same time, requires KYC from everyone? In any case, it's good that the casino was straightforward about that and it didn't came out as a total surprise when you've won a ton of money and need to withdraw (which happens A LOT).

Be careful with that $200 bonus though, read the rules carefully, it seems like too much money to just give away to every user, there might be a rollover requirement or something of the sort.

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This is a difficult question. I understand that many people want to keep their identity private on the Internet, but when money is involved criminal activities are not far. Without any regulation, online casinos can be misused fot money laundering purposes. KYC is needed to prevent that. Let's say you have some illegal money and would like to wash it, you could sit down at poker table and just lose all the money to a buddy of yours. He will just withdraw and pay some taxes on it as legitimate poker earnings.

That's as easy as possible if look at it that way and the need for KYC will be mandatory if they have this kind of hole. Money laundering would be easy in that way. as we can see, they are using this kind of trick too because they hold a huge amount of money and don't want to give some taxes to their government. Looks like when you have lots of cash you will have a big problem too. Therefor, it is necessary to have this feature when people exploiting your site for some personal purposes.

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Quote from: Slow death on July 29, 2021, 08:57:46 AM

this is unfair

Yes, we know nothing about them, but they are wanting to know all about us. Oh no, they are not the one who knows all about us, they do KYC through a third party, who knows, what that third party will do with our information. It is bringing us back to the question, what risks does KYC pose...

Quote from: Sterbens on July 29, 2021, 09:09:21 AM

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So that means, in this case, you are willing to do KYC to be able to continue to experience this platform, as well as earn some extra money for newbies in their program. Well, one option might be good for you Cheesy

Quote from: michellee on July 29, 2021, 09:10:31 AM

I do not want to do KYC just for gambling because that is not worth doing. I am better to search for the other gambling site which does not require KYC for their members. Besides that, I do not playing gambling very often so I will skip on that site if I see they require KYC. I am not good at searching for referrals through referral links so I do not think I will still use that site.

Maybe you don't gamble very often, but what do you think about doing KYC and getting their $200 withdrawable tokens? I think it's an attractive proposition, do you think you will KYC to receive it?

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