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Quote from: spike420211 on September 02, 2020, 03:19:04 PM

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I think you're overestimating luck. It plays a very important role in every single tournament, locally, over a short distance.
But if we take a large sample of tournaments, then luck will be much less important.~

As an aspiring poker player myself, I can say that it is better to overestimate luck than underestimate it. There is a dangerous trap waiting in the path of a "shark", namely, the illusion that you are unbeatable. Some well-known poker pros lost a lot of money because of falling into this trap. Imo, it is always better to think that you were lucky in the case of winning, and to think that you were not skillful enough in the case of losing. It is a good strategy for improving your skills, and not falling into the trap I mentioned.

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on August 30, 2020, 12:20:28 PM

in that one tournament, yes, luck will be a big determining factor. a single suckout can knock the best player out of the game. however, if you run that same tournament 1000 times, i am confident the best players will cash statistically more often. that's what i'm getting at.

Agreed. But that would take like 3 years of playing.

not necessarily. in fact, that's the beauty of online poker. between stacked tourney schedules and multi-tabling, online players can get way, way more games in than live players. if it would take 3 years live, it might take 3 months online.

But would not that be too bad for the player? I mean what if he got the same schedule of playing at the same time is that even legal? I'm just wondering if ever that there is 2 casino who got the same player with their tournament. But to be honest, it is more enjoyable playing poker in live than online, the interaction between the players gives more about than what they said.

In that case the player need to fix his schedule or pass that tournament to others since its not possible to play it at the same time with two different website tournament.

Having it online make it possible to other players to play from different location and that I think the advantage for poker players that want to play online than in live .

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on September 01, 2020, 02:27:40 PM

not necessarily. in fact, that's the beauty of online poker. between stacked tourney schedules and multi-tabling, online players can get way, way more games in than live players. if it would take 3 years live, it might take 3 months online.

But would not that be too bad for the player? I mean what if he got the same schedule of playing at the same time is that even legal? I'm just wondering if ever that there is 2 casino who got the same player with their tournament.

there's a big difference between playing multiple tables at once (multi-tabling) and using multiple accounts in the same tournament (multi-accounting).

multi-accounting is prohibited but there is nothing wrong with multi-tabling. it's win-win, really. players can get a lot more hands in, which is good for profitable players riding out variance, and everyone benefits from the increased player liquidity. if everyone were only allowed one table at a time, there would be way less players sitting at ring games and playing in tournaments.

Quote from: Twentyonepaylots on September 01, 2020, 04:46:53 PM

But to be honest, it is more enjoyable playing poker in live than online, the interaction between the players gives more about than what they said.

to each their own! i love both. the problem with live games is they are slow, and riding out losing/break-even stretches takes a lot longer since you're seeing so much less action than online.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 27, 2020, 09:21:56 AM

As a poker player, you know yourself that it's always X% and Y% of skill. I personally think that luck plays huge part in poker, maybe 60%, but, on the other hand, it's not like in slots or dice, which are 100% luck based. That's why I would call poker a skill based game, where luck still plays a big part.

re the short run, i would agree. in the long run---unless you happen to be extremely lucky or unlucky statistically---i truly believe it boils down to skill much more than that. this is especially true IMO because skilled players know how to read hand ranges, employ pot odds, prevent tilt, control pot size, etc to give themselves an additional edge so it's not purely based on the chance of hand A winning vs hand B.

If you mean experienced vs inexperienced player, I totally agree with you. But there are thousands of pretty good poker players in the world, and when, say, a 100 of them meet in a tournament with 20 paid places, it depends 90% on luck, who of them will end up ITM.

I personally think that today any online poker tournament with $100+ prize pool attracts several such players, and who of them will win depends mostly on luck.

Basically, that's what I mean when saying "luck still plays a big part". I don't take inexperienced players into account.

I think you're overestimating luck. It plays a very important role in every single tournament, locally, over a short distance.
But if we take a large sample of tournaments, then luck will be much less important. In fact, every decision made in a tournament has an aspect of luck, but if we sum it up, we can see that the main factor is skill.

Since the quantity and quality of your decisions depends on how large the factor of luck will be, both locally and globally.
The shorter the distance, the higher the factor, the longer it is, the lower it is.

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Quote from: Twentyonepaylots on September 01, 2020, 04:46:53 PM

Quote from: figmentofmyass on September 01, 2020, 02:27:40 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on September 01, 2020, 02:55:47 AM

Quote from: figmentofmyass on August 30, 2020, 12:20:28 PM

in that one tournament, yes, luck will be a big determining factor. a single suckout can knock the best player out of the game. however, if you run that same tournament 1000 times, i am confident the best players will cash statistically more often. that's what i'm getting at.

Agreed. But that would take like 3 years of playing.

not necessarily. in fact, that's the beauty of online poker. between stacked tourney schedules and multi-tabling, online players can get way, way more games in than live players. if it would take 3 years live, it might take 3 months online.

But would not that be too bad for the player? I mean what if he got the same schedule of playing at the same time is that even legal? I'm just wondering if ever that there is 2 casino who got the same player with their tournament.

Yes, it is absolutely legal to play different games at the same time on an online poker site. Good poker sites make it as convenient as possible to do so. What is illegal is to have multiple accounts and play with two, or more of them, in the same tournament or cash game.

Quote from: Twentyonepaylots on September 01, 2020, 04:46:53 PM

But to be honest, it is more enjoyable playing poker in live than online, the interaction between the players gives more about than what they said

There are ways to read your opponent in an online game. Factors to consider are:

1. the previous behaviour of the player;

2. time he's taking on making a decision;

3. the size of his bet;

4. and even what he's saying in the chat.

You don't necessarily need to see the face of the player to read him/her. That's why good live poker players do well in online games too:

If you love to play poker, you enjoy it both ways.

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on September 01, 2020, 02:27:40 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on September 01, 2020, 02:55:47 AM

Quote from: figmentofmyass on August 30, 2020, 12:20:28 PM

in that one tournament, yes, luck will be a big determining factor. a single suckout can knock the best player out of the game. however, if you run that same tournament 1000 times, i am confident the best players will cash statistically more often. that's what i'm getting at.

Agreed. But that would take like 3 years of playing.

not necessarily. in fact, that's the beauty of online poker. between stacked tourney schedules and multi-tabling, online players can get way, way more games in than live players. if it would take 3 years live, it might take 3 months online.

But would not that be too bad for the player? I mean what if he got the same schedule of playing at the same time is that even legal? I'm just wondering if ever that there is 2 casino who got the same player with their tournament. But to be honest, it is more enjoyable playing poker in live than online, the interaction between the players gives more about than what they said.

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Quote from: Betwrong on September 01, 2020, 02:55:47 AM

Quote from: figmentofmyass on August 30, 2020, 12:20:28 PM

in that one tournament, yes, luck will be a big determining factor. a single suckout can knock the best player out of the game. however, if you run that same tournament 1000 times, i am confident the best players will cash statistically more often. that's what i'm getting at.

Agreed. But that would take like 3 years of playing.

not necessarily. in fact, that's the beauty of online poker. between stacked tourney schedules and multi-tabling, online players can get way, way more games in than live players. if it would take 3 years live, it might take 3 months online.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 27, 2020, 09:21:56 AM

As a poker player, you know yourself that it's always X% and Y% of skill. I personally think that luck plays huge part in poker, maybe 60%, but, on the other hand, it's not like in slots or dice, which are 100% luck based. That's why I would call poker a skill based game, where luck still plays a big part.

It's a game of probability but I think It's possible to predict your opponents better than what people think is possible.
In regards to dice(esp physical ones), I believe you can find/notice patterns, behaviors, sounds, features etc you could use to your advantage. I guess you'll need to train yourself to identify them.

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on August 30, 2020, 12:20:28 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 29, 2020, 05:02:46 AM

Quote from: figmentofmyass on August 27, 2020, 05:52:42 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 27, 2020, 09:21:56 AM

As a poker player, you know yourself that it's always X% and Y% of skill. I personally think that luck plays huge part in poker, maybe 60%, but, on the other hand, it's not like in slots or dice, which are 100% luck based. That's why I would call poker a skill based game, where luck still plays a big part.

re the short run, i would agree. in the long run---unless you happen to be extremely lucky or unlucky statistically---i truly believe it boils down to skill much more than that. this is especially true IMO because skilled players know how to read hand ranges, employ pot odds, prevent tilt, control pot size, etc to give themselves an additional edge so it's not purely based on the chance of hand A winning vs hand B.

If you mean experienced vs inexperienced player, I totally agree with you. But there are thousands of pretty good poker players in the world, and when, say, a 100 of them meet in a tournament with 20 paid places, it depends 90% on luck, who of them will end up ITM.

in that one tournament, yes, luck will be a big determining factor. a single suckout can knock the best player out of the game. however, if you run that same tournament 1000 times, i am confident the best players will cash statistically more often. that's what i'm getting at.

Agreed. But that would take like 3 years of playing. Also, we would have to assume that: a) weak players don't improve their skills over time; or b) some fresh weak players join the game all the time(which seems more realistic than the former scenario, and, in fact, that's what actually happening). So, yeah, with the exception of some crazy outliers, skillful players should perform better overall.

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on August 30, 2020, 12:20:28 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 29, 2020, 05:02:46 AM

Quote from: figmentofmyass on August 27, 2020, 05:52:42 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 27, 2020, 09:21:56 AM

As a poker player, you know yourself that it's always X% and Y% of skill. I personally think that luck plays huge part in poker, maybe 60%, but, on the other hand, it's not like in slots or dice, which are 100% luck based. That's why I would call poker a skill based game, where luck still plays a big part.

re the short run, i would agree. in the long run---unless you happen to be extremely lucky or unlucky statistically---i truly believe it boils down to skill much more than that. this is especially true IMO because skilled players know how to read hand ranges, employ pot odds, prevent tilt, control pot size, etc to give themselves an additional edge so it's not purely based on the chance of hand A winning vs hand B.

If you mean experienced vs inexperienced player, I totally agree with you. But there are thousands of pretty good poker players in the world, and when, say, a 100 of them meet in a tournament with 20 paid places, it depends 90% on luck, who of them will end up ITM.

in that one tournament, yes, luck will be a big determining factor. a single suckout can knock the best player out of the game. however, if you run that same tournament 1000 times, i am confident the best players will cash statistically more often. that's what i'm getting at.

Definately right on this one. One game anyone can lose but playing winning poker over the course of a large amount of games the better players will ALWAYS win out. Its definately not 90% luck who ends up in the money poker is not a game of chance like roulette or craps.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 29, 2020, 05:02:46 AM

Quote from: figmentofmyass on August 27, 2020, 05:52:42 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 27, 2020, 09:21:56 AM

As a poker player, you know yourself that it's always X% and Y% of skill. I personally think that luck plays huge part in poker, maybe 60%, but, on the other hand, it's not like in slots or dice, which are 100% luck based. That's why I would call poker a skill based game, where luck still plays a big part.

re the short run, i would agree. in the long run---unless you happen to be extremely lucky or unlucky statistically---i truly believe it boils down to skill much more than that. this is especially true IMO because skilled players know how to read hand ranges, employ pot odds, prevent tilt, control pot size, etc to give themselves an additional edge so it's not purely based on the chance of hand A winning vs hand B.

If you mean experienced vs inexperienced player, I totally agree with you. But there are thousands of pretty good poker players in the world, and when, say, a 100 of them meet in a tournament with 20 paid places, it depends 90% on luck, who of them will end up ITM.

in that one tournament, yes, luck will be a big determining factor. a single suckout can knock the best player out of the game. however, if you run that same tournament 1000 times, i am confident the best players will cash statistically more often. that's what i'm getting at.

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on August 27, 2020, 05:52:42 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 27, 2020, 09:21:56 AM

As a poker player, you know yourself that it's always X% and Y% of skill. I personally think that luck plays huge part in poker, maybe 60%, but, on the other hand, it's not like in slots or dice, which are 100% luck based. That's why I would call poker a skill based game, where luck still plays a big part.

re the short run, i would agree. in the long run---unless you happen to be extremely lucky or unlucky statistically---i truly believe it boils down to skill much more than that. this is especially true IMO because skilled players know how to read hand ranges, employ pot odds, prevent tilt, control pot size, etc to give themselves an additional edge so it's not purely based on the chance of hand A winning vs hand B.

If you mean experienced vs inexperienced player, I totally agree with you. But there are thousands of pretty good poker players in the world, and when, say, a 100 of them meet in a tournament with 20 paid places, it depends 90% on luck, who of them will end up ITM.

I personally think that today any online poker tournament with $100+ prize pool attracts several such players, and who of them will win depends mostly on luck.

Basically, that's what I mean when saying "luck still plays a big part". I don't take inexperienced players into account.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on August 27, 2020, 02:10:08 PM

But don't do it, poker is kind of game can result any experienced player to go bankrupt so they shouldn't have poker as kind of primary income source but there are lot of players doing it all the time but it doesn't mean they are living with it, they might be holding huge amount of stocks which can give them security for their survival so they are taking such risk by spending all the time but not all the resources.

If you make poker your main source of income, and therefore your main job, you are taking that risk. In addition, there are certain rules, which it is better not to go beyond, in order to avoid the element of randomness leading to unpredictable losses. Therefore, it is imperative that you always stick to bankroll management. Poker is a game of probabilities, the more correct your decisions are in the long run and the more you keep your bankroll, the higher the probability of a stable income.

Yes, if you are trying to be a professional poker player, you need a lot of experiences before making it as a source of income. It's hard to rely on gambling games, you don't know when will you win in the game.

Actually, only a few people in this world can make gambling as a source of income but before they made it into that, they already have a lot of experiences on the game that will make them last longer on the league.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 27, 2020, 09:21:56 AM

As a poker player, you know yourself that it's always X% and Y% of skill. I personally think that luck plays huge part in poker, maybe 60%, but, on the other hand, it's not like in slots or dice, which are 100% luck based. That's why I would call poker a skill based game, where luck still plays a big part.

re the short run, i would agree. in the long run---unless you happen to be extremely lucky or unlucky statistically---i truly believe it boils down to skill much more than that. this is especially true IMO because skilled players know how to read hand ranges, employ pot odds, prevent tilt, control pot size, etc to give themselves an additional edge so it's not purely based on the chance of hand A winning vs hand B.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on August 27, 2020, 02:10:08 PM

But don't do it, poker is kind of game can result any experienced player to go bankrupt so they shouldn't have poker as kind of primary income source but there are lot of players doing it all the time but it doesn't mean they are living with it, they might be holding huge amount of stocks which can give them security for their survival so they are taking such risk by spending all the time but not all the resources.

If you make poker your main source of income, and therefore your main job, you are taking that risk. In addition, there are certain rules, which it is better not to go beyond, in order to avoid the element of randomness leading to unpredictable losses. Therefore, it is imperative that you always stick to bankroll management. Poker is a game of probabilities, the more correct your decisions are in the long run and the more you keep your bankroll, the higher the probability of a stable income.

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Quote from: bitcoinst on August 27, 2020, 01:44:52 PM

Quote from: john_nautica on August 27, 2020, 10:42:45 AM

Indeed, strategies are essential playing any game. And I think that for you to come up with strategies you must have enough experience and knowledge about it. Although, If I were to decide, I'd still choose to have a job while also earning from playing poker.

It's not as easy as it sounds. The current average level of poker players is quite high compared to what we could see 5 years ago, and even much higher than 10 years ago.
Poker does not forgive mistakes, and the field is developing too fast. To earn poker, you need to live. It is very similar to trading in terms of the time and resources spent and the result obtained.

It's a ongoing process, there's actual spice that will allow you to keep using the same patterned over and over you have to increased
your knowledge and skills. Experienced will allow you to find ways in adjusting to a better formula to work with your chances, poker players is not stopping they keep growing from time to time.

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Quote from: Eureka_07 on August 15, 2020, 02:50:02 AM

Hi there guys!

I find it hard to play poker, as of now I am always losing on that game. Grin

But of I am not using any money yet because I know I will just lose the game. Just playing online and offline... but I am really sick on it.
Can you guys tell me more about the basics of this game. How do you play the game?

And also if you could, the strategies that can be a key for winning.

Hoping to your great responses Cheesy

I think. I would advise you to learn a little about poker at www.pokerstarsschool.com
(if you have no friends to play with, or dont like to do this)

Then I would advise you to play in play money mode
Every good player develops his own strategy...
It comes with the time!

A key word in poker: Practice makes perfect!

The golden rule that generally applies to gambling:

NEVER play with money that you cannot lose even in the worst case, because you need it for your life.

Stay save

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I think the best way to learn Poker is through doing—that's what I did at least.

Before I started playing at a casino or online, I first played at home games: at first for nothing, but then later on for small stakes. Once I could comfortably turn a profit from home games, I then starting playing low stakes tables.

Now I play at medium stakes most of the time.

I recommend the book "Essential Poker Math, Expanded Edition: Fundamental No-Limit Hold'em Mathematics You Need" <- good for learn which hands to play and calculating your outs.

You can also study how some of the greats play by watching WSOP on Youtube, look out for Phil Ivey, Tom Dwan etc, and see how they act in tough spots.

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Quote from: bitcoinst on August 27, 2020, 01:44:52 PM

Quote from: john_nautica on August 27, 2020, 10:42:45 AM

Indeed, strategies are essential playing any game. And I think that for you to come up with strategies you must have enough experience and knowledge about it. Although, If I were to decide, I'd still choose to have a job while also earning from playing poker.

It's not as easy as it sounds. The current average level of poker players is quite high compared to what we could see 5 years ago, and even much higher than 10 years ago.
Poker does not forgive mistakes, and the field is developing too fast. To earn poker, you need to live. It is very similar to trading in terms of the time and resources spent and the result obtained.

But don't do it, poker is kind of game can result any experienced player to go bankrupt so they shouldn't have poker as kind of primary income source but there are lot of players doing it all the time but it doesn't mean they are living with it, they might be holding huge amount of stocks which can give them security for their survival so they are taking such risk by spending all the time but not all the resources.

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Quote from: john_nautica on August 27, 2020, 10:42:45 AM

Indeed, strategies are essential playing any game. And I think that for you to come up with strategies you must have enough experience and knowledge about it. Although, If I were to decide, I'd still choose to have a job while also earning from playing poker.

It's not as easy as it sounds. The current average level of poker players is quite high compared to what we could see 5 years ago, and even much higher than 10 years ago.
Poker does not forgive mistakes, and the field is developing too fast. To earn poker, you need to live. It is very similar to trading in terms of the time and resources spent and the result obtained.

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