[Poll] At what point will you stop complying with Covid restrictions?

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Quote from: _Miracle on August 21, 2021, 05:41:58 PM

Quote from: Natsuu on August 08, 2021, 04:28:17 AM

Indeed, the only thing is that the gov't should GIVE the right informations about being vaccinated and how the vaccine works in the pandemic, then let the audience decide if they're ready to take or not. Cause you already give the things, and should not be forced. (Note: the talk should be 2 way so the audience can question the speaker regarding some confusing manners)

I am not yet vaccinated, but waiting to be vaccinated as I already registered for one, but don't have any schedule yet. Plus I am currently in my internship so taking a leave for a walk in vaccination is a no-no.

I think you're right : we should be able to trust our governments to provide truthful information for its people to make choices.
Many of us have accepted that we can't and instead of challenging our government to live up to a better standard---just resist everything (and call that "thinking for themselves").

Also we have the issue of "fast news"---a constantly "breaking news" cycle which often presents things as "facts" before they actually are and that contributes to misinformation.

Thanks for the good laugh. unfortunately did not manage to reed past that point.

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Quote from: Natsuu on August 08, 2021, 04:28:17 AM

Indeed, the only thing is that the gov't should GIVE the right informations about being vaccinated and how the vaccine works in the pandemic, then let the audience decide if they're ready to take or not. Cause you already give the things, and should not be forced. (Note: the talk should be 2 way so the audience can question the speaker regarding some confusing manners)

I am not yet vaccinated, but waiting to be vaccinated as I already registered for one, but don't have any schedule yet. Plus I am currently in my internship so taking a leave for a walk in vaccination is a no-no.

I think you're right : we should be able to trust our governments to provide truthful information for its people to make choices.
Many of us have accepted that we can't and instead of challenging our government to live up to a better standard---just resist everything (and call that "thinking for themselves").

Also we have the issue of "fast news"---a constantly "breaking news" cycle which often presents things as "facts" before they actually are and that contributes to misinformation.

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Quote from: Gyfts on August 17, 2021, 09:26:56 AM

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/new-zealand-to-enter-lockdown-after-recording-first-local-covid-19-case-in-six-months

New Zealand entering Covid lockdown over *first* Covid case in 6 months.

That is ridiculous. Covid tests are not even 100% accurate, so a single positive may be a false positive.

Their economy is not going to be able to sustain sudden lockdowns over a single case. Either people will be out of work due to the snap lockdowns, or the government will need to borrow to pay for stimulus and transfer payments that cannot go on forever without high inflation, or investors declining to continue purchase government bonds, or both.

They should focus on getting their citizens vaccinated with one of the Trump vaccines, so cases will not matter.

I don't think it's a false positive as all medias reported that it's a Delta variant case. It would be a joke for the whole world if it turned out to be a false case.

I agree that it's overreacting to lock down the entire country although the Delta variant is dangerous. Locking down the city/area where the case founded would be more appropriate. China has done well this strategy. Locking down infected area immediately when number of cases still in low and test all citizens in that area within a few days to find out F0, and then test a few more times to make sure no F0 exists in the community. But this requires a lot of facilities and capabilities.

No doubt vaccines is the key but buying vaccines at this time is not easy, especially when rich countries are planning on a third dose. I'm not sure if it's New Zealand case but it's a real headache to poorer countries. My country is an example, few vaccines results in low vaccinated percentage and prolonged lock down. People lose their jobs and migrate from big cities to hometown, bringing with them the virus. I don't even know when this situation might get better.

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Quote from: Gyfts on August 17, 2021, 09:26:56 AM

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/new-zealand-to-enter-lockdown-after-recording-first-local-covid-19-case-in-six-months

New Zealand entering Covid lockdown over *first* Covid case in 6 months.

That is ridiculous. Covid tests are not even 100% accurate, so a single positive may be a false positive.

Their economy is not going to be able to sustain sudden lockdowns over a single case. Either people will be out of work due to the snap lockdowns, or the government will need to borrow to pay for stimulus and transfer payments that cannot go on forever without high inflation, or investors declining to continue purchase government bonds, or both.

They should focus on getting their citizens vaccinated with one of the Trump vaccines, so cases will not matter.

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https://www.sbs.com.au/news/new-zealand-to-enter-lockdown-after-recording-first-local-covid-19-case-in-six-months

New Zealand entering Covid lockdown over *first* Covid case in 6 months.

Not a total overreaction or anything, but who knows, maybe a lockdown actually works in this scenario.

New Zealand is an island after all, and they are catching the cases early. Reason other lockdowns never worked is because once community transmission already gets going, it's impossible to physically isolate to the degree needed to stop transmission.

Also to consider though - the delta variant is more transmissible than alpha, so the lockdown may not matter in the end. Time will tell.

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Quote from: fastlight on August 08, 2021, 04:31:33 AM

What about the crimes commited, like placing intentionnally sick old people in care facilities to increase death toll (cf cuomo, whitmer?)

[citations needed]

I don't know the reference of what you are talking about, or you are just assuming things as every conspiracy out there.

Quote from: fastlight on August 08, 2021, 04:31:33 AM

what about the suppression of effective cheap treatment (HCQ, Ivermectine, Zinc, vit. c, d)?

Suppression? or is it just that this kind of meds are being used for treatments designated for it, plus the limited stocks of it. In such things, you needed prescription as it is not a over the counter drug (+ insufficient studies will defend the claims for this med, thus informations like this will make people panic and buy stocks of the drugs, that will eventually result to shortage if needed by medical facilities and such)

Quote from: fastlight on August 08, 2021, 04:31:33 AM

to remain unpunished like all the users of the epstein facilities and products or 911 / wtc 7? Most wasps can only disappoint me, more and more.

[citation needed]

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Quote from: Natsuu on August 08, 2021, 04:28:17 AM

Quote from: _Miracle on August 08, 2021, 04:15:43 AM

"At what point will you stop complying with Covid restrictions?"

"Comply" being the key word here
My state was early in mask mandates and I felt like it was a government overreach until constantly hearing the complaints about the "loss of liberty".

With liberty comes the responsibility of making your own choices on the other hand it has become painfully clear that most people don't have the time or ability to always chose wisely.

I hate wearing a mask and almost always only do so when required---I say "almost" because I'll wear one in crowds.

I am pro-vaccine, everyone who wants one should get one at no charge and the world has the will and resources to make that happen, I'm also a former Rotarian so that's a deeply embedded belief even pre-covid.

And even though I am vaccinated I am against my government opting for forced vaccinations and would get active on the matter.
Anyone who does not want to take it shouldn't have to, I'll stand up for your right not to.
So while I'd comply by choice I would dissent and act on principle.

BTW there were no helmet laws when I lived in South Carolina; I still wore an f'ing motorcycle helmet when riding.

Indeed, the only thing is that the gov't should GIVE the right informations about being vaccinated and how the vaccine works in the pandemic, then let the audience decide if they're ready to take or not. Cause you already give the things, and should not be forced. (Note: the talk should be 2 way so the audience can question the speaker regarding some confusing manners)

I am not yet vaccinated, but waiting to be vaccinated as I already registered for one, but don't have any schedule yet. Plus I am currently in my internship so taking a leave for a walk in vaccination is a no-no.

What about the crimes commited, like placing intentionnally sick old people in care facilities to increase death toll (cf cuomo, whitmer?), what about the suppression of effective cheap treatment (HCQ, Ivermectine, Zinc, vit. c, d)? to remain unpunished like all the users of the epstein facilities and products or 911 / wtc 7? Most wasps can only disappoint me, more and more.

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Quote from: _Miracle on August 08, 2021, 04:15:43 AM

"At what point will you stop complying with Covid restrictions?"

"Comply" being the key word here
My state was early in mask mandates and I felt like it was a government overreach until constantly hearing the complaints about the "loss of liberty".

With liberty comes the responsibility of making your own choices on the other hand it has become painfully clear that most people don't have the time or ability to always chose wisely.

I hate wearing a mask and almost always only do so when required---I say "almost" because I'll wear one in crowds.

I am pro-vaccine, everyone who wants one should get one at no charge and the world has the will and resources to make that happen, I'm also a former Rotarian so that's a deeply embedded belief even pre-covid.

And even though I am vaccinated I am against my government opting for forced vaccinations and would get active on the matter.
Anyone who does not want to take it shouldn't have to, I'll stand up for your right not to.
So while I'd comply by choice I would dissent and act on principle.

BTW there were no helmet laws when I lived in South Carolina; I still wore an f'ing motorcycle helmet when riding.

Indeed, the only thing is that the gov't should GIVE the right informations about being vaccinated and how the vaccine works in the pandemic, then let the audience decide if they're ready to take or not. Cause you already give the things, and should not be forced. (Note: the talk should be 2 way so the audience can question the speaker regarding some confusing manners)

I am not yet vaccinated, but waiting to be vaccinated as I already registered for one, but don't have any schedule yet. Plus I am currently in my internship so taking a leave for a walk in vaccination is a no-no.

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"At what point will you stop complying with Covid restrictions?"

"Comply" being the key word here
My state was early in mask mandates and I felt like it was a government overreach until constantly hearing the complaints about the "loss of liberty".

With liberty comes the responsibility of making your own choices on the other hand it has become painfully clear that most people don't have the time or ability to always chose wisely.

I hate wearing a mask and almost always only do so when required---I say "almost" because I'll wear one in crowds.

I am pro-vaccine, everyone who wants one should get one at no charge and the world has the will and resources to make that happen, I'm also a former Rotarian so that's a deeply embedded belief even pre-covid.

And even though I am vaccinated I am against my government opting for forced vaccinations and would get active on the matter.
Anyone who does not want to take it shouldn't have to, I'll stand up for your right not to.
So while I'd comply by choice I would dissent and act on principle.

BTW there were no helmet laws when I lived in South Carolina; I still wore an f'ing motorcycle helmet when riding.

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I will always do my best to comply to all covid-19 restrictions but I can always decide to choose my path of the precautionary measures that sooth my well being not doing things that can never have effect or makes me look stupid. I've always wearing my nose mask and maintaining social distances when in the outer world, but I don't think I can ever get vaccinated looking at the current vaccine complains.

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https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-covid-adviser-americans-need-to-wear-n95-masks

Former Biden admin. Covid-19 health adviser says the quiet part out loud. Read for yourself his statements, don't take my word. He says that the cloth masks everyone has been wearing haven't really done much in stopping the virus going in or out and that heavier duty masks are required. This isn't a right wing nut job, this is someone who used to advise Joe Biden and his staff. This person isn't a mask cultist, and is looking at the data which demonstrate that masks are not effective outside of specific and careful laboratory conditions in stopping Covid spread. I'm glad he's speaking out, because once people ditch the mask, they'll take measures that work, like the vaccine, or social distancing, which are demonstrable methods of stopping Covid spread.

You might watch his Joe Rogan appearance, this is the only interview that I can find that is long form - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw This was over a year ago, but much of the info holds true, so he happened to get a lot right.

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Quote from: Gyfts on July 31, 2021, 10:22:03 PM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on July 31, 2021, 10:05:04 PM

I really don't think the numbers can account for covid restrictions based on the number of deaths. IMO the left is trying to reinstitute restrictions in order to account for modified voting rules that will allow them to cheat in the 2022 election (and beyond).

It's much simpler, they're terrified of getting infected even after the jab for god knows what reason.

I am referring to politicians. The covid restrictions in 2020 were an excuse for the modified voting rules not authorized by state legislature, as required by the constitution, and these modified voting rules resulted in Biden getting elected, and Democrats keeping the house.

I think left politicians are trying to institute covid restrictions incrementally, to prevent a revolt that would be likely if something like new lockdowns were reinstituted.

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Quote from: suchmoon on July 31, 2021, 08:27:30 PM

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How nice all the vaccine haters could pose together for a group photo.

Well, if they're just little babies afraid of needles then maybe we shouldn't make fun of them.

Oh Nose! Lambs on their way to the slaughter are trying to make fun of me. What ever am I going to do?

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on July 31, 2021, 10:05:04 PM

I really don't think the numbers can account for covid restrictions based on the number of deaths. IMO the left is trying to reinstitute restrictions in order to account for modified voting rules that will allow them to cheat in the 2022 election (and beyond).

It's much simpler, they're terrified of getting infected even after the jab for god knows what reason.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on July 31, 2021, 08:27:39 AM

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Quote from: Natsuu on July 30, 2021, 12:13:49 PM

When we're talking about vaccine, what do you think will happen to you if you get vaccinated? out of curiosity.

I think you’ll be setting the stage for getting vaccinated every 6 months for the rest of your life while simultaneously weakening the human race’s natural immunity response to threats making us as a species less likely to survive coming threats while becoming increasingly dependent on government to keep us alive.

There is definitely no scientific basis for taking the vaccine every six months. The death rate for the new variant is below that of the Flu, although it is more contagious. There might be an argument for someone who is vulnerable to get vaccinated regularly, but not the general population.

Over time there will be more variations and they will become less deadly. I don’t think many people will be willing to get vaccinated more than once. Trust in public health officials is too low, and trust that politicians will not impose restrictions on the vaccinated won’t be there.

The way the media is inciting fear I think it is somewhat reasonable to expect a lot of people to want to protect themselves and their families by just going along with the norm. Now that a lot of jobs are requiring it, many people don’t even have a choice. I think it’s somewhat important for those of us with a choice to exercise that choice so that society doesn’t get too comfortable with mandates.

There is a labor shortage right now, so I have my doubts that many companies are going to follow through with firing people for not getting vaccinated. It is more likely that companies will delay allowing the unvaccinated back into the office, but will allow them to continue to WFH.

The trust in public health officials is quickly declining, as is the case with the media.

I really don't think the numbers can account for covid restrictions based on the number of deaths. IMO the left is trying to reinstitute restrictions in order to account for modified voting rules that will allow them to cheat in the 2022 election (and beyond).

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How nice all the vaccine haters could pose together for a group photo.

Well, if they're just little babies afraid of needles then maybe we shouldn't make fun of them.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on July 31, 2021, 08:27:39 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on July 30, 2021, 02:25:12 PM

Quote from: Natsuu on July 30, 2021, 12:13:49 PM

When we're talking about vaccine, what do you think will happen to you if you get vaccinated? out of curiosity.

I think you’ll be setting the stage for getting vaccinated every 6 months for the rest of your life while simultaneously weakening the human race’s natural immunity response to threats making us as a species less likely to survive coming threats while becoming increasingly dependent on government to keep us alive.

There is definitely no scientific basis for taking the vaccine every six months. The death rate for the new variant is below that of the Flu, although it is more contagious. There might be an argument for someone who is vulnerable to get vaccinated regularly, but not the general population.

Over time there will be more variations and they will become less deadly. I don’t think many people will be willing to get vaccinated more than once. Trust in public health officials is too low, and trust that politicians will not impose restrictions on the vaccinated won’t be there.

The way the media is inciting fear I think it is somewhat reasonable to expect a lot of people to want to protect themselves and their families by just going along with the norm. Now that a lot of jobs are requiring it, many people don’t even have a choice. I think it’s somewhat important for those of us with a choice to exercise that choice so that society doesn’t get too comfortable with mandates.

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Quote from: OgNasty on July 30, 2021, 02:25:12 PM

Quote from: Natsuu on July 30, 2021, 12:13:49 PM

When we're talking about vaccine, what do you think will happen to you if you get vaccinated? out of curiosity.

I think you’ll be setting the stage for getting vaccinated every 6 months for the rest of your life while simultaneously weakening the human race’s natural immunity response to threats making us as a species less likely to survive coming threats while becoming increasingly dependent on government to keep us alive.

There is definitely no scientific basis for taking the vaccine every six months. The death rate for the new variant is below that of the Flu, although it is more contagious. There might be an argument for someone who is vulnerable to get vaccinated regularly, but not the general population.

Over time there will be more variations and they will become less deadly. I don’t think many people will be willing to get vaccinated more than once. Trust in public health officials is too low, and trust that politicians will not impose restrictions on the vaccinated won’t be there.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 31, 2021, 02:19:33 AM

.. I still believe that a normal healthy person will get better protection, and have fewer side effects by relying on the system created by mother nature. It has helped us survive for thousands of years...

for thousands of years people have handed down knowledge about herbs and food/diet as medicine for colds/flu..this existing knowledge proves that we have been dealing with corona viruses for a looooooooooooong time.

agriculture started when? some literature says 4000 years ago, some says a lot longer..farming animals can produce corona viruses that can harm us. aside from farming bat caves existed a lot longer than agricultural farming, that is why around the world, different cultures have their own passed down knowledge for colds/flu remedy.

for thousands of years these viruses have mutations, strains and variants. we are built for this shit.

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