Topic: [POLL] Does EVAN DUFFIELD regret instamining DRK/DASH at 100x emission? - page 26. (Read 31431 times)

What Evan Duffield said there goes against what actually happened, you expect anyone with a IQ over 10 to believe that paragraph of bullcrap?

When Dash/Darkcoin/Xcoin was originally launched a ton of hashpower was thrown at it, and this was during it's instamine. Coincidentally as soon as the instamine ended with over 2million coins being mined and at least 300k going to Evan himself, was when "Evan fixed the block reward glitch", or rather when he felt like he instamined enough coins Mind you, all of that mining was done when there were no Windows wallets, and Evan himself was the only one able to mine for a period of time as well. There goes any chance of you saying it was likely an accident, as if it was, then Evan would have relaunched the coin. But, he didn't because for a while he was the only one able to mine as the miner werent working for everyone else. That' what we call a instamine scam.

Then to make sure that he got the full value of that scam instamine, he make a obscure poll and decided to slice the max coin supply from 80million to 20million, therefore making his instamine coins instantly much more valuable.

No such thing or anything even remotely similar happened With Monero. The most Monero had was a unoptimized miner that was released by Thankful-for-Today who was kicked out of the now 7 member dev team. None of the Monero devs were devs at the time of Monero's release, so everything anyone is saying against Monero is false or blatant trolling. Monero never had a instamine where it's core features were changed, and definitely never displayed the fraudelent, scam-like behavior that Dash's developer did.


Comparing Dash and Monero in that regard is like comparing apples and oranges.
The end.

just wow.  why the f*ck so many Monero threads accusing Dash of being an "instamine scam" when all this is coming out and Monero devs released a "funky" miner and then deny knowing about it which 'proves its not a scam!!!!' lol....

Smooth...

where can I find full explanation of this from your devs?  And where is a code review showing what the code was and how you took it out?

If it's true that you didn't know, surely you were thorough in handling it and explaining like the Dash dev was here: https://dashtalk.org/threads/the-birth-of-darkcoin.162/  where is the information?

^ and my on topic point is basically you have your own (proven!!!) scam and are attacking your competitor dev with same accusation constituting a massive conflict of interest and therefore negating any credibility in your involvement here.

EDIT:  I got a new Monero value proposition:

Monero - Proven Scam Launch™

(don't worry Smooth, not like I would go around saying this like you do.  But handy to have to remind you of your own scams next time you are accusing Dash of being a scam )

So your saying Evan should have done a more "conventional" launch like monero where you released a scam miner to public?

Smooth, I like monero, but you are doing it no favors by constantly throwing mud.

No. It's code for "I think you'd better get yourself a life before you expire with resentment".

Whether the guy's intentions were genuine or malevolent, planned or accident (as is my opinion), the market took subsequent events into account and endorsed the end product.

You might have to rewrite your little 'ethics manual'  

Broke with convention ROFL. Is that code for deceitfully misled people about the launch time so he could get more for himself or what?

I guess you are voting for he doesnt regret it with a comment like that.

Excuse me. We're not writing the bible here.

Assets see "investment" if there's a case for a return. End of story.

Since, in the view of many, "Science, cryptography and community" are being moved more by Dash than any other project right now, then thats where their money goes. If you don't see it that way then nobody's forcing you to support it so don't complain.

For a long time I've watched this 'scam' accusation grind on and on and wondered to myself who "the scammed" were. Reading this thread I'm finally coming to the slightly hysterical conclusion "the scammed" turns out only to have been a handful of miners that are miffed they didn't get in on the early "bonanza" and who think that the dev "tricked them".

Fair enough, if thats really what you think then make your case, but don't expect much sympathy from traders who simply went out and bought it in markets since:

A - thats where most miners dump their coins anyway - even if most of you had had your cherished windows wallets and early warnings

B - the hypocrisy of this entire industry is such that 'emission curves' are going to look about as ethical as a bank robbery to the rest of the world if cryptocurrency ever goes mainstream. So your attempts to turn this into an issue of ‘ethics’ are moot

The bottom line is, "Evan's dedication to the project" is what has given it value. The unconventional launch is well priced in - as evidenced by the complete lack of impact all the mud throwing over the "instamine" has.

If you have an ethical problem with it so be it. The market may have as well but it also sees value and is much better placed to put the issues with the launch in a proper context than a bunch of butthurt miners riddled with resentment and envy who think Evan broke some universal law of crypto ethics.

He did not.

He made a fuck*ng coin and broke with convention in its launch. The market did the rest so I suggest you get over yourselves before your jaundiced eye leaves you all permanently colour blind.

You make some good points, slapper, but I don't know, that whole launch time thing really looks sketchy to me. He clearly deceived people. Intent is hard to show, but there's not really any other logical explanation for it. If you go back and read the the first dozen or so pages of the thread, its quite clear he was rushing it for some unknown reason, despite some very good reasons to slow down and fix the code before launching. Maybe he was being pressured even from the start, I don't know. There's no evidence on the thread of anyone pressuring him, in fact everyone was pressuring him to take his time, fix the code first, have a Widows build before launch, etc. Behind the scenes, maybe different.

There is no proof of intentional scamming in Monero, at all. The crippled mining code came from Bytecoin, not Monero, to deceive people about their 82% premine scam. That was the whole reason Monero was launched in the first place.

There is no proof anyone connected to Monero (including the original dev who launched it), ever even looked at that code, so how can you have intention to do anything without looking at the code (much less writing it)? Maybe he had that intention, maybe he didn't. Either way, no proof.

When it comes to proof on these things, the closest we can get is a pretty strong circumstantial case that the reason Evan repeatedly deceived people about the launch time was in order to reduce participation and get a bigger piece of the massive instamine (especially the first hour).

You're reaching for anything to deflect the focus away from Evan instamining Dash. Do you think he regrets it?


There's no white knight campaign. I don't even care if investors lose their money, they're adults, that's their business. It's unfortunate when noobs get scared because it might scare them away from crypto, but mostly instamines and misleading people about launch times and other such scams just piss me off. I wonder how Evan feels about it though. I'm guessing he feels a little differently, since he's the one who did that.

Unlike some here, I respect Evan for his tireless dedication to the project. He has demonstrated immense capability and potential in developing software, knowledge in a lot of aspects pertaining to finance, a reserved repentance to the instamine, a tireless passion for the "community" he created even after the initial chaos and misfortunes, but MOST importantly a sense of pride in the face of consistent attacks over the practicality and technicality of the main aspects of the coin he wanted to bring to everyone.

The biggest mistake however was not the fastmine/instamine but to yield to the pressure of whales (everyone knows their names and it is not just otoh), in breaking the social contract with respect to emission a LONG time after the mistakes during launch. This should NOT have been done under any circumstances. I will not trust Evan to make any more social contract changes (he is going to, until the coin completely dies). Even his cohort during the initial launch, who was subsequently asked to sever ties with the project, was surprised he has carried on for so long.

He fought well, there is no doubt about this. He silenced a lot of trolls, scumbags, thieves, PumpNDumpers and malicious crypto faggots. He is not a malicious person, but his problem is of being too malleable and perhaps some greed.

This is no longer a coin that should see any kind of "investment" or money coming in to support it. It is time to move to science, cryptography and community.

Monero dev's at it again, so much jealousy towards EVAN because they can't code shit. If only Monero dev's start working instead of crying out loud towards EVAN coding skills and actually working to make Monero even better they would get better attention but since they can't code they are here spending time on forums. They hate that Evan is on magazines, crypto websites, and even getting more attention with he's innovation ways.

Cry more you won't get investors that way, people don't pay for laziness they pay for hard work and talent.

Very interesting reading, looks like your nose isn't so clean after all Smooth?

I'm not going to reply to any more off-topic posts on this thread, it is just disrespectful to the other forum users.

Nor am I going to be intimidated into halting my criticism of any and all scams including the Dash instamine and Evan's well-documented misleading and deceptive behavior surrounding it.

coins101, if you post or reply on-topic (anywhere), I will happily discuss anything with you.

Let's not go back and forth on the same issue. Saying there was a crippled miner in the code that was forked from Bytecoin in a hurry, and was clearly crippled intentionally in Bytecoin, does not mean that crippled miner was intended as a scam for Bitmonero. It may have been, but there was no evidence of it.

If the code changes that TFT made in doing his fork had anything at all to do with the miner, then I'd acknowledge that he had at least looked at it. In fact, he did the typical altcoin copy/paste fork of changing a few parameters and launching, which had nothing to do with the miner at all.

If you disagree, create a thread and see if anyone believes you or cares. It seems people do believe the Dash instamine happened and they do care about it given the number of threads created about it and the amount of discussion they attract.

Back on the thread topic of whether Even regrets the Dash instamine. What do you think, coins101?

Err, you do know it was a scam.



Not long after launch, around one to two weeks, people started to smell a rat and at some point the Monero dev somehow did a runner, or possibly just changed account profile and carried (carries) on being involved.

Some of the early community members decided that, despite being only one or two weeks in, they would continue with the project rather than stop, fix, relaunch.

That smells a bit. Had we seen two or three months of effort, then maybe a continuation would have been more believable. People were smelling a rigged launch at the time:



There is no dispute that Monero was launched with deceptive code intended to steal.  It has been admitted by the lead devs:


And the other lead dev:

I keep telling you that there is no evidence of scam intention at launch, because we don't know TFT's intentions. We don't even know if he knew that code existed, or if he or anyone ever took advantage of it. The intention of the code was clearly the BCN scam, where that code came from. It may or may not have been intended for scamming on Bitmonero. We don't know.

If you have evidence, let us know (ideally on an appropriate thread).

Feel free to investigate Monero, create threads about how you think Monero is a scam (ideally with evidence), etc. Have at it. But try not to derail threads about Dash (for example, "whether Evan regrets instamining it", or for that matter the Dash main thread) with your lashing out at Monero though.

"There is nothing shameful about standing up to scams and telling it like it."

Monero was launched with scam code. I can provide the links to yours and your other lead devs quotes if you want. But we all now know there were scam intentions at launch.

So, as you say, which I and others agree with you on, it is worth standing up to scams and also bully boys.

And for some reason you have decided to become a bully boy instead of leading by example and steering clear of smear campaigns, which part of your own community now find distasteful.

Come on man, you know that attack-the-attacker is a term of art and does not imply malice (quite the contrary) on the part of the person being subjected to it. It's an intimidation tactic used to suppress criticism.

Cut out the silly snipes at Monero and me already. It's pathetic.


Maybe you should consider that your first impression may have been correct and reasoning now on the basis of "smooth criticizes Dash therefore there must be something wrong with smooth (and Monero)" is not being intellectually honest. Because it is pretty clear that is exactly what you are doing.