Topic: [POLL] Does EVAN DUFFIELD regret instamining DRK/DASH at 100x emission? - page 27. (Read 31425 times)

Some might call it standing up to bully boy tactics.

But I'm glad you called yourself an attacker. We do seem to be making progress.

And to think, I actually defended you in the Darkcoin thread.


It really is shameful for a lead dev to be undertaking, sorry, leading such a smear campaign.

Lead devs lead by example, and this is the shameful example you choose to lead with.

Not sure what you are suggesting. If you're suggesting that I'm TFT or had some involvement with him, or that I was involved with the BCN scam...good luck with that. It makes you look even more ridiculous. But since you brought it up, the fact that I mined a lot of XMR, and I also know other people who mined a lot and had nothing to do with BCN (such as dga, and several other large miners I know) is how I know that TFT or BCN scammers didn't mine a lot of XMR before the crippled miner was fixed, or even during the period after that when it was no longer blatantly crippled but was being progressively optimized by dga and by us. There just wasn't that much left. So your theory about the scam-mining of XMR being this large percentage or that large percentage is just flat wrong (never mind that it is irrelevant to Dash, but I'll get to that later). It may be have been zero, or it may have been an vanishingly small amount. I don't know which.

In fact, I have a lot of my own computers (and cloud accounts) so I've mined a lot of CPU coins. In fact that is how I found BCN (which led to my involvement with XMR). Before XMR I mined BCN and before that I mined MMC and DTC and PTS and probably a few others I don't remember. Here's a bit of documentation for that which was easy to find.



(also traded cpu mined coins several times with this guy: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=MobPhone&sign=ANY&type=RECV)

There are also some posts of mine in the altcoin marketplace related to coins I CPU mined, but I didn't bother to find them.

If you want to investigate XMR (or anything else) and find improprieties like, for example, misleading people about the launch time, go right ahead, but right now it looks like you aren't actually investigating, nor finding improprieties. You are just grasping at anything negative you can concoct to say about XMR as a method of throwing up a lot of nonsense to deflect attention from Evan's instamine. Still, do you think he regrets it?

This is the thing you fundamentally don't understand, coins101. Throwing insults or attacks at XMR does not help justify Dash's instamine or Evan's well-documented unscrupulous behavior surrounding it. It just makes everyone realize that you don't have any substantive refutation or justification and have necessarily gone into attack-the-attacker mode.

It also isn't going to intimidate us into keeping quiet about it so you can whitewash it and scam noobs unchallenged.

Quite a few people who were at the Monero launch were reporting hitting 1-2 blocks per day. Over a two week period, they might have got 750-1,200 coins, lets be generous and say 5k.

Some people had managed to get really lucky and had 20k, about 10% of the supply at the time, in about a week.


Nice to have the luck to be in the right place at the right time and to have the resources to scale up such a mining effort.

But with Monero, the dev, or the patsy account, mysteriously vanished.

While the Darkcoin dev was open about his name, which part of America he lives and is still around - working away, for 14 months now, with plans to carry on developing - you know 'dev'ing.

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You see what I did there?

A few facts, and some leading words and you can take that sort of thing in a variety of directions depending on your intentions.

The famous quotes. Evan Scamfield in bold



What a lying piece of shit.

The failed launch, classic.
Dont worry it will be weeks before relaunch, have a few drink's, have a good sleep i only have a hundred notes. Noone mined the first hours except the once in the know.
10k insignificant? how much you get now, 4 or something of which you stash 50%  on top of the 2 million shit pile.
who cares known fraud supporter, what was your name again?

The criminal Dashtards were actually denying the instamine until someone made a graph image of the first 24 hours. Here's one victim of the scam:

Smooth ( and others ) : I don't remember your real life names? As you all know Evan and team are all known. So stop barking from the dark and come to the light. THEN I will listen what you have to say.

coins101:

1. Nobody knows whether the crippled miner in Monero did anything at all, or was just left over from Bytecoin (where it was used to fake the age of the blockchain and hide the premine). There is frankly no real evidence of it; for the first week after the original developer launched Monero, the difficulty was low and plenty of people were mining. If he or anyone was scam mining with an optimized miner, it couldn't have been much. It was only later, when the coin became more popular that the difficulty started to go up. Now if TFT deliberately kept that cripled miner code in there to scam, don't you think he would have mined hard at the beginning, the way Evan did? (Note: I'm not claiming to know that he didn't mine with an advantage from it, just that I don't know either way, and neither do you.)

2. At the time TFT was kicked out, the crippled miner was not even known by anyone, nor were there any other significant issues (there was a minor glitch with one stuck transaction for example, which didn't really break anything; I think that was the topic of the quote you posted, but I'm not sure) that would have indicated a reason for a relaunch. He was kicked out mostly because: 1) he disappeared a lot, and the community wanted more involved, transparent, and trustworthy developers, and 2) he was pushing (broken) merged mining code into the repo even though the community had decided against merged mining.

3. On the topic of provable launch issues, you do realize that the Dash launch was at the very least a provable ambush launch with deceptive and misleading statements made by Evan about the launch time right? And also that it is provable that there was a bug or a "bug" in the Dash code at launch which created a massive number of extra coins (and unlike when this happened with Bitcoin, those coins were never destroyed, they were kept). Or shall I post his quotes again?

And BTW, this has nothing to do with whether Evan regrets instamining Dash. What do you think, coins101, does he regret it?

I get that you would prefer a culture in the coin world where developers left each other alone to scam (if that's what they choose to do) in peace, and I have no doubt that many coin developers have such "gentlemen's agreement" (implicitly if nothing else). We don't. Get used to it.

I had to give up counting how many Monero people are here.

Seems like a continuation of some sort of smear campaign. The 'cut off the head' approach.

I might now have take a good look at the deceptive launch of Monero and compare the two launches.

The purpose would be to consider what might constitute a scam launch and what might be considered legitimately a mistake. So on topic.

From memory about Monero,

The Monero launch included a launch pack that included some deceptive code aimed at rigging the mining for the material benefit of one or a few at the expense of the many. Also known as fraud.


Not long after launch, around one to two weeks, people started to smell a rat and at some point the Monero dev somehow did a runner, or possibly just changed account profile and carried (carries) on being involved.

Some of the early community members decided that, despite being only one or two weeks in, they would continue with the project rather than stop, fix, relaunch.

That smells a bit. Had we seen two or three months of effort, then maybe a continuation would have been more believable. People were smelling a rigged launch at the time:



There is no dispute that Monero was launched with deceptive code intended to steal.  It has been admitted by the lead devs:


And the other lead dev:



A fact cannot be considered subjective.  Subjective is a view not based on fact.

Subjective views, such as the current Monero devs saying that they don't view a week or so of Monero fraud as meaningful because it wasn't that bad of a fraud in the great scheme of things.

Well that depends on your point of view. The police might choose to prosecute someone who steals a candy bar, because theft is in fact illegal.

So a week of fraud being acceptable is subjective when proposed as such.

Objective views are based on fact.

The facts are Monero had a scam launch and people made decisions not to stop, fix and relaunch. So you have to now own the scam launch code provided with the launch pack.

So far Monero has more of a provable launch issue than Darkcoin.

You see, we can all play these games all day long. If that is what you really want to waste your time on.

Well I do not really care nor does anybody who has not  conflict of interest cause I could've bought all of them for cents back in the days. Plus the guy and his team have been constantly delivering for more than a year, so, I move on the instamine.

Please stop repeating the "48 hours" story about the instamine.

That timeline is part of the ongoing Dash whitewashing, or at least lightening, effort. After all, 48 hours sounds like a period of time when quite a few people could reasonably expect to get in there and mine with everyone else, regardless of time zone, etc.

In fact, 78% of the instamine occurred within 8 hours and 92% of it occurred within 24 hours. Anyone showing up after the first three hours was already shut out of most of it.

Specifically:

Wtihin 1 hour of the ambush launch, 575.5k coins were mined.

Within 8 hours, 1.57 million coins.

Within 24 hours 1.84 million coins.

By that time, the hourly mining had dropped to the relatively insignificant 10k coins/hour, 1/20th of the average rate over the first 8 hours.

As you can see from this graph, after 9 hours, it was basically all over. If you went to bed when Evan told you go to go bed (because he "definitely" wasn't going to launch), by the time you woke up, you missed it.

I'm not going to even get into the amorality or short-sighted strategy of your conclusion--no intention of repeating my opinion. Where I flaw your argument is in the bolded part. There's no possible way you can account for every last person knowing that dash was instamined, hence why dash fans were quick to rally and have the premine asterisks removed from coinmarketcap. As long as people are entering the market and discovering the altcoin thread, the more it makes sense to keep bumping it and restating the facts.

You guys keep repeating these things as if you expect something to happen. People know that 2 million coins were instamined over 48 hours. Personally, I'm happy that the instamine occurred. In fact, the lack of an instamine in Monero is one of the reasons that I favor Dash and don't buy more Monero. If I don't feel like I got an unfair advantage over others, I just can't get behind a project.

Fact: Over 500k coins were mined in the first hour.

Fact: Over 1.5 million coins were mined in the first day.

This poll is highlighting facts, so what can you do but make it an us versus them  scenario to fit the, "They're out to get us!" narrative that has nothing to do with facts? If you don't want to defend an instamine, then don't defend an instamine.

I see its only the Trollero fans in here circle jerking each other.

Well done guys, keep up the good fight!

This^, evidence suggests that it was indeed premeditated, if it wasn't then he wouldn't have sliced the block reward, max coin supply, and more. If/when crypto was/becomes regulated, currencies like Dash/Darkcoin would not exist/would be illegal.

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NO - he knowingly engaged in premeditated fraud and profited immensely from it as well as his little fans. That is far to much of the supply for so few to have control over. This is not going to end well i feel sorry for who is left holding!. Also will be a bad day for bitcoin with that amount of coin being stolen.

So many things wrong with this...

First of all, as a factual matter, I do disagree to a point. Bitcoin botnets are irrelevant because of the extreme efficiency advantage of Bitcoin ASICs. But if you consider the case of Scrypt on GPUs, there were extremely large botnets mining LTC and DOGE during their GPU era. The modest operational costs of botnets mean that they don't so much care about efficiency and will CPU mine even a GPU-mineable coin if the efficiency within reason (and I'm pretty sure X11 falls i that category, SHA256 ASICs do not), as long as the price of the coin is high enough. (This happened mostly during the pump period of those coins, I believe.)

There have also been reported botnets that GPU mine, though it is somewhat rare. I think it would happen more if we saw another big pump of GPU-mineable coins though.

Finally a lot of the so-called botnets are actually cloud mining scammers, and they definitely use GPUs. I'm told the rage is (or at least at some point was) to GPU mine Dash or some other X11 coin and CPU mine Monero on their scammed GPU cloud nodes.

More generally, it depends on what argument you are trying to make. If you think that botnets mining a coin are inherently immoral or a reputational risk to crypto coins, the the amount matters, somewhat (more botnets -> more immoral and more reputation risk, probably, though these are both somewhat open the question).

If you are arguing that people can't or won't buy coins because they are or might be buying "stolen property" then the amount doesn't matter that much once the coins get mixed together. If you buy 100 coins and 3 of them is "stolen property" then you are still buying stolen property. If that prospect bothers you in terms of risk or morality, probably you don't buy at all regardless of the size of botnets.

I'm still wondering what this has to do with whether Evan regrets instamining Dash though.