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Topic: [POLL] Does EVAN DUFFIELD regret instamining DRK/DASH at 100x emission? - page 7. (Read 31431 times)

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Here is what Monero team don't seem to get including GingerAle, Fluffypony and Smooth. People don't care about Monero Launch scam, or DASH early mistake or Satoshi getting 1 Million bitcoins or even any other coin that the CREATER gets. I am no tech guy but Nakamoto Satoshi created this amazing idea that you or anyone here wouldn't even think it exist before he did it so I am no one to say you should not get that 1 million coins! Evan created instant transactions great this can get interesting, what did YOU do to crypto beside CRY"P"TO about people out of you're league in forums? what did MONERO add to anything, is there something new in you're agenda that can get me as investor to think well this coin MIGHT have a chance to be up there with the big boys?

~ Truth is incompetence does not bring smart money so you can say all you want, i've seen this before and still do in Bitcoin forums hating on Bitcoin itself by losers and low achievers and you're nothing but another loser.

it's true.

they made the miscalculation that if they throw enough sh*t at Dash they can hurt it enough so their coin can replace it - claims that "instamine=scam=bad investment" was their weapon of choice.  The only problem, Dash is a strong coin with big community and the most innovation, delivering new features people want, it has survived many attacks before, including this same one. Monero is a single-exchange clone made by fraud devs who do zero development unless it helps their personal agenda.

Smooth - you totally destroyed monero's image, this is you and fluffy's fault.  And now the only thing keeping you on Poloniex is a load of fake buy walls from whales like Warz who don't want to sh*t the money bed and think if they can fix the price where it is Monero's image will recover....it won't thanks to you, because you've just exposed Monero as an off-the-shelf scam-clone launch-scam with devs who can't be bothered to work but are fixated on attacking your biggest competitor to try to 'prove' to people you ambush around BCT that monero is better because Dash is illegitimate because you say so - playground tactics not serious development as you would expect if Monero had real value.

you don't see this yet i guess, but i do...way to give value to your investors and help take crypto forward.

bump - why this poll even exists.

It exists because they did too much shit ( and catapulted out ) at DASH tread. Obviously they can not do this in MONERO tread.

And... I do not see any newbies here too? Is this tread aimed to them? What a joke...

Have you noticed how they always mis quote people whenever anyone says incompetence Monero dev's? haha

I would love to see how many of those are Monero supporters or dev's can we have name's of all the voters please? LOL

Cry"p"to in forums, here is a new deal for Monero developers i'll spend 20 bitcoins into Monero's dead coin "since they can't bring ANYTHING new to crypto" if they do give us something new like something would make me say WOW they are actually working and not copying from byte or other coins anymore; or changing a color of a copied "LOL" GUI wallet from red to blue LOOOOOOOOOOL

Incompetence does not bring smart money, so RIGHT NOW show me what is in ur agenda if you got nothing then stop creating new accounts bashing Evan or wasting time as developers you're just making Monero look really really bad with you're CRY"P"TO in forums lol.

I'll raise that to 30 BTC, Is it that hard to give the public you're next agenda? that of course if you had one.
Smooth, FluffyPony, and other Monero's developer team agenda for 2015 since they can not compete with EVAN coding skills and developing genius ideas

1. Changing our copied GUI wallet color from RED to BLUE.
2. Create once or twice a week a thread about EVAN even though we have starting problems just like every other coin did.
3. We Cry"p"to about it in forums.
4. Wait for another coin like Byte to coin from or actually for Byte to do something new and we change colors maybe?
5. THIS IS IMPORTANT let's all pray that monero investors don't get mad at us and ask for a newer team to actually do some work.
6. Hope their investors don't do what OTOH did and moving on with DASH.
7. Cry"p"to about it in to forums even more when our daily volume is like this in all the exchanges LOL
Monero$ 3,489,080   $ 0.469919   7,424,855 XMR   $ 19,521   -5.20 %




Great having more of the community working hard as well.

~ 8k buy order just appeared @ .0118

Yup even the DASH community doing more work than all the current MONERO developers LOOOL

Monero getting sadder each day, they c how Dash is getting more attention, more smart money getting in, and our developer/community working. Well guess what?! DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT WOOOOOOORK and stop CRY"P"TO about it in forums
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud

Oh dear me

There's nothing 'oh dear' about it other than the fact that the best you can do is lift 2 out of context posts from over 3300.

I had happily traded on Gox and did feel some sympathy for them before all the shenanigans started to emerge. Check the date on that post please.

The second post should read "Encryption has never been a significant part of cryptocurrency" which I corrected a few posts later.

P.S.......



When you get to 3000 let me know and we'll see how consistent you are   Cheesy



A few posts later.... How do you define a few? The few I read are still as convoluted as when I first read them. As I remember it, it wasn't until Gmaxwell (and Toshi too?) decimated your understanding on cryptocurrencies that you backtracked into awkward rephrasings  of common words used throughout the cryptocurrency space in a vain (both meanings) attempt to save face.
legendary
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Oh dear me

There's nothing 'oh dear' about it other than the fact that the best you can do is lift 2 out of context posts from over 3300.

I had happily traded on Gox and did feel some sympathy for them before all the shenanigans started to emerge. Check the date on that post please.

The second post should read "Encryption has never been a significant part of cryptocurrency" which I corrected a few posts later.

P.S.......



When you get to 3000 let me know and we'll see how consistent you are   Cheesy

sr. member
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Speaking of nuggets of wisdon, how's this one?



Not just a dash scam sympathizer but Gox too. Still feel sorry for Mt Gox?



Or how about this gem, before you got rekt by gmaxwell


 Cryptography has never been a significant part of cryptocurrency


Oh dear me
legendary
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You're joking...right? The question isn't if something is available, it's what's already being used. Installing Linux would require you to boot from a flashdrive or install it on virtualbox, both of which for most people are unnecessary as shown by the statistics on % of operating systems people use.

What's the Linux % statistics of crypto currency miners? That's the only relevant statistics. Whether your grandma uses Linux or Windows is irrelevant.

I'll say that pretty much every single coin launch has and has had people asking about Windows binaries and complaining if they aren't there, so either there is a significant segment affected by that, or they are all trolling.
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Again, your logic fails....The vast majority of users on this forum own not even 1 btc according to some polls conducted here. The vast majority of those involved with cryptocurrencies do not mine coins( if looking at the top bitcoin pools give any reasonable #'s of those mining), but it seems like you would expect the opposite since this is a bitcoin forum correct? Your entire argument is wrong...

You write words and sentences but when put together they don't make sense. If you don't know what to say you don't have to, you can just not post.

Let's recap what you've said.

So far you've said that we need to look at the stats of the % of cryptocurrency miners that use Linux. I responded by saying there is no study done on the % of cryptocurrency miners that use Linux, and the next best source to look at is the overall # of users that users Linux worldwide, to which that number is around 1%, with over 90% of all operating systems used on desktops, laptops, netbooks, being Windows.

When it comes to the nodes listed by turtles83, you had the same illogical pattern of reasoning. You asked irrelevant questions of whether there were other nodes, etc, to which I replied that until another source comes forth to compare against turtles83 documentation, then having those questions is useless.

You must be trolling...or very...illogical. Take a coffee break.
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Again, your logic fails....The vast majority of users on this forum own not even 1 btc according to some polls conducted here. The vast majority of those involved with cryptocurrencies do not mine coins( if looking at the top bitcoin pools give any reasonable #'s of those mining), but it seems like you would expect the opposite since this is a bitcoin forum correct? Your entire argument is wrong...

You write words and sentences but when put together they don't make sense. If you don't know what to say you don't have to, you can just not post.
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
Funny how you remember some obscure post from months ago but you can't remember the half-dozen times I told you I don't hold or particularly care about Monero. Must be selective memory.


But you do care about CryptoNote and you are one of the most frequent attackers of Dash at the minute along with Smooth & the gang who value Cryptonote same as you.

The common factor of the people attacking Dash right now is - Cryptnote investors - and it all started when DRK made instant transactions and renamed to Dash and said it wasn't just about being an "anon coin" anymore and instead wanted to be the "mastercard to Bitcoin's visa".

So Cryptonote is quickly heading for the trash heap and the investors are angry. hence the massive attack on Dash recently.

QED


Nice theory. I'm sure the backlash against DASH has nothing to do with:

- its massive and deceptive instamine fraud
- lowering of total supply from 80 million to 20 million after launch
- lowering block emissions from 500 coins per block to 5 coins per block after launch

Instaminers had their fill and then lowered the emission by 100 times. Great coin! Hurry up and attack Monero some more.

For weeks back in 2014 Dark/Dash was at sale for peanuts. I didnt mine, just bought some:




We made our distribution long ago. Stop with this "instamine" crap. The actual value of the coin is because the dedicated effort of Evan & team. This is no hard to understand.

I'm so sorry I'm smart enoght to see, more than year ago, that Evan is a good dev.  Others did the same.

You missed it. Get over it.


The I bought cheap or I saw lots of volume therefore the coin was fairly distributed argument, isn't proof of fair distribution--it is proof that the coin was cheap or there was lots of trading between accounts that may or may not have been the same person(s).  The you're just jealous because I got cheap coins argument doesn't invalidate the instamine either and is annoyingly presumptuous at best. The it's only Monero supporters argument still doesn't invalidate the instamine, nor does the noob account argument, or even the random troll on a FUD campaign argument--in fact the only thing that can invalidate the instamine would be to not have done it or relaunched the coin after the problem was found, but Evan (the guy you keep calling brilliant or a genius) couldn't figure that much out at the time and now you're stuck apologizing for him and angry at the wrong people because they're pointing out an obvious weakness if the coin were to ever attempt the heights of Bitcoin. If you want to be mad, look in the mirror or at Evan, but don't pretend that somehow, someway anyone involved in Monero thinks dash is a good anonymity coin or that Bitcoin is worried about you stealing their market cap; there aren't enough name changes to skew your masternodes into a good anonymous system and Otoh can only prop you up so much and for so long.  But as long as you believe that Evan is a god compared to Satoshi and that overly complex systems are great for the world's transactions and nobody in the media would ever question your shady beginnings on your ascent to Jupiter and beyond--as long as you have that, you have sucker bait. Keep on pimpin'.

I know my english is not very good, unfortunately English  is my third language. But, I know enough to know that I never said "brilliant or genius" or "god compared to satoshi". What are you smoking? I said "Evan is a good dev" And in this crappy alt-world this is a lot.

I all want is some respect for my community. As a dash supporter I feel every day bashed, insulted, injured by a bunch of kids who post the same FUD every day.

Fortunately markets and people are smart enough to understand it, and the Monero community are suffering for it. Your trolling behaviour as a group is beyond all bearing.

You don't like Dash? Is fine. I dont like Monero. All we need is to RESPECT EACH OTHER.

And yes, coins where distributed, because at the beggining of february 2014 Darkcoin was another crappy coin in the market noone care about. Thousands of coins where traded every day for peanuts, like crappy coins today.

You're so vain you probably think this thread is about you.... I was making a commentary on all (your faulty argument was just the starting point) the faulty arguments dash users use to try gloss over or distract people from the instamine. And no, you buying cheap coins is still not a valid proof that the coin is now fairly distributed. And no, we don't have to respect each other--I will never respect anyone who knowingly or foolishly invests in a coin with a strategically flawed launch that Evan tries to fix with name changes and buzz words or with Amway nodes that are a hindrance to privacy and security--all the while claiming he had a fair launch and his coin is good for privacy--I don't think anyone should respect that or invest in it or trust their privacy with it.

Please don't invest in Monero; you either don't get cryptosystems or don't care if you are supporting faulty systems. And this post was about you.
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You're joking...right? The question isn't if something is available, it's what's already being used. Installing Linux would require you to boot from a flashdrive or install it on virtualbox, both of which for most people are unnecessary as shown by the statistics on % of operating systems people use.

What's the Linux % statistics of crypto currency miners? That's the only relevant statistics. Whether your grandma uses Linux or Windows is irrelevant.

That's the whole point, there is no statistics on the % of cryptocurrency miners that use Linux. The only source we have to look at is the % of overall people on this planet that use Linux/Windows, with more than 90% of all computers using the windows operating system...

No we don't have to look at that source, and we actually should not look at it either as it's irrelevant. Similar to your list of nodes at a certain point of time.

Ok, so you rather not use Objective evidence even if it's indirectly tied to the cryptoscene(Majority of computers use Windows>Majority of miners use Windows), but you rather use opinions... Great logic... /s....

Your logic is like being in a power lifting forum, and assuming majority of the posters there can't bench their own weight.

Again, your logic fails....The vast majority of users on this forum own not even 1 btc according to some polls conducted here. The vast majority of those involved with cryptocurrencies do not mine coins( if looking at the top bitcoin pools give any reasonable #'s of those mining), but it seems like you would expect the opposite since this is a bitcoin forum correct? Your entire argument is wrong...
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You're joking...right? The question isn't if something is available, it's what's already being used. Installing Linux would require you to boot from a flashdrive or install it on virtualbox, both of which for most people are unnecessary as shown by the statistics on % of operating systems people use.

What's the Linux % statistics of crypto currency miners? That's the only relevant statistics. Whether your grandma uses Linux or Windows is irrelevant.

That's the whole point, there is no statistics on the % of cryptocurrency miners that use Linux. The only source we have to look at is the % of overall people on this planet that use Linux/Windows, with more than 90% of all computers using the windows operating system...

No we don't have to look at that source, and we actually should not look at it either as it's irrelevant. Similar to your list of nodes at a certain point of time.

Ok, so you rather not use Objective evidence even if it's indirectly tied to the cryptoscene(Majority of computers use Windows>Majority of miners use Windows), but you rather use opinions... Great logic... /s....

Your logic is like being in a power lifting forum, and assuming majority of the posters there can't bench their own weight.
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You're joking...right? The question isn't if something is available, it's what's already being used. Installing Linux would require you to boot from a flashdrive or install it on virtualbox, both of which for most people are unnecessary as shown by the statistics on % of operating systems people use.

What's the Linux % statistics of crypto currency miners? That's the only relevant statistics. Whether your grandma uses Linux or Windows is irrelevant.

That's the whole point, there is no statistics on the % of cryptocurrency miners that use Linux. The only source we have to look at is the % of overall people on this planet that use Linux/Windows, with more than 90% of all computers using the windows operating system...

No we don't have to look at that source, and we actually should not look at it either as it's irrelevant. Similar to your list of nodes at a certain point of time.

Ok, so you rather not use Objective evidence even if it's indirectly tied to the cryptoscene(Majority of computers use Windows>Majority of miners use Windows), but you rather use opinions... Great logic... /s....
hero member
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You're joking...right? The question isn't if something is available, it's what's already being used. Installing Linux would require you to boot from a flashdrive or install it on virtualbox, both of which for most people are unnecessary as shown by the statistics on % of operating systems people use.

What's the Linux % statistics of crypto currency miners? That's the only relevant statistics. Whether your grandma uses Linux or Windows is irrelevant.

That's the whole point, there is no statistics on the % of cryptocurrency miners that use Linux. The only source we have to look at is the % of overall people on this planet that use Linux/Windows, with more than 90% of all computers using the windows operating system...

No we don't have to look at that source, and we actually should not look at it either as it's irrelevant. Similar to your list of nodes at a certain point of time.
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You're joking...right? The question isn't if something is available, it's what's already being used. Installing Linux would require you to boot from a flashdrive or install it on virtualbox, both of which for most people are unnecessary as shown by the statistics on % of operating systems people use.

What's the Linux % statistics of crypto currency miners? That's the only relevant statistics. Whether your grandma uses Linux or Windows is irrelevant.

That's the whole point, there is no statistics on the % of cryptocurrency miners that use Linux. The only source we have to look at is the % of overall people on this planet that use Linux/Windows, with more than 90% of all computers using the windows operating system...

Linux is less used than even OS X...
hero member
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You're joking...right? The question isn't if something is available, it's what's already being used. Installing Linux would require you to boot from a flashdrive or install it on virtualbox, both of which for most people are unnecessary as shown by the statistics on % of operating systems people use.

What's the Linux % statistics of crypto currency miners? That's the only relevant statistics. Whether your grandma uses Linux or Windows is irrelevant.
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Stop being subjective, use only what's known, please and thank you. What's known is what turtle83 has recorded, saying anything otherwise like you have been, is stupid and illogical.

What is stupid and illogical is thinking a snapshot of nodes one client was seeing at a certain time is the total list of the nodes that were mining before and after the fact.


Someone owning 11% of all Dash coins, coupled with Dash having 35% of it's current coin supply stem from a 2 day instamine, is Horrible Distribution. Get real.

And how do you know how many people mined those 35%, and how many of them kept them all?

Ok let's recap what happened.

Evan released Dash before it's intended release date. He also released it so it could only be mined on Linux(Take note that 90%+ of all computers use Windows as the operating system). By those two factors, we can assume that not as many people mined Dash as they would have mined a coin that was released on time and available to mine on Windows, Mac, and Linux. Proof of this is in the Dash thread, where the first pages are riddled with users complaning and being unable to mine.

The only nodes we know of are the ones turtle83 noted, saying otherwise is foolish. There are no other soures to compare Turtle83's list of nodes to, therefore making any argument of "what if" irrelevant. Stop being subjective, thank you..

Your Linux argument is void, anyone can use it so end of story.

With a name like ProsperityForAll it sounds like an oxymoron to me with the stance your taking...

You're joking...right? The question isn't if something is available, it's what's already being used. Installing Linux would require you to boot from a flashdrive or install it on virtualbox, both of which for most people are unnecessary as shown by the statistics in which the overwhemingly majority of people use the windows operating system. Windows it the most widely used, Linux is one of the least used, therefore making Evan releasing Dash on Linux only as extremely questionable and probably done to optimize the amount of coins he would have been able to instamine.


Was it you or Brilliantrocket that stated you like scams as long as you get to benefit? Please stop the hypocrisy. I didn't know being against scams and fraudelent behavior/activity such as instamnes was a bad thing...well maybe to people like you.
legendary
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Wasn't otoh the guy who claimed to have dumped all of his XMR then posted an "after" screen shot where he was still hiding his XMR balance, or did I get him mixed up with some other troll?

What's the big deal with otoh's dump, botnets dump as much every couple of days and no one's getting outraged about it.

I don't remember anyone being outraged. I do remember being surprised that he claimed to have dumped all of his XMR then posted an "after" screen shot where he was still hiding his XMR balance.
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Stop being subjective, use only what's known, please and thank you. What's known is what turtle83 has recorded, saying anything otherwise like you have been, is stupid and illogical.

What is stupid and illogical is thinking a snapshot of nodes one client was seeing at a certain time is the total list of the nodes that were mining before and after the fact.


Someone owning 11% of all Dash coins, coupled with Dash having 35% of it's current coin supply stem from a 2 day instamine, is Horrible Distribution. Get real.

And how do you know how many people mined those 35%, and how many of them kept them all?

Ok let's recap what happened.

Evan released Dash before it's intended release date. He also released it so it could only be mined on Linux(Take note that 90%+ of all computers use Windows as the operating system). By those two factors, we can assume that not as many people mined Dash as they would have mined a coin that was released on time and available to mine on Windows, Mac, and Linux. Proof of this is in the Dash thread, where the first pages are riddled with users complaning and being unable to mine.

The only nodes we know of are the ones turtle83 noted, saying otherwise is foolish. There are no other soures to compare Turtle83's list of nodes to, therefore making any argument of "what if" irrelevant. Stop being subjective, thank you..

Your Linux argument is void, anyone can use it so end of story.

With a name like ProsperityForAll it sounds like an oxymoron to me with the stance your taking...
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Wasn't otoh the guy who claimed to have dumped all of his XMR then posted an "after" screen shot where he was still hiding his XMR balance, or did I get him mixed up with some other troll?

What's the big deal with otoh's dump, botnets dump as much every couple of days and no one's getting outraged about it.
hero member
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Stop being subjective, use only what's known, please and thank you. What's known is what turtle83 has recorded, saying anything otherwise like you have been, is stupid and illogical.

What is stupid and illogical is thinking a snapshot of nodes one client was seeing at a certain time is the total list of the nodes that were mining before and after the fact.


Someone owning 11% of all Dash coins, coupled with Dash having 35% of it's current coin supply stem from a 2 day instamine, is Horrible Distribution. Get real.

And how do you know how many people mined those 35%, and how many of them kept them all?

Ok let's recap what happened.

Evan released Dash before it's intended release date. He also released it so it could only be mined on Linux. By those two factors, we can assume that not as many people mined Dash as they would have mined a coin that was released on time and available to mine on Windows, Mac, and Linux.

The only nodes we know of are the ones turtle83 noted, saying otherwise is foolish. There are no other soures to compare Turtle83's list of nodes to, therefore making any argument of "what if" irrelevant. Stop being subjective, thank you..

You are stating it has horrible distribution as a fact. I just hoped you could somehow show that instead of assuming things the way that they conform with your agenda. I guess not then.

You can't make any other conclusion from the node list than at least those nodes were online at some point before turtle83 posted the list. Nothing else. Stop being stupid, thank you..
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Stop being subjective, use only what's known, please and thank you. What's known is what turtle83 has recorded, saying anything otherwise like you have been, is stupid and illogical.

What is stupid and illogical is thinking a snapshot of nodes one client was seeing at a certain time is the total list of the nodes that were mining before and after the fact.


Someone owning 11% of all Dash coins, coupled with Dash having 35% of it's current coin supply stem from a 2 day instamine, is Horrible Distribution. Get real.

And how do you know how many people mined those 35%, and how many of them kept them all?

Ok let's recap what happened.

Evan released Dash before it's intended release date. He also released it so it could only be mined on Linux(Take note that 90%+ of all computers use Windows as the operating system). By those two factors, we can assume that not as many people mined Dash as they would have mined a coin that was released on time and available to mine on Windows, Mac, and Linux. Proof of this is in the Dash thread, where the first pages are riddled with users complaning and being unable to mine.

The only nodes we know of are the ones turtle83 noted, saying otherwise is foolish. There are no other soures to compare Turtle83's list of nodes to, therefore making any argument of "what if" irrelevant. Stop being subjective, thank you..
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