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Quote from: Erkallys on January 16, 2016, 09:12:31 PM

Until you'll be able to publicly prove why Bitcoin Classic is a good thing for users, not for big companies, the only one who will be spreading nonsense will be you !

From BitcoinClassic website:

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In the future we will continue to release updates that are in line with Satoshi’s whitepaper & vision, and are agreed upon by the community.

I did not come to Bitcoin to just use off-chain transactions, which is the goal of Bitcoin Core developers. Bitcoin Classic is reasonable and will increase onchain capacity only to the size so regular home PC will be ok to run full nodes, thus no wories of loosing decentralization.

Also Gavin is known to make code simple so no way the code become unnecesary complicated for future developers.

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Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 09:22:12 PM

Quote from: Erkallys on January 16, 2016, 09:12:31 PM

Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 09:11:26 PM

Quote from: Erkallys on January 16, 2016, 09:06:59 PM

Quote from: keepdoing on January 16, 2016, 08:59:29 PM

Quote from: manselr on January 16, 2016, 08:54:23 PM

Your poll is based upon the delusional false premise of Classiccoin fork being a success. Also it implies that Bitcoin will ever scale to global levels without Lightning Network which is impossible (without datacenters as nodes which is the death of Bitcoin). You need a lot of reading to do before you want to play.

Actually, I am but a simple and humble mathematician. Approximately 75% of Miners supporting Classic = CLASSIC! Yayyyy!

www.BitcoinClassic.com

So just because theorically around 75% of the miners support Bitcoin Classic you say that it is the best thing ever ? Also, can you prove that there is 75% of the miners that support it ? I don't think so.

Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: Erkallys on January 16, 2016, 08:43:58 PM
Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 08:40:29 PM
Unfortunately, there's a poll choice missing:

E) The R3 classic altcoin follows XT out the door.

That's a possibilty, but with all the big players following it, it may not be the case. By the way, why are you saying "The R3 classic altcoin" instead of Bitcoin Classic. I can understand the term of altcoin, but why R3 ? I've seen it a few times before but I never undertsood his usage. Can you enlight me please ? Also, he'll never add such an option. You can't be more pro-Bitcoin Classic than him.

Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying.

So why a consortium that wants to kill Bitcoin would have created a fork dedicated to the profit ? I don't see their interest to fork Bitcoin if their aim is to destroy it.

The hard fork itself could destroy it.

So you mean that a big part of the Bitcoin companies, biggest pools and developpers are just dumb ? Why would they support something that will kill all their profit ? Also, if the 75% majority wants Bitcoin Classic, won't it be a softfork ?

Any fork could pose a problem for bitcoin.

Would the problem come from the ethical side or the technical one ? A fork never happened yet, after 7 years of existance ? Why do the developpers don't stop to secede again and again these times ?

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 09:22:12 PM

#36

Quote from: Erkallys on January 16, 2016, 09:12:31 PM
Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 09:11:26 PM
Quote from: Erkallys on January 16, 2016, 09:06:59 PM
Quote from: keepdoing on January 16, 2016, 08:59:29 PM
Quote from: manselr on January 16, 2016, 08:54:23 PM
Your poll is based upon the delusional false premise of Classiccoin fork being a success. Also it implies that Bitcoin will ever scale to global levels without Lightning Network which is impossible (without datacenters as nodes which is the death of Bitcoin). You need a lot of reading to do before you want to play.
Actually, I am but a simple and humble mathematician. Approximately 75% of Miners supporting Classic = CLASSIC! Yayyyy!

www.BitcoinClassic.com

So just because theorically around 75% of the miners support Bitcoin Classic you say that it is the best thing ever ? Also, can you prove that there is 75% of the miners that support it ? I don't think so.

Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: Erkallys on January 16, 2016, 08:43:58 PM
Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 08:40:29 PM
Unfortunately, there's a poll choice missing:

E) The R3 classic altcoin follows XT out the door.

That's a possibilty, but with all the big players following it, it may not be the case. By the way, why are you saying "The R3 classic altcoin" instead of Bitcoin Classic. I can understand the term of altcoin, but why R3 ? I've seen it a few times before but I never undertsood his usage. Can you enlight me please ? Also, he'll never add such an option. You can't be more pro-Bitcoin Classic than him.

Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying.

So why a consortium that wants to kill Bitcoin would have created a fork dedicated to the profit ? I don't see their interest to fork Bitcoin if their aim is to destroy it.

The hard fork itself could destroy it.

So you mean that a big part of the Bitcoin companies, biggest pools and developpers are just dumb ? Why would they support something that will kill all their profit ? Also, if the 75% majority wants Bitcoin Classic, won't it be a softfork ?

Quote from: keepdoing on January 16, 2016, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 09:01:54 PM
Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying.

INCOMING! INCOMING! ....................SPLAAAAAAAT!

eewwwwwww, that FUD is ugly! Yucky, smelly FUD. icky!

Until you'll be able to publicly prove why Bitcoin Classic is a good thing for users, not for big companies, the only one who will be spreading nonsense will be you !

Any fork could pose a problem for bitcoin.

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 09:20:53 PM

#35

How's that Poll Coming? Have you voted yet? What do the results look like?

Awwww. you blockstream guyz! You guuuyzzz! Making so many friends!

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 09:18:23 PM

#34

Quote from: keepdoing on January 16, 2016, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 09:01:54 PM
Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying.

INCOMING! INCOMING! ....................SPLAAAAAAAT!

eewwwwwww, that FUD is ugly! Yucky, smelly FUD. icky!

Whatever. I think classic is the real FUD, though. There are many people that do not want bitcoin to succeed. They disguise themselves and are good at infiltration. They want to crack bitcoin before the halving. They are everywhere and often where you least expect them.

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 09:18:03 PM

#33

Quote from: Erkallys on January 16, 2016, 09:12:31 PM
Quote from: keepdoing on January 16, 2016, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 09:01:54 PM
Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying.

INCOMING! INCOMING! ....................SPLAAAAAAAT!

eewwwwwww, that FUD is ugly! Yucky, smelly FUD. icky!

Until you'll be able to publicly prove why Bitcoin Classic is a good thing for users, not for big companies, the only one who will be spreading nonsense will be you !

Aaaaiiiigghhhhh! Lookout! ....................SPLAAAAAAAT!

Gross! More FUD! Don't touch it! You'll get it on your hands and it is hard to wash off!

Erkallys

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 09:12:31 PM

#32

Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 09:11:26 PM
Quote from: Erkallys on January 16, 2016, 09:06:59 PM
Quote from: keepdoing on January 16, 2016, 08:59:29 PM
Quote from: manselr on January 16, 2016, 08:54:23 PM
Your poll is based upon the delusional false premise of Classiccoin fork being a success. Also it implies that Bitcoin will ever scale to global levels without Lightning Network which is impossible (without datacenters as nodes which is the death of Bitcoin). You need a lot of reading to do before you want to play.
Actually, I am but a simple and humble mathematician. Approximately 75% of Miners supporting Classic = CLASSIC! Yayyyy!

www.BitcoinClassic.com

So just because theorically around 75% of the miners support Bitcoin Classic you say that it is the best thing ever ? Also, can you prove that there is 75% of the miners that support it ? I don't think so.

Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: Erkallys on January 16, 2016, 08:43:58 PM
Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 08:40:29 PM
Unfortunately, there's a poll choice missing:

E) The R3 classic altcoin follows XT out the door.

That's a possibilty, but with all the big players following it, it may not be the case. By the way, why are you saying "The R3 classic altcoin" instead of Bitcoin Classic. I can understand the term of altcoin, but why R3 ? I've seen it a few times before but I never undertsood his usage. Can you enlight me please ? Also, he'll never add such an option. You can't be more pro-Bitcoin Classic than him.

Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying.

So why a consortium that wants to kill Bitcoin would have created a fork dedicated to the profit ? I don't see their interest to fork Bitcoin if their aim is to destroy it.

The hard fork itself could destroy it.

So you mean that a big part of the Bitcoin companies, biggest pools and developpers are just dumb ? Why would they support something that will kill all their profit ? Also, if the 75% majority wants Bitcoin Classic, won't it be a softfork ?

Quote from: keepdoing on January 16, 2016, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 09:01:54 PM
Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying.

INCOMING! INCOMING! ....................SPLAAAAAAAT!

eewwwwwww, that FUD is ugly! Yucky, smelly FUD. icky!

Until you'll be able to publicly prove why Bitcoin Classic is a good thing for users, not for big companies, the only one who will be spreading nonsense will be you !

orpington

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 09:11:26 PM

#31

Quote from: Erkallys on January 16, 2016, 09:06:59 PM
Quote from: keepdoing on January 16, 2016, 08:59:29 PM
Quote from: manselr on January 16, 2016, 08:54:23 PM
Your poll is based upon the delusional false premise of Classiccoin fork being a success. Also it implies that Bitcoin will ever scale to global levels without Lightning Network which is impossible (without datacenters as nodes which is the death of Bitcoin). You need a lot of reading to do before you want to play.
Actually, I am but a simple and humble mathematician. Approximately 75% of Miners supporting Classic = CLASSIC! Yayyyy!

www.BitcoinClassic.com

So just because theorically around 75% of the miners support Bitcoin Classic you say that it is the best thing ever ? Also, can you prove that there is 75% of the miners that support it ? I don't think so.

Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: Erkallys on January 16, 2016, 08:43:58 PM
Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 08:40:29 PM
Unfortunately, there's a poll choice missing:

E) The R3 classic altcoin follows XT out the door.

That's a possibilty, but with all the big players following it, it may not be the case. By the way, why are you saying "The R3 classic altcoin" instead of Bitcoin Classic. I can understand the term of altcoin, but why R3 ? I've seen it a few times before but I never undertsood his usage. Can you enlight me please ? Also, he'll never add such an option. You can't be more pro-Bitcoin Classic than him.

Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying.

So why a consortium that wants to kill Bitcoin would have created a fork dedicated to the profit ? I don't see their interest to fork Bitcoin if their aim is to destroy it.

The hard fork itself could destroy it.

keepdoing

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 09:09:23 PM

#30

Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 09:01:54 PM
Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying.

INCOMING! INCOMING! ....................SPLAAAAAAAT!

eewwwwwww, that FUD is ugly! Yucky, smelly FUD. icky!

orpington

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 09:08:26 PM

#29

Quote from: keepdoing on January 16, 2016, 08:59:29 PM
Quote from: manselr on January 16, 2016, 08:54:23 PM
Your poll is based upon the delusional false premise of Classiccoin fork being a success. Also it implies that Bitcoin will ever scale to global levels without Lightning Network which is impossible (without datacenters as nodes which is the death of Bitcoin). You need a lot of reading to do before you want to play.
Actually, I am but a simple and humble mathematician. Approximately 75% of Miners supporting Classic = CLASSIC! Yayyyy!

www.BitcoinClassic.com

Actually. not true. The term used by at least one miner pool was "welcome" not "support". Different.

As soon as miners understand this "classic" thing is not viable(soon), they'll switch to a real bitcoin pool(Core).

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 09:06:59 PM

#28

Quote from: keepdoing on January 16, 2016, 08:59:29 PM
Quote from: manselr on January 16, 2016, 08:54:23 PM
Your poll is based upon the delusional false premise of Classiccoin fork being a success. Also it implies that Bitcoin will ever scale to global levels without Lightning Network which is impossible (without datacenters as nodes which is the death of Bitcoin). You need a lot of reading to do before you want to play.
Actually, I am but a simple and humble mathematician. Approximately 75% of Miners supporting Classic = CLASSIC! Yayyyy!

www.BitcoinClassic.com

So just because theorically around 75% of the miners support Bitcoin Classic you say that it is the best thing ever ? Also, can you prove that there is 75% of the miners that support it ? I don't think so.

Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: Erkallys on January 16, 2016, 08:43:58 PM
Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 08:40:29 PM
Unfortunately, there's a poll choice missing:

E) The R3 classic altcoin follows XT out the door.

That's a possibilty, but with all the big players following it, it may not be the case. By the way, why are you saying "The R3 classic altcoin" instead of Bitcoin Classic. I can understand the term of altcoin, but why R3 ? I've seen it a few times before but I never undertsood his usage. Can you enlight me please ? Also, he'll never add such an option. You can't be more pro-Bitcoin Classic than him.

Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying.

So why a consortium that wants to kill Bitcoin would have created a fork dedicated to the profit ? I don't see their interest to fork Bitcoin if their aim is to destroy it.

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 09:02:09 PM

#27

Quote from: keepdoing on January 16, 2016, 06:26:27 PM
And so it starts, as we count down the days to the Bitcoin Classic Hard Fork....

Blockstream/Core supporters are spewing ::: FUD. Bitterness. Denial. Sabotage.

But with broad consensus and support on all sides, it is apparent that Classic will prevail, and soon this legacy of Blockstream/Core will be over, their little attempted takeover of Bitcoin ended. I wonder how they will be remembered and treated afterwards. Personally I say let some other team introduce sidechains if they are to be supported. Its just code. Somebody else will rise up and do a proper sidechain - without trying to cripple bitcoin in the process.

But what do you think? How do you think they should be treated? Vote in the poll.

www.BitcoinClassic.com <<

It seems you don't care about bitcoin. Stop this nonsense. Think.

If classic is deployed, it will fracture bitcoin community, you can bet your coins the value will drop drastically. Network will split which might create multiple flavours of "bitcoin".

Where do people get this idea, core is bad, classic is good. Miners might shoot themselves in the foot by selecting classic. Bitcoin price will collapse and people will not touch it for a very long time. People will walk away. Mining worthless coins will not continue for long.

Instead they should follow core roadmap, IMHO.

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 09:01:54 PM

#26

Quote from: Erkallys on January 16, 2016, 08:43:58 PM
Quote from: orpington on January 16, 2016, 08:40:29 PM
Unfortunately, there's a poll choice missing:

E) The R3 classic altcoin follows XT out the door.

That's a possibilty, but with all the big players following it, it may not be the case. By the way, why are you saying "The R3 classic altcoin" instead of Bitcoin Classic. I can understand the term of altcoin, but why R3 ? I've seen it a few times before but I never undertsood his usage. Can you enlight me please ? Also, he'll never add such an option. You can't be more pro-Bitcoin Classic than him.

Mike Hearn now (or maybe always did) works for/with R3, a big bank consortium that would like to see bitcoin crumble. "classic" is likely their latest attempt to do this. They will keep trying.

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 08:59:29 PM

#25

Quote from: manselr on January 16, 2016, 08:54:23 PM
Your poll is based upon the delusional false premise of Classiccoin fork being a success. Also it implies that Bitcoin will ever scale to global levels without Lightning Network which is impossible (without datacenters as nodes which is the death of Bitcoin). You need a lot of reading to do before you want to play.
Actually, I am but a simple and humble mathematician. Approximately 75% of Miners supporting Classic = CLASSIC! Yayyyy!

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 08:56:40 PM

#24

keepdoing, I'm still waiting for your explanation on why Bitcoin Classic is so good. If you fail to explain it here, this will prove that you're just a paid puppet, like proposed in this poll !

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 08:54:23 PM

#23

Your poll is based upon the delusional false premise of Classiccoin fork being a success. Also it implies that Bitcoin will ever scale to global levels without Lightning Network which is impossible (without datacenters as nodes which is the death of Bitcoin). You need a lot of reading to do before you want to play.

keepdoing

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 08:54:19 PM

#22

Quote from: keepdoing on January 16, 2016, 06:26:27 PM
And so it starts, as we count down the days to the Bitcoin Classic Hard Fork....

Blockstream/Core supporters are spewing ::: FUD. Bitterness. Denial. Sabotage.

But with broad consensus and support on all sides, it is apparent that Classic will prevail, and soon this legacy of Blockstream/Core will be over, their little attempted takeover of Bitcoin ended. I wonder how they will be remembered and treated afterwards. Personally I say let some other team introduce sidechains if they are to be supported. Its just code. Somebody else will rise up and do a proper sidechain - without trying to cripple bitcoin in the process.

But what do you think? How do you think they should be treated? Vote in the poll.

www.BitcoinClassic.com <<
The above is worth repeating.

Quantus

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 08:48:46 PM

#21

If you don't like this poll consider voting in my poll

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/poll-how-will-member-keepdoing-be-remembered-1330664

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 08:48:13 PM

#20

Quote from: MicroGuy on January 16, 2016, 06:31:23 PM
In my opinion, this bitcoin classic thing is a horrible idea.

We just need core to roll out either 2MB or 4MB blocks and be done with all this nonsense.

+1

Could not agree more. What is the rush? It seems like these classic guys want to control the source (and fuck it up later on by adding other crap
without proper testing)

Kinda childish if you ask me.

Go start your own alt coin, call it "better, classic, super trupper bitcoin" whatever you want.

Core guys get what bitcoin is all about. Decentralized, independent, global, store of value.

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Re: POLL: How will Blockstream/Core Be Remembered?

January 16, 2016, 08:47:55 PM

#19

The number of banker shills on this forum must be at an all-time high!