[ POLL ] IBF Heavyweight Title Fight: Joshua vs Dubois 21st September 2024

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There is no Usyk vs Wilder fight, did you mean Fury vs Usyk rematch?

As for Joshua, he is a boxer past his best and past his prime. Even at his peak he was not exactly the best but he was in the right place at the right time and he managed to become world champion. I think he was overrated and he was definitely technically inferior when he faced the opponents that defeated him because they were better. That is what it comes down to.

Whether or not Dubois has a fight before the IBF announces their mandatory number one contender on 22nd April 2025, he deserves a unification fight.

Quote from: Dave1 on October 31, 2024, 06:20:05 AM

Yes, this has been mentioned by Frank Warren himself, and the thing is that he also promoted Frank Wardley, so most likely this fight is going to be made. Wardley though is rank #12, so this could be just a get busy fight for him.

And probably next could be a potential rematch with AJ or he could be looking at the winner of Usyk vs Wilder for the unification. So the future looks good for Dubois as that win against AJ is really the breaking point of his career.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 31, 2024, 03:01:04 AM

As there is hardly any action by Joshua or his team to ask for a rematch with Dubois, rumours about a fight with Wardley began to circulate. That was when the IBF president (Daryl Peoples) announced Dubois was allowed to make an optional defence against any ranked boxer as long as the fight takes place before 22nd April 2025. It seems as though Dubois could be in the ring with Wardley next.

Yes, this has been mentioned by Frank Warren himself, and the thing is that he also promoted Frank Wardley, so most likely this fight is going to be made. Wardley though is rank #12, so this could be just a get busy fight for him.

And probably next could be a potential rematch with AJ or he could be looking at the winner of Usyk vs Wilder for the unification. So the future looks good for Dubois as that win against AJ is really the breaking point of his career.

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As there is hardly any action by Joshua or his team to ask for a rematch with Dubois, rumours about a fight with Wardley began to circulate. That was when the IBF president (Daryl Peoples) announced Dubois was allowed to make an optional defence against any ranked boxer as long as the fight takes place before 22nd April 2025. It seems as though Dubois could be in the ring with Wardley next.

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Quote from: TravelMug on October 16, 2024, 05:48:20 AM

Perhaps Joshua is still tinkering at this point on what or where his career is going to be. I think this is more devastated lost to him as compare to his first defeat on Andy Ruiz as he asked for a immediate rematch. Here, he thought that he was totally in control of everything, even during the pre-fight that everyone thought that he was the bully and Dubois trying to just defend himself.

But in the ring it was totally different, it was a disaster for him that he and maybe his trainer will have to think what is the best move for them.

In that promotional meeting to discuss the fight, Joshua threatened to smash a chair over the head of Dubois and tried to intimidate him. That was when I was 100% sure Dubois would knock him out. As for the defeat itself, yes it seems as though it will be very heavy on Joshua and worse than the Ruiz defeat because he is not getting younger and the younger boxers are eager to make their mark.

Quote from: TravelMug on October 16, 2024, 05:48:20 AM

Maybe a couple of fights, IBF has like Filip Hrgovic, Derek Chisora, and Otto Wallin as 9th, 10th, and 11th rank boxer in their organization. Either one of them could be a good comeback fight for Anthony Joshua.

I do not see Joshua coming back simply because all of the names you mentioned (and some you did not) are all going to be the favourite to win against Joshua. Dubois destroyed him physically and mentally, there is no way back for Joshua but maybe there is a lucrative goodbye fight against Fury (if he loses to Usyk in December).

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 16, 2024, 04:39:58 AM

The IBF has given a statement about their current title holder Dubois regarding his mandatory opponent.

It seems the IBF intend to notify Dubois in April 2025 about fighting in June 2025 against the winner of the Martin Bakole vs Agit Kabayel final eliminator.

There does not seem to be any scope of an immediate rematch against Joshua and to be clear, Dubois has nothing to prove because he not only beat Joshua he inflicted a very heavy defeat.

If Joshua wanted the rematch to happen he would have asked with a couple of days of his defeat. If wants to continue in boxing he will have to navigate a different path in order to try to get another title shot.

If AJ isn't going to rematch Dubois next he should just wait for Fury. I still think he can beat Dubois and he should want the rematch as he's got nothing to lose. If he loses then he's back to where he was, out of line for a belt so just take the Fury fight as that's still the biggest fight and payday of his career. That's assuming Fury beats Usyk otherwise we'll likely see a trilogy there.

I know the first AJ/Dubois fight was very one sided but AJ got clattered in the first round and was struggling with wobbly legs since then onwards. He almost got Dubois at the end but out of desperation went in for the kill and walked right onto a punch that put him to bed. AJ just needs to learn from the first fight and try to be the first one to do damage like Dubois did. Dubois came out with fury like a bull out of the gate and put all the pressure on AJ. Aj needs to do the same. In heavyweight boxing anything can happen and one punch can change everything so AJ needs to do the same and try control the fight at his pace. Hearn and Warren have been teasing the new 5/5 and the rematch on that card would be perfect but if it doesn't happen then I can't see it getting done before the Fury/Usyk fight in December.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 16, 2024, 04:39:58 AM

The IBF has given a statement about their current title holder Dubois regarding his mandatory opponent.

It seems the IBF intend to notify Dubois in April 2025 about fighting in June 2025 against the winner of the Martin Bakole vs Agit Kabayel final eliminator.

There does not seem to be any scope of an immediate rematch against Joshua and to be clear, Dubois has nothing to prove because he not only beat Joshua he inflicted a very heavy defeat.

If Joshua wanted the rematch to happen he would have asked with a couple of days of his defeat. If wants to continue in boxing he will have to navigate a different path in order to try to get another title shot.

Perhaps Joshua is still tinkering at this point on what or where his career is going to be. I think this is more devastated lost to him as compare to his first defeat on Andy Ruiz as he asked for a immediate rematch. Here, he thought that he was totally in control of everything, even during the pre-fight that everyone thought that he was the bully and Dubois trying to just defend himself.

But in the ring it was totally different, it was a disaster for him that he and maybe his trainer will have to think what is the best move for them. Maybe a couple of fights, IBF has like Filip Hrgovic, Derek Chisora, and Otto Wallin as 9th, 10th, and 11th rank boxer in their organization. Either one of them could be a good comeback fight for Anthony Joshua.

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The IBF has given a statement about their current title holder Dubois regarding his mandatory opponent.

It seems the IBF intend to notify Dubois in April 2025 about fighting in June 2025 against the winner of the Martin Bakole vs Agit Kabayel final eliminator.

There does not seem to be any scope of an immediate rematch against Joshua and to be clear, Dubois has nothing to prove because he not only beat Joshua he inflicted a very heavy defeat.

If Joshua wanted the rematch to happen he would have asked with a couple of days of his defeat. If wants to continue in boxing he will have to navigate a different path in order to try to get another title shot.

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From what I could tell when Dubois and Joshua were in the ring when the referee was giving his instructions, Joshua looked scared because he knew he could be on the end of a humiliation. He was never the best (or anywhere near the best) boxer but he was in the right place at the right time until Ruiz destroyed him and then Usyk gave him consecutive defeats. Now Dubois demolished him.

If Joshua were to get in the ring with Whyte or Chisora, even they would probably beat him. In my opinion Parker would definitely beat him and also Zhang, Wilder and Hrgovic therefore he cannot go on a winning steak now. He should retire because he has nothing left after being mentally and physically broken by Dubois.

Quote from: Kemarit on October 10, 2024, 05:41:17 AM

Right, he needs to get a tune up fight next, he needs to puck himself up, get back that confidence in him. Just like when he lost a second time against Usyk. They slowly get him to a 4 fight winning streak, the last one knocking down Ngannou to bolsters his confidence. They could do it again and bounce back

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 10, 2024, 03:53:52 AM

While we wait for the next move by Joshua though most believe he will not want to have a rematch with Dubois, it is Tyson Fury still talking about Joshua. He stated he was willing to wait until he was 50-YEARS-OLD if that was what it took to fight Anthony Joshua. In typical Fury tradition he also stated Joshua "knows he's getting it".

I think Fury knows that it will still be a big money for them to fight at some point. We have been waiting for a all British showdown in the last 4 years or so. It might have a setback though, as he lost to Usyk although there is a rematch.

Quote from: JollyGood on October 10, 2024, 03:53:52 AM

That is all Joshua needs right now while he tries to pick himself up after the brutal humiliating defeat he suffered at the hands of Dubois.

Right, he needs to get a tune up fight next, he needs to puck himself up, get back that confidence in him. Just like when he lost a second time against Usyk. They slowly get him to a 4 fight winning streak, the last one knocking down Ngannou to bolsters his confidence. They could do it again and bounce back

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While we wait for the next move by Joshua though most believe he will not want to have a rematch with Dubois, it is Tyson Fury still talking about Joshua. He stated he was willing to wait until he was 50-YEARS-OLD if that was what it took to fight Anthony Joshua. In typical Fury tradition he also stated Joshua "knows he's getting it".

That is all Joshua needs right now while he tries to pick himself up after the brutal humiliating defeat he suffered at the hands of Dubois.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on September 26, 2024, 05:43:03 AM

Fury looked sick because he knows that the big money fight between him and AJ just took a huge hit. He was even shouting that it had just cost him 150 million.

In some of his interviews in the stadium after the fight, he was extremely disappointed. It was almost as though he thought he would beat Usyk and maybe not have a trilogy and instead fight Joshua. Regardless of who wins (Fury or Usyk), as long as Joshua had defeated Dubois whenever any potential Fury vs Joshua took place it would be far more lucrative and meaningful. Now that Joshua suffered an emphatic loss, that Fury fight seems less important.

Quote from: hilariousetc on September 26, 2024, 05:43:03 AM

There's conflicting accounts of the rematch clause as Hearn has said there is one and Warren says there isn't but one thing is for sure is that the Saudi's can easily make the rematch happen. Dubois seems to want it and it's his biggest fight still so I'm sure it will happen as long as AJ wants it. Maybe he should take that fight next or just wait to fight Fury, especially if Fury loses again in the rematch.

It is clear if the money from the Middle East comes calling for a rematch, it will take a massive effort by Dubois to avoid it regardless of what Hearn and Warren claim was written in their contracts. Money talks at the end of the day but Dubois should get his chance to fight the winner of the Fury vs Usyk rematch. As for Joshua, where will he go from here?

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 23, 2024, 12:18:33 PM

Fury did seem shocked and felt bad for Joshua after Dubois beat him but there was no official announcement between Fury vs Joshua. If that fight ever went ahead it would still be a sell-out at most stadiums. The fact is boxing fans are now moving away from that era and looking forward to the next generation but people will probably still want to see it even though both are past their prime.

Quote from: TopTort777 on September 23, 2024, 06:04:03 AM

Hey, but wasnt Fury planning to fight AJ on Wembley after a rematch against Usyk? Wasnt there a temporary agreement between them for a fight? Btw, have you noticed how little sad Fury looked. Probably he wanted AJ to win (because his name is more popular, he is more media person than Dubois today), so he would fight against a winner. But right now, his potential fight against AJ looks "weaker" in viewers eyes.

Fury looked sick because he knows that the big money fight between him and AJ just took a huge hit. He was even shouting that it had just cost him 150 million.

Quote from: Jating on September 25, 2024, 05:20:57 AM

That will be too bad for AJ to not insert a rematch clause, that is his biggest mistakes, perhaps he think that he will win this fight. And so he is very confident that he doesn't want to have another fight. However, as per this news,

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Daniel Dubois would welcome a rematch with Anthony Joshua, the man he conquered so emphatically on Saturday night, but he'll be watching closely on December 21 when Oleksandr Usyk and Tyson Fury meet in a rematch.

There's conflicting accounts of the rematch clause as Hearn has said there is one and Warren says there isn't but one thing is for sure is that the Saudi's can easily make the rematch happen. Dubois seems to want it and it's his biggest fight still so I'm sure it will happen as long as AJ wants it. Maybe he should take that fight next or just wait to fight Fury, especially if Fury loses again in the rematch.

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This was the decisive punch in the fifth round. After being battered and knocked down several times throughout the fight, Joshua surprisingly caught Dubois with a right hand and that seemed to give him the energy to try to attack Dubois thinking he was going to win the fight.

Unfortunately for Joshua, it was all over a few seconds later when he they both threw a punch at the same time. Joshua tried to hit Dubois with an uppercut but instead got hit with a powerful right hand that knocked him out.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on September 25, 2024, 10:58:52 PM

Quote from: hilariousetc on September 23, 2024, 06:22:16 AM

I dunno. That's what people said about the Ruiz rematch. AJ just got clattered early on and his legs never recovered from the first round so he was fighting to stay on his feet throughout. AJ even hurt Dubois and went in for the kill but walked right on to a counter from Dubois which sent him to sleep.

This is not really comparable to Andy Ruiz. Ruiz got really out of shape and was partying a lot after he beat AJ. Many people thought his win was a fluke and Joshua came in as the betting favorite in the rematch.

I don’t see Joshua improving his defense. If he fights Dubois again, he will get caught again, and with his glass chin, he will get wobbled and KO’d again.

Perhaps the comparison is how AJ was beaten, Ruiz really a powerful puncher like Dubois and didn't get AJ any room to breathe during their fight. And once Ruiz caught AJ, it was over, he wasn't able to recover from that first knockdown, and once he was slightly hit, he will go down just like what Dubois gave to him.

The comparison ends there, and maybe in the rematch, Dubois will train harder than the first time, and probably will not let AJ any time to think. So Dubois has all the options in the world and any choice he made, will give him a lot of money.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on September 23, 2024, 06:22:16 AM

I dunno. That's what people said about the Ruiz rematch. AJ just got clattered early on and his legs never recovered from the first round so he was fighting to stay on his feet throughout. AJ even hurt Dubois and went in for the kill but walked right on to a counter from Dubois which sent him to sleep.

This is not really comparable to Andy Ruiz. Ruiz got really out of shape and was partying a lot after he beat AJ. Many people thought his win was a fluke and Joshua came in as the betting favorite in the rematch.

I don’t see Joshua improving his defense. If he fights Dubois again, he will get caught again, and with his glass chin, he will get wobbled and KO’d again.

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At the moment Dubois is undoubtedly the biggest name in heavyweight boxing and with that title he should think very carefully before jumping in to any fight other than the winner of the Fury vs Usyk rematch. If Dubois gets to fight the winner then it will be a fantastic unification fight in 2025 but if he takes on another opponent then if the worst happens he would lose his belt and also the opportunity at being undisputed heavyweight champion.

I agree, if Fury wins there will probably be a trilogy but if Usyk wins it has to be Usyk vs Dubois next because that will be the fight boxing fans would want to see.

Quote from: Jating on September 25, 2024, 05:20:57 AM

So that will be his next target, the winner of Usyk vs Fury rematch. But if Fury wins then maybe there will be a trilogy after all. Or if Usyk wins then maybe a fight with Dubois is imminent. So all roads lead to Dubois and for sure this young fighter are ready to all the challenges, including a rematch with AJ.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 24, 2024, 01:50:28 PM

Joshua approached the post-fight press conference like a broken man. He did not mention even once about the rematch clause however Hearn did mentioned it before Joshua entered the room stating they have one more fight in their contract with Riyadh Season and things will become clear after Fury and Usyk have their rematch.

As far as Dubois and his promoter Frank Warren are concerned, they had NO rematch clause in their contract that allowed Joshua to ask for another fight. It seems Joshua inserted the clause allowing Dubois to ask for a rematch but did not insert a clause for himself.

Quote from: Dave1 on September 24, 2024, 03:58:24 AM

AJ wanted to take the rematch right away, similar to what he did against Ruiz if I'm not mistaken, and he as able to win in the rematch. Same with Usyk, but he was beaten 2x. So who knows, maybe Dubois will make it 2-0 or AJ make it 1-1 and then go for the decider trilogy.

That will be too bad for AJ to not insert a rematch clause, that is his biggest mistakes, perhaps he think that he will win this fight. And so he is very confident that he doesn't want to have another fight. However, as per this news,

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Daniel Dubois would welcome a rematch with Anthony Joshua, the man he conquered so emphatically on Saturday night, but he'll be watching closely on December 21 when Oleksandr Usyk and Tyson Fury meet in a rematch.

https://www.boxingscene.com/daniel-dubois-next-fight-he-welcomes-anthony-joshua-rematch-also-targets-winner-oleksandr-usyk-tyson-fury--186098

So that will be his next target, the winner of Usyk vs Fury rematch. But if Fury wins then maybe there will be a trilogy after all. Or if Usyk wins then maybe a fight with Dubois is imminent. So all roads lead to Dubois and for sure this young fighter are ready to all the challenges, including a rematch with AJ.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 24, 2024, 01:50:28 PM

Joshua approached the post-fight press conference like a broken man. He did not mention even once about the rematch clause however Hearn did mentioned it before Joshua entered the room stating they have one more fight in their contract with Riyadh Season and things will become clear after Fury and Usyk have their rematch.

As far as Dubois and his promoter Frank Warren are concerned, they had NO rematch clause in their contract that allowed Joshua to ask for another fight. It seems Joshua inserted the clause allowing Dubois to ask for a rematch but did not insert a clause for himself.

Quote from: Dave1 on September 24, 2024, 03:58:24 AM

AJ wanted to take the rematch right away, similar to what he did against Ruiz if I'm not mistaken, and he as able to win in the rematch. Same with Usyk, but he was beaten 2x. So who knows, maybe Dubois will make it 2-0 or AJ make it 1-1 and then go for the decider trilogy.

Yeah, but if Dubois is looking for big money, for sure he might have to agree for a rematch as he will be the A-side this time and not Joshua. He could ask for a 60/40 or even 70/30 split and I think Joshua will be ok with that.

Unless he is going to work his way out, wait for the winner of Usyk vs Fury, it's a fight that will cement his legacy and it's all for the glory and marbles of unifying the belts again. So Dubois has all the options now, not sure about Joshua's path, he is already 35 years old and it seems that he might be on the way out and no longer a fighter that in his prime.

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Joshua approached the post-fight press conference like a broken man. He did not mention even once about the rematch clause however Hearn did mentioned it before Joshua entered the room stating they have one more fight in their contract with Riyadh Season and things will become clear after Fury and Usyk have their rematch.

As far as Dubois and his promoter Frank Warren are concerned, they had NO rematch clause in their contract that allowed Joshua to ask for another fight. It seems Joshua inserted the clause allowing Dubois to ask for a rematch but did not insert a clause for himself.

Quote from: Dave1 on September 24, 2024, 03:58:24 AM

AJ wanted to take the rematch right away, similar to what he did against Ruiz if I'm not mistaken, and he as able to win in the rematch. Same with Usyk, but he was beaten 2x. So who knows, maybe Dubois will make it 2-0 or AJ make it 1-1 and then go for the decider trilogy.

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Quote from: cabron on September 22, 2024, 12:35:11 PM

It's not AJ's first KO loss. Andy Ruiz did it the first and I'm sure the first loss will always be the deepest that some fighters in the past couldn't get over and in the end more loss til they eventually resign. You know a boxer is broken when they behave like no one can save them anymore like what Tyson Fury did after the loss to Usyk.

Still humiliating though, he had bullied Dubois in the pre-fight interview and you thought that he will beat the hell out of the young Dubois. And in his first, he was still young then, but now, I'm not saying that he is out of his prime, but with this kind of lost, you have to think or doubt yourself if you can come back.

Quote from: cabron on September 22, 2024, 12:35:11 PM

Aj's loss against Dubois is humiliating at first but he and his fans will forget about this terrible loss when he wins in his next fight. There may even be a Joshua vs Dubois rematch after 2-3 years.

AJ wanted to take the rematch right away, similar to what he did against Ruiz if I'm not mistaken, and he as able to win in the rematch. Same with Usyk, but he was beaten 2x. So who knows, maybe Dubois will make it 2-0 or AJ make it 1-1 and then go for the decider trilogy.

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