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Topic: POLL: Is TradeFortress a scammer? TRUSTED FORUM MEMBER, lol - page 3. (Read 14583 times)

sr. member
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Never spend your money before you have it.
Compilation of a few of the different scams TF has done:
#0 - Scammed over 4,000 BITCOINS! from idiots who trusted his website and investment "service" despite my thread here outlining his previous scams.
Link will come soon.

#1 - Report of TF committing a nearly identical Programming Scam to how he did me:
I had hired tradefortress to do some programming for me and I had given him a 15btc deposit.  He hasn't responded to any of my messages for a week.  How do I have a scammer tag applied.[...]
JUST and FYI.  Please dont trust Tradefortress he scammed me out of 15 btcs.

#2 - Another reported TF Programming Scam (posted in response to TF scamming me) :
LOL, [TF] did the same thing to me and then made up some BS and still owes me a few BTC but i got over it. [...]
[TF] basically did nearly the same for me, made me a few apps I requested but the apps werent in the time frame I need and there were lots of excuses he threw in and some BS about him wanting half up front to make half the apps the rest to finish it when he didnt mention that. Then the apps he didnt give me any details about what the apps did at all simply naming them app1,app2 and so on.

#3 - TF scamming through ripple:
Just facts: TradeFortress issued IOUs and sent them to users who trusted him. IOU means "I owe you". Thus he admitted that he owes to that people.
Question: If one owes to people who trust him, but is not going to pay them, then who is that person?
[TradeFortress] posted on a newbie forum the following: " I am giving away at least 1 BTC per address on Ripple."

You flat out said you are giving away BTC on Ripple.  The only way to do that on Ripple is to issue an IOU since the only trust-free currency on Ripple is XRP.   You are playing on the fact that people don't understand how Ripple works.  That is not a flaw. [...]
[TF] owes me 10.15 BTC that he has taken from me and given to other people.
He has also promised to pay 445+ other people 1 BTC each which he has yet not fullfiled.
Worse, he has done so by asking them for 100 BTC credit, in a deceitful manner, setting up a scenario where many people could be scammed out of a great deal of money.
[...]
I PM'd [TradeFortress] to ask him how he would deal with redeeming IOUs so that anyone could convert his IOUs into BTC.  He wrote...


So in summary he misled people, while counting on their ignorance of how Ripple works, into letting him put them in harm's way so he and his confederates could steal their legitimate IOU's from reputable gateways.

#4 - From tmbp's List of ongoing scams -
Here I will present the current list of ongoing scams in order to protect the community, it has been stripped of all non essentials to keep the community safe from scams, I will hold all Bitcoin businesses for full responsibility:
Tradefortress - Member "Tradefortress"
[/quote]

#5 - Praise for his work on the development of defunct website www.terrawallet.com
[...] I've been working with him for awhile and the site is actually quite complicated: www.terrawallet.com and I've been happy so far.  [...]
TF never did get past the beta stage for terrawallet, which only managed to display a horrible looking and virtually unusable website (as of a few weeks ago). It was finally put out of it's misery after numerous people lost TRC and the code utterly crapped out as described in this thread:
[...]
The wallet is closed and will not reopen. [...] The software was not final version- nor anywhere close and many things had not been taken care of yet.
[...] To those who have written rather nasty messages even before I announced the closure to complain with vulgar language: I probably won't write you back.
I must stress that all users were warned clearly on every page of the site that it was Beta and that there was a very real possibility of losing your coins. I regret that this has happened but I must stress the warning listed on every page:
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"Do not lose your password- it can not be reset! As the Value of TRC rises on the exchange we must say again- this is BETA and with no warrenty! Also, don't store more coins then you can afford to lose- this site is still yet BETA and we won't take any responsbility for hacks, intrusions, coding errors or negligence! Don't be stupid. [...]"

I will be posting the source code for the wallet soon.  
If the code is ever revealed, users should ignore reviewing the worthless source code seeing how horrible the site looked and performed during it's perpetual "beta" stage.
Reviews and feedback of that site are here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135974.0;all

#6 - My encounter with TF:
I hired TF in December, 2012.
Paid TF a total of 27 btc for a "2 week" job that he couldn't finish in over 2 months.
TF offered to pay for arbitration around early March after I fired him towards the end of Febuary when I realized that he couldn't code the site and would continue to deliver unusable "final versions" of the site.
Later in March, TF refused to pay any share of arbitration or participate in it, even after I paid half the fee to judge.me (which judge.me is refusing to refund).
Around that time, I released the code that TF provided as his final product, it shows the incompetence of his programming.
I saw the code, half it's functions were not working, the structure looks like it was made by a 14 year old with 2 months experience.
IMHO, the job that MoneyPakTrader paid for was not delivered in time nor completed, so he deserves at-least a partial refund.
This applies: "When the script was delivered to me, some of the features weren't working"
In late March, early April I contracted with a developer who coded the site (moneypaktrader.com) which needed a "complete rewrite". This was finished in late April when it was publicly launched. Since then development has been done on a per issue basis, such as after  TF performed an unauthorized penetration test, leading to some site developments to repair that vulnerability.

TF has continually refused to either deliver a final usable version of the website I paid him in full for or refund any of the deposits I sent to him (totaling 27 BTC). I already paid for moneypaktrader.com to be created by another programmer, so TF owes a full refund for his failure to perform on the programming contract as I have plenty of evidence for. I have committed to turning over 100% of recovered btc to charity and will honor that promise in the unlikely event any recoveries are made.

There's plenty of links in this thread to realize that no matter how many people *like* TF, he scammed me on the web-development. And no matter how many people *dislike* me and who I do business with, I was the victim of TF's web-development scam similar to numerous other users.

Message me if you have something to add.
vip
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Looks like TF is laying low, looking for a big scam opportunity at this point

Is he?  I see him very active promoting his many popular websites.  People seem to trust him, and like him.  Have you considered the issue might be you?


This would be my guess.
From what I read, he has hired another developer for MoneyPakTrader.com, but found him "unworkable".
KWH
legendary
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In Collateral I Trust.
Looks like TF is laying low, looking for a big scam opportunity at this point

Is he?  I see him very active promoting his many popular websites.  People seem to trust him, and like him.  Have you considered the issue might be you?


This would be my guess.
Vod
legendary
Activity: 3668
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Licking my boob since 1970
No, I'm not going to blame the victim, regardless of "likability", gtfo, lol.

Well, this is the first time I have interacted with you, and you've already been an ass.

The large red warnings under your name to the left back it up - the issue is with you, not TradeFortress.
sr. member
Activity: 472
Merit: 250
Never spend your money before you have it.
Looks like TF is laying low, looking for a big scam opportunity at this point, with only intermittent scam sightings, such as the one from May where TF facilitated someone getting scammed through ripple (possibly by TF, possibly by an associate).
Followed up on the public ripple ledger.

Shortly after he initially sent the BTC back to me, he sent one of his IOUs for 15BTC to bitcointalk user aadje93 ripple address rMyHUbgreHFvvxoD5pGmg1fKRdSBHisy39 who then immediately withdrew 9.15 BTC to bitstamp.

See https://ripple.com/graph/#rH3bZsvVUhzugvcYuJVoSYCEMHkfK6wHNv


Mods: please check the IPs of this user aadje93 to see if it's the same as TradeFortress.

The other 1 BTC was done as a test by a member who said they'd be happy to it back to me, even though they don't owe it, tradefortress does.


Is he?  I see him very active promoting his many popular websites.  People seem to trust him, and like him.  Have you considered the issue might be you?

No, I'm not going to blame the victim, regardless of "likability", gtfo, lol.

Someone scams 1% and is liked by some people so we should forgive him?

"Obviously you're not going to convince me, since I actually got scammed by [TF] for 27 Bitcoins plus the 1 Bitcoin judge.me took from me on arbitration after [TF] said [he]'d pay the fee and never did."
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
Looks like TF is laying low, looking for a big scam opportunity at this point

Is he?  I see him very active promoting his many popular websites.  People seem to trust him, and like him.  Have you considered the issue might be you?
sr. member
Activity: 472
Merit: 250
Never spend your money before you have it.
Very convincing, a significant amount of votes that you don't scam. You're good at BSing excuses.

Obviously you're not going to convince me, since I actually got scammed by you for 27 Bitcoins plus the 1 Bitcoin judge.me took from me on arbitration after you said you'd pay the fee and never did.

You only need to scam 1% of your interactions to make a sizable amount of coin and apparently not face repercussions from the community.
Meanwhile, I'm out 27 bitcoins regardless because the any recovered coins are already written off and would be donated to charity as I already explained.

Looks like TF is laying low, looking for a big scam opportunity at this point, with only intermittent scam sightings, such as the one from May where TF facilitated someone getting scammed through ripple (possibly by TF, possibly by an associate).
Followed up on the public ripple ledger.

Shortly after he initially sent the BTC back to me, he sent one of his IOUs for 15BTC to bitcointalk user aadje93 ripple address rMyHUbgreHFvvxoD5pGmg1fKRdSBHisy39 who then immediately withdrew 9.15 BTC to bitstamp.

See https://ripple.com/graph/#rH3bZsvVUhzugvcYuJVoSYCEMHkfK6wHNv


Mods: please check the IPs of this user aadje93 to see if it's the same as TradeFortress.

The other 1 BTC was done as a test by a member who said they'd be happy to it back to me, even though they don't owe it, tradefortress does.

Is there a comprehensive list of TF's scams? I've only seen the scattered threads (4 plus separate claims) which require some digging to get to.
vip
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Probably because I'm not a scammer?

I don't use shill accounts to vote.
sr. member
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Never spend your money before you have it.
multi-voting using shill accounts?
That would explain why so many votes are against the compelling evidence of TF's scam

[...] I could vote a few dozen times..
sr. member
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Never spend your money before you have it.
More similar posts about TF scamming:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211115.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=207841.0;all

Sorry, a search of "tradefortress scam" is going to give you 7 or more pages of forum threads to go through for other accusations.
sr. member
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Yes and I described you as one of his schills. Where he is caught you are there trying to cover it up. 
Vod
legendary
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Trade bring's on most these threads himself! I would advise him to just apologies for everything he has scammed (according to the 33% who got robbed and voted) and move along trying to rebuild his horrible reputation. He never completely scammed me but he does troll a lot and make him self look suspicious by posting invalid arguments all over bitcointalk.org. SO far I would not trust him at all until he (HIMSELF not anyone of his schills) come out and fixes his wrongs.

You just described yourself.   Roll Eyes
sr. member
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Trade bring's on most these threads himself! I would advise him to just apologies for everything he has scammed (according to the 33% who got robbed and voted) and move along trying to rebuild his horrible reputation. He never completely scammed me but he does troll a lot and make him self look suspicious by posting invalid arguments all over bitcointalk.org. SO far I would not trust him at all until he (HIMSELF not anyone of his schills) come out and fixes his wrongs.
sr. member
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Never spend your money before you have it.
[claims with no reference links and no shred of evidence]

A little late to dispute that allegation I made so long ago. . .
[...]
It was at this time I noticed him advertising his [programming] work on my site, so in addition to telling him his work was horrible (in more explicit words, outlining the problems), I also told him:
"I have a major problem with you advertising work done for my site when the site is totally non-operational for the first (and most important) product I'm trying to sell. Also, you're practically in default of our contract. Please don't claim responsibility for my site while your work is incomplete. Once the site works of course, it's a dif't story."
He replied: "yes it's 100% my fault and I will get it working." but didn't remove his claims to my site from his advertising thread (which he abandoned after I called him out).
The site was having extensive/critical errors and continued while he messaged me saying the site was finished and errors were fixed, even though it continued to be incomplete/buggy until finally I told him enough is enough after a couple weeks of back and forth with him saying the site is finished and this last time I tested the btc deposit it gets lost and doesn't forward properly.
[...]

*Unless you're contacting me about the security vulnerability disclosure, send $1000 to my address or escrow it with John and I'll happily disclose your site's vulnerability to you.
Then take tradefortress off the [scammer] list.
This +1.

Even if you weren't in some type of collaborative relationship with John, I've already explained that I'm unwilling to let you take any more of my coins, so stop begging for them.
vip
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(specifically the coin forwarding test which failed and the coins were lost)

Fail. Coins do not become lost. If you have lost coins, it is your own fault.

The site did work, I've successfully tested it and then it stopped working after you locked me out of access to the files. I don't know what you did, but as you've said that you'll need to completely recode the site - which you have not done, I'm won't be surprised if you edited the code. No, I've wasted enough time with you, setting up another instance of your website is not worth my time.

If I am a scammer, explain why I've donated what's now worth 500 BTC of ASICMINER shares to my investment fund. Explain how there is zero scammer accusations against coinlenders, btcinvest, or the people who have deposited ~1k BTC of collateral in various forums. Scammers do not scam for $300 and not for scam a few thousand BTC, quite simply because I'm not a scammer.

I've used Bitcoin since 2011. I've had access to servers with >10K BTC before I had any sort of reputation on this forum (other than my freelancing profile reputation). I've actually made investors profit, unlike most of the securities and asset issuers on here.

Q: Why would I 'scam' for $300?
A: I wouldn't.

Q: Why would MoneyPakTrader keep slinging mud?
A: Because he wants to get $2600 from $300. Waaait, he promises to donate to charity! Roll Eyes

Just so you know, here are what your posts look like, and my posts, respectively:



End of story, I'd love to dedicate more time to you but I've got things to do, Bitcoin related and offline. Have fun!*

*Unless you're contacting me about the security vulnerability disclosure, send $1000 to my address or escrow it with John and I'll happily disclose your site's vulnerability to you.

/me promises to *never* click on 'Show' post again from MoneypakTrader.com, there's another 15 minutes of my life gone.
sr. member
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Adding Direct quotes to support the recent addition to the allegations.
Now everything is supported and TF hasn't disputed any of the substance of my claims. His claim is that "the site worked" but he can't provide any code to support that and I have presented evidence that the site didn't work (specifically the coin forwarding test which failed and the coins were lost).
Instead he wants to make large amounts of money by hacking the site I eventually got created by someone else.
I apologize that the history is voluminous because of all the back and forth rhetoric but I've tried to stay on point as much as possible.

[...]
Btw, your site still has a serious security vulnerability. I'll happily disclose it to you for your sum of $1,000, prepaid to my address. Or escrow with John.
[...]
LOL, your site still has a security vulnerability that lets me do anything as any user (including you). Waiting for your payments.

Hey Dumbass,
 I already know you're a lying scammer, my memory isn't that bad. Go Fuck off, [...]
 Your fraud isn't going to work here. [...]

First of all, I did not use a SQL injection, I used XSS. Get your facts right.

Do you want to escrow? [...]
Yeah, I want to make a quick 10 BTC, your site is vulnerable. When are we escrowing with John?

Any recoveries made from TF will be donated to charity as I've said before, but it looks unlikely that anything will be recovered, because that's not how scammers do things.
vip
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Yeah, I want to make a quick 10 BTC, your site is vulnerable. When are we escrowing with John?
sr. member
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Never spend your money before you have it.
[...] Nah, I already agreed to give any recoveries to charity [...]

What did I lie about, I'll correct it, please include the link.
[...] It's impossible for me to prove that you are going to donate anything to charity, or prove that you are not going to donate anything to charity unless that happens (which won't).
[...]
I'll donate $100 or so at a time as you repay your debt.
Any verifiable charity's around?
full member
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He says that I stole 100 BTC, tried to redirect funds to my address, etc, which are completely false. I did get in access to his site Smiley
You're lying about the 100 BTC theft thing, the VALUE RISKED was 100BTC, i.e. the value of my site when you P/T'ed it. I've updated it to clarify.
The redirection might be untrue because the rando address your account had looked like a vanity-gen and I probably made a mistake on that.


Your site is values @ 100btc? LMFAO!
legendary
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OK

I have found TF in dealing with me to be more than fair

Eg, I hired him and advanced him 0.53 BTC to do a codeing job.

About 3 weeks later we finally had a Google chat about the exact specs and he said the job was more expansive than I first described and he was right.

He said he could not do it due to time constraints, and paid me back 0.63 BTC, I pointed out the over payment to me and I offered to return it, and he insisted It was ok.

So he returned more than I sent him, you can't be more fair than that.

I have also noticed TF is not XRP hugest fan.

Another interesting point is TF may be a group of people as I have noticed the way he talks is very different at different times.


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