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Topic: POLL: Is TradeFortress a scammer? TRUSTED FORUM MEMBER, lol - page 5. (Read 14583 times)

sr. member
Activity: 472
Merit: 250
Never spend your money before you have it.
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now months later seeing the rise in BTC you finally decide to go through with arbitration again?
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You're a liar in addition to being a scamming thief!
It may have been months since I paid you, but I never stopped pursuing justice against you!
a) judge.me was delayed by your actions as described above.
b) your breach in failing to finish the site after pocketing my 27 btc is a continuous one and your vague claim about untimeliness has no substance. Obviously if judge.me takes 2 weeks to agree to judge the case and another week or so to ask you to pay (followed by my outing you a week later here), that's no valid reason to weasel out of arbitration.
b) judge.me only accepted the case on March 20 as the quoted text shows (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1824655) they gave you the final notice to pay on March 31. This is obviously not my fault and if you were honest from the start, it wouldn't be an issue.
c) you're doing the same thing you always planned to do as evidenced from the quoted history above, i.e. trying to weasel out of any accountability for scamming me.
I can't understand how people still trust you with all this evidence of how much of a snake you are.
sr. member
Activity: 472
Merit: 250
Never spend your money before you have it.
Update: 
I have paid half the arbitration fee, TF is refusing to pay other half.
Here is the most recent contact from judge.me :
My new offer is paying for legally binding arbination. [...]
[...]@MPT, I will pay for legally binding arbination. [...]
I am offering to pay for legally binding arbitration. You choose any reputable service, I pay for it if it's within the general price range. I suggest judge.me. [...]
I see he now offered to pay the $300 fee to use judge.me [...] I am willing to arbitrate.
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I accept your offer and choice (judge.me). Since you're paying the cost ($300).[...]
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Still no acceptance of legally binding arbitration from MoneyPakTrader.com. Judge.me accepts bitcoin,[...]
TF has refused my settlement offer and is reneging on his arbitration offer.
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Update: TF is apparently reneging on his arbitration offer.
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How can he prove he is not a scammer?
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2) Follow through with his offer to pay for arbitration at judge.me
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UPDATE:
I decided to go ahead and file the case rather than wait for him. It was a simple process and both TF and myself were emailed with the details that he shared already.
 TF has NOT paid the filing fee fore the case I filed at judge.me and I don't see any case that he filed (maybe because he never filed his case?).
The quote he shared appears to be for the case I filed.
I notified judge.me of TF willingness to pay the filing fee which they are waiting for.
Now it is TF turn to pay the fee to complete the filing:
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Bottom Line for TF:
Please pay the full arbitration fee (as you promised above) so we can get to damages issue and have you reimburse my losses from your failure to code properly.
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The BS about arbitration was apparently redirection away from the facts of the dispute. TF has no intention on following through with arbitration at judge.me or anywhere else or he would have done so. It's very simple to file an arbitration claim as I did, but instead TF tried to weasel out on the name issue which he failed at.
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I'm the only person who filed an arbitration claim and TF admitted to interfering with the arbitration process by slandering me to judge.me and failing to file an arbitration case anywhere as his writing shows:
I said I was going to contact judge.me support because you're not identifying yourself with a full legal name. You filed a case regardless, with your summary [...] [No] response [from judge.me] after I mentioned you run a money laundering business on the silk road. Plus, YOU filed the case, you used your summary [...]
TF neither filed an arbitration case nor had any intention of paying an arbitration fee and proceeding with arbitration.
I made this obvious by filing the case and offering to pay half the fee [...]

Summary: TradeFortress is a liar in addition to being a scamming fraudster thief as evidenced by his refusal to pay even half of the arbitration fee (which he originally agreed to pay 100% of).
sr. member
Activity: 472
Merit: 250
Never spend your money before you have it.
If you believe in your site, you can make that 27BTC back, and then be done.
What's your point? I should work and be creative for the benefit of scammers and ignore how much they steal from me?
I've already accepted the loss (all recoveries will be given to charity), so I don't understand your point unless it is to the effect that s successful business owner should subsidize scammers and the like.
I already have plenty of money/BTC, but I continue to expand into areas that benefit more customers under the premise the community will appreciate and reward my massive business contributions.
A system that doesn't offer protection against thieves is a barrier to new business formation and expansion. I want to be in a community that encourages honest trade and discourages thieving/scamming and that's the point of this poll (holding a scammer accountable).
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
Yeah that site is horrible I just looked thru it, but you got to stop bitching and whining your getting it written and move on. TF is kid who wants to be a developer, just leave it alone.
That's fine but since he didn't explain he's a kid who wants to be a developer, but rather said he is a developer, he is therefore a scammer IMHO who may also be a kid who wants to be a developer.
Because I'm paying a developer to do my site I should accept that TF scammed me out of 27BTC and move on?

If you believe in your site, you can make that 27BTC back, and then be done.
sr. member
Activity: 472
Merit: 250
Never spend your money before you have it.
Yeah that site is horrible I just looked thru it, but you got to stop bitching and whining your getting it written and move on. TF is kid who wants to be a developer, just leave it alone.
That's fine but since he didn't explain he's a kid who wants to be a developer, but rather said he is a developer, he is therefore a scammer IMHO who may also be a kid who wants to be a developer.
Because I'm paying a developer to do my site I should accept that TF scammed me out of 27BTC and move on?
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
Yeah that site is horrible I just looked thru it, but you got to stop bitching and whining your getting it written and move on. TF is kid who wants to be a developer, just leave it alone.
KWH
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1045
In Collateral I Trust.
This thread is totally useless.

You'd think that by now he could have learned to code if he used the time to read instead of bitch.

I would have to agree. I would love to see this resolved but it doesn't look hopeful.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 522
This thread is totally useless.

You'd think that by now he could have learned to code if he used the time to read instead of bitch.
KWH
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1045
In Collateral I Trust.
This poll is for sublime's Scammer list - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149147.0;all
My summary/viewpoint :
1) I had a horrible experience trying to get my site coded by TF.
2) He intentionally scammed me out of 27 BTC.
3) He knew he did not have the level of skill or experience required to sell web-programming services for a commercial bitcoin accounts based website.
4) He misrepresented his experience by failing to correct my mistaken belief that he coded a bitcoin accepting website in the past, specifically https://bitzino.com/ the website in his forum sig. This obviates any claim of "buyer beware" for his services.
5) He attempted to do what was necessary to present the appearance of successfully coding my site, but as the code/final site provided reveals, this was still a non-operable site that did not forward bitcoins correctly and was written so poorly and has so many bugs and non-usable aspects it is unsuitable to be sold as commercial website design. The only publicly released version of his final product (as of now) is available here:
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/398233/Moneypak-zip.html
direct link - http://94.75.216.85/en/file/398233/Moneypak-zip.html
I have stopped hosting it since I don't want customers to associate this non-functional and unusable site with my domain. I am instead paying for a complete rewrite of the site.
6) TF has not released a functional version of the website I paid 27 BTC to be completed.
7) TF agreed to pay arbitration, but never filed the case and instead slandered me in emails to the judge.me arbitration service and has not paid the fee for the case I filed at judge.me.
Cool I've agreed to send any funds recovered from TF to charity.
9) TF Scam thread with lengthy details here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126588.0;all
10) TF Review thread with more details of our dispute here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/tradefortress-review-thread-146319
11) TF solicited more work from others, using the non-functional/unfinished web-development he did for me, but few others were actually scammed and one user reports a good experience, however their site is apparently non-functional as of this post (see above threads).
12) Careful review of the evidence in the linked threads will prove TF is a scammer and not a proficient web-developer.



This thread is totally useless.
sr. member
Activity: 472
Merit: 250
Never spend your money before you have it.
This poll is for sublime's Scammer list - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149147.0;all
My summary/viewpoint of charges against TradeFortress:
1) I had a horrible experience trying to get my site coded by TF.
2) He intentionally scammed me out of 27 BTC.
3) He knew he did not have the level of skill or experience required to sell web-programming services for a commercial bitcoin accounts based website.
4) He misrepresented his experience by failing to correct my mistaken belief that he coded a bitcoin accepting website in the past, specifically https://bitzino.com/ the website in his forum sig. This obviates any claim of "buyer beware" for his services.
5) He attempted to do what was necessary to present the appearance of successfully coding my site, but as the code/final site provided reveals, this was still a non-operable site that did not forward bitcoins correctly and was written so poorly and has so many bugs and non-usable aspects it is unsuitable to be sold as commercial website design. The only publicly released version of his final product (as of now) is available here:
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/398233/Moneypak-zip.html
direct link - http://94.75.216.85/en/file/398233/Moneypak-zip.html
I have stopped hosting it since I don't want customers to associate this non-functional and unusable site with my domain. I am instead paying for a complete rewrite of the site.
6) TF has not released a functional version of the website I paid 27 BTC to be completed.
7) TF agreed to pay arbitration, but never filed the case and instead slandered me in emails to the judge.me arbitration service and has not paid the fee for the case I filed at judge.me.
Cool I've agreed to send any funds recovered from TF to charity.
9) TF Scam thread with lengthy details here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126588.0;all
10) TF Review thread with more details of our dispute here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/tradefortress-review-thread-146319
11) TF solicited more work from others, using the non-functional/unfinished web-development he did for me, but few others were actually scammed and one user reports a good experience, however their site is apparently non-functional as of this post (see above threads).
12) Careful review of the evidence in the linked threads will prove TF is a scammer and not a proficient web-developer.
UPDATE:
13) "Penetration Tested" MY SITE without permission: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2352785
14) TF made several unsolicited attempts to extort large amounts of coin for trivial security fixes to my site: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2408594

UPDATE: These are the 2 places to find most of the TF scam reports:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=67058
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2702121
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