Topic: POLL: Sales of hacked, compromised, and/or unauthorized transfers of accounts. - page 3. (Read 7144 times)

shep - 35 posts - 0 donation - helped nobody - complained about this forum - future on this forum : 0 - highly trusted

torac - the smartest person in goods section, most views in less time - 100 satisfied customers, 10 refunded customers, all happy, no complains except shep, idiot  - 250 posts in 1 month - 10 btc donated - prommise to donate 100,000$ - banned

SHEEP! shep ! SHEEP
JAJAJA
YOU ARE IDIOTS SERIOUSLY HOW CAN YOU VOUCH FOR DONATORS TO GET BANNED, HOW?!!!!!!!!!!!11111111

This thread was opened by shep, the sheep leader
Theymos is the manipulated Guy
this forum's people are just sheep, shep is the leader
Shep, you are the leader of sheep. Good job shep! You manipualted, fooled, destroyed, everything. you are the sheep leader

JAJAJAJA
GOOD LUCK EVERYONE

AND REFUND ALL MY DONATIONS, I WILL NEVER DONATE AGAIN. I WILL SELL HERE AND GOOD BYE, STUPID SHEEP, YOU DON'T DESERVE MY HELP, SHEEP!

Shep - you idiot! IDIOT! IDIIOOOOOOOOOOOOT! You destroyed the best system on this forum, check my threads views in 1 month in goods section, you will understand, sheep leader of stupid sheep, shep! )) JAJAJA

Still a scumbag, selling things that aren't yours.

Please do put your skills towards something more useful and productive for society.

Enjoy your exodus

Shep, I am sorry, you should've asked me for refund instead of crying everywhere about it, but It is ok, I respect you anyway, you can ask me for refund anytime I will send all your money back and you can keep whatever I gave you, sorry for the trouble, if you feel bad, or whatever you feel I neglected you, the rules are not against what I just did.

Hi theymos, please read only this PM, the rest don't matter, I was angry, mad, sad.
I said to much bullshit, I swear you, I am sorry.
I will keep it simple, I am sorry for everything, ban me if you really want that, if you feel its the best thing to do, I respect you anyway, you are awesome.
I made 1000$. I donated 130$. I was looking forward to make 1 million dollars and doante 100,000$ ... I sold my stuff cheap and I refunded everyone who asked me to refund them. I wanted the best for you, me, everyone in this forum.
Please reconsider your decision, it is not the best one, it happened before, the admin of that forum regreted it, ask Ganondorf on www.torrentinvites.org, he lost so much money, users, problems, problems, I still sell there on the forum my hacked shit!
Enjoy your best day, your worst decision ever made by locking my threads, it is sad to see such things happen after I donated 10 BTC just after I signed up in 2 weeks only.
I am sorry to everyone who feels offended by me, I tried my best, I did my best, provided cheap, safe, content with refund guaranteed for any reason whatsoever.
I see no rules to prevent selling hacked accounts here, SORRY!
Enjoy the new year, I hope I will be here around to help you all, to donate, to sell things you want to buy.
Torac, The Hacker!

Quoting because legendary

Sorry torac, but what you are doing is illegal, unethical, and immoral (in my eyes).  I completely agree with your banishment from selling these wares on this forum.

Inactive accounts?  What if the user comes back, only to find their account has been "overtaken" by someone else?

It's like stealing a TV from someone's home because you knew they hadn't watched anything on it in 6 months.  It's still their TV, you have no right to take it from them.

Of course, you're going to defend the practice because you are profiting from it.  You only "care" about the forum and people here because it helps put more money in your pocket.

Fuck you shep, unsatisfied customer, why didn't you ask for refund and money to shup UP, I know you figured it out I hack accounts, you think you are smart or whatever you want to say here in this thread and stuff like that but why fuck me over it, I did nothing wrong to you, I never scammed you, I give you refund if you want, what is your problem, I want to be nice...?
ALL MY BUYERS ARE HAPPY
I AM A HACKER, I USE BITCOIN, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANY LAW, NEITHER SHOULD BITCOin

We are ANONYMOUS
We are LEGION
We do not FORGET
We DO NOT FORGIVE !

Treat me good and I'll treat you better treat me bad and I'll treat you worse
I hack only inactive people, I try not to cause any problems, everything I do is safe, will never cause any problems for this FORUM, I will donate, I will pay whatever it takes, just let me sell and be honest, refund any unsatisfied customer and everyone is happy, I am happy, buyers are happy, prices are cheap, everyone goes to sleep happy, 1% cry, 1% are unsatisfied, 1% open complaints, 97% are happy and go to sleep and love bitcoin, hackers, money, cheapness, and all the good things that happen in this life.


I DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE, I JUST DID MY BEST TO TALK WITH YOU !!! PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ME FORGET TRYING TO BE NICE, PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ME WANT TO TREAT YOU WORSE THAN YOU JUST DID : ( YOU DISSAPOINT ME, I WANT TO HELP EVERYONE IN THIS FORUM, MAKE THIS FORUM GROW, PROVIDE CHEAPNESS, HELP EVERYONE, SUPPORT BITCOIN, I LOVE BITCOIN, I LOVE BITCOINTALK, I LOVE THEYOMS, DON"T DISSAPOINT ME, YOU DON"T WANT ME TO HATE YOU ALL!!!

It took a lot of effort to reach this milestone, but I'm glad that the correct decision was reached.  My only concern is that I hope that this policy is enforced.

Thank you for taking a position on hacked accounts.

If the admin of nzbs.org, dognzb.cr, gingadaddy.com and nzb.to email you or contact you directly would you be willing to share torac's pm so that they can identify the hacked accounts

Torac has also invited some friends and associates to join in on the fun. I think you should inspect these new users IP carefully.  The accounts they are selling are not authorized by the admin of nzbs.org.  It would be appreciated by admin if these threads were deleted.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nzbto-account-nzbsorg-account-gingadaddy-invite-for-sell-134004
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nzbsorg-account-for-sale-pls-read-carrefully-topic-updated-regularly-134287
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nzbsorg-accounts-for-sale-available-134356



Theymos does this forum's policy of "free speech" allow publicly posting personally identifiable information of suspected hackers selling hacked/compromised accounts?  Can I post information I've collected on the user known as torac?  Besides the login credentials which you've already seen and have since been disabled by admin of other sites I am unaffiliated with, I have additional information to share. I am still collecting information on his handles, sites, and network of associates and it may be weeks before that information is revealed.

In the meantime can I post his prior history hacking games.  Can I post links to his internet profiles?  Can I publicly post his payment processing information? Can we post images of other members?  Images of prior and or current residences, etc.  I'll leave out information about his friends, and possible relatives because that's going a bit far.

What I'd like to know is what is acceptable for public disclosure on this forum so that I follow policies set in place.

We Need a btc Blacklist on blockchain.info And every Client And Service dont accept a blacklisted btc..

My 2 cents

shep and theymos

Thank you for taking an importing issues to the community and coming to what I also agree is the right decision.

BCB

I think you broke him

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/read-this-if-you-were-my-buyer-in-the-past-very-very-important-134363

I've been convinced that allowing trades of clearly-hacked accounts is too risky. So I locked torac's account-selling threads and I will ban him if he creates any more.

Seems to me account credentials are a kind of intangible property, and selling stolen property is illegal and shouldn't be allowed in the forums.

I am not a lawyer, so that might not actually be true.  But it seems to me that's the way the law should be, and the right thing to do.

Theymos, you asked for community feedback, you received it.  You asked for case precedent and laws that show sales of hacked/compromised and unauthorized transfers of credentials are illegal, you received it.

What is the threshold that must be reached for you to change forum policy and not allow sales of hacked/compromised accounts or unauthorized transfers of credentials?

Bitcointalk.org domain is registered in Toronto, Canada.
However, this forum is hosted in the US and is subject to US laws and regulations.

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Now, I'm sure some of you are asking, "what if the forum was hosted in Europe?"
The Council of Europe proposed a treaty covering cybercrime in 2001. A majority of
member states and non-member states have either signed the treaty or ratified
the treaty by accession over the past 11 years.

What is the definition of accession with respect to Treaties?

http://treaties.un.org/Pages/Overview.aspx?path=overview/glossary/page1_en.xml#accession


In simple terms, there are laws covering sales of hacked/compromised and or
unauthorized transfers of accounts.


Council of Europe Treaty - Convention on Cybercrime CETS No.: 185

http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/Commun/QueVoulezVous.asp?NT=185&CM=8&DF=&CL=ENG


Chart of ratifications and signatures by member states and non-member states

http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/Commun/ChercheSig.asp?NT=185&CM=8&DF=&CL=ENG


Full Text with relevant passage(s) cited.

http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/en/Treaties/Html/185.htm

No, that's ridiculous. I should be able to sell *my* accounts, but there should be forum rules prohibiting selling other accounts.

I honestly feel that the only reason this forum allows it is because of the donations.

I would think sales of accounts would be considered an illegal activity, which we're not supposed to post here on BitCoinTalk.

It sure took all of 5 seconds to find and list a search hit covering this topic. I suppose I could search for more cases in EU nations.


United States Attorney, District of Massachusetts

http://www.justice.gov/usao/ma/news/2012/June/MillerAndrewJames.html