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Quote from: Fredomago on April 14, 2023, 08:46:02 AM

Quote from: len01 on April 13, 2023, 03:31:12 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on April 13, 2023, 09:33:23 AM

You can use that argument as a good advantage, though not an assurance, but it is relevant to how you anticipate how the direction will proceed. It's better to have the right knowledge as you can predict and trust your position. I'm pretty sure most of the experienced gamblers are using this information while trying to sort which game or which sports they can apply to this slight advantage.

Betting strategy is more about how you taking into the account if how you will execute your plan and strategy that will give you the edge against the house.

now, with AI that is always being developed, it can help gamblers to strengthen their predictions. I mean when a gambler is doing research and wants to predict a match in sports betting, the gambler can use AI to get the information the gambler needs to be able to predict with greater accuracy.
although in this case there is no guarantee of victory but at least AI can help gamblers who want to make predictions.

AI development can strengthen the decision making of someone who already done with his research and analysis, it can give a good glimpse of possible outcome but it's still need to remember that accuracy wise there's nothing that we can conclude that it can be precise, gambling is a play of a high-risk venue to try making money.

If you are already done with doing your part and you see that AI is giving you a same advantages, possible that you will proceed and take that call and place your bet.

Just as they mean by trusting the AI after confirming that you have the same prediction of the outcome. It's what it's used for when there really is a finished AI product for this special purpose. If the AI somehow predicted right at least on its first try, there will be a lot of users intrusting thier money when the users who won brag about it online.

Just a few days ago, there is a thread about AI predicting BTC bull run. Although not really a definitive statement was given by the AI, still it stimulates the brain to believe AI predicted the rise.

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Quote from: len01 on April 13, 2023, 03:31:12 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on April 13, 2023, 09:33:23 AM

You can use that argument as a good advantage, though not an assurance, but it is relevant to how you anticipate how the direction will proceed. It's better to have the right knowledge as you can predict and trust your position. I'm pretty sure most of the experienced gamblers are using this information while trying to sort which game or which sports they can apply to this slight advantage.

Betting strategy is more about how you taking into the account if how you will execute your plan and strategy that will give you the edge against the house.

now, with AI that is always being developed, it can help gamblers to strengthen their predictions. I mean when a gambler is doing research and wants to predict a match in sports betting, the gambler can use AI to get the information the gambler needs to be able to predict with greater accuracy.
although in this case there is no guarantee of victory but at least AI can help gamblers who want to make predictions.

AI development can strengthen the decision making of someone who already done with his research and analysis, it can give a good glimpse of possible outcome but it's still need to remember that accuracy wise there's nothing that we can conclude that it can be precise, gambling is a play of a high-risk venue to try making money.

If you are already done with doing your part and you see that AI is giving you a same advantages, possible that you will proceed and take that call and place your bet.

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Quote from: len01 on April 13, 2023, 03:31:12 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on April 13, 2023, 09:33:23 AM

You can use that argument as a good advantage, though not an assurance, but it is relevant to how you anticipate how the direction will proceed. It's better to have the right knowledge as you can predict and trust your position. I'm pretty sure most of the experienced gamblers are using this information while trying to sort which game or which sports they can apply to this slight advantage.

Betting strategy is more about how you taking into the account if how you will execute your plan and strategy that will give you the edge against the house.

now, with AI that is always being developed, it can help gamblers to strengthen their predictions. I mean when a gambler is doing research and wants to predict a match in sports betting, the gambler can use AI to get the information the gambler needs to be able to predict with greater accuracy.
although in this case there is no guarantee of victory but at least AI can help gamblers who want to make predictions.

Using AI to gather and proving out some information is something i could say that this is where AI would be beneficial since it could be able to provide on whats been asked out but of course you are still the ones

who would really be that formulating on what are the conditions that you would really be that following. There's no point nor really have that kind of assurance that AI's is really that significant when it comes

on predicting games which are bound to happen or simply speaking about future events then its something that you could be able to predict on and so as
with AI's which other people been thinking that it would really be that relevant.

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Quote from: Fredomago on April 13, 2023, 09:33:23 AM

You can use that argument as a good advantage, though not an assurance, but it is relevant to how you anticipate how the direction will proceed. It's better to have the right knowledge as you can predict and trust your position. I'm pretty sure most of the experienced gamblers are using this information while trying to sort which game or which sports they can apply to this slight advantage.

Betting strategy is more about how you taking into the account if how you will execute your plan and strategy that will give you the edge against the house.

now, with AI that is always being developed, it can help gamblers to strengthen their predictions. I mean when a gambler is doing research and wants to predict a match in sports betting, the gambler can use AI to get the information the gambler needs to be able to predict with greater accuracy.
although in this case there is no guarantee of victory but at least AI can help gamblers who want to make predictions.

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Quote from: Mahanton on April 12, 2023, 05:39:47 PM

Even how much it would be developed, there's still no way that it could really be able to make precise predictions due to factors which cant really be read up with any AI no matter how advanced it would be.
There are things which cant really be touched up by technology advancement not matter how good it is on other aspects but in speaking about future results and other correlated things
then it would be an another story.It is really just we should accept that AI couldnt touch up betting area or something that do talks about predictions and future events
which are bound to happen.

Yup, AI can't cover future results, this is just a tools to help bettors
There are three things in AI that will help bettors to carry out their strategy as best as possible.
1. Predictive analysis
2. Deep Learning
3. Matching learning
Of the three technologies contained in AI, bettors should have a large amount of current and historical data. With predictive analysis, bettors can speed up the analysis process before deciding who/which club to bet on. Machine learning helps parse all the collected data, and deep learning will help bettors get more data that is difficult for humans to obtain with manual data collection methods.

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Quote from: slapper on April 13, 2023, 11:04:47 AM

Quote from: nullama on April 12, 2023, 07:16:09 PM

Quote from: Mahanton on April 12, 2023, 05:39:47 PM

~snip~
Even how much it would be developed, there's still no way that it could really be able to make precise predictions due to factors which cant really be read up with any AI no matter how advanced it would be.
There are things which cant really be touched up by technology advancement not matter how good it is on other aspects but in speaking about future results and other correlated things
then it would be an another story.It is really just we should accept that AI couldnt touch up betting area or something that do talks about predictions and future events
which are bound to happen.

The more information you have about a random event, the more certainty you can get about the prediction.

For example, if you just toss a coin, it's 50% heads or tails. But if you know the starting point of the coin, the force applied, the wind conditions, etc, then you can start to get better at the estimation and predict that it will be heads 60% in that particular throw for example, and the more you know, the better you can estimate that. Also, the closer you are to the event, the better the estimate is, so just before you reveal the coin, the model might already know if it's heads or tails.

Totally! It's unanimous: the more deets we gather, the more we nail those event predictions. Cause and effect, am I right? The deeper we delve into the causes, the more we anticipate the fallout.

But hold up, did you ever mull over the sheer volume of data we need? Hunting for that elusive needle in the haystack ain't easy! We may be swimming in data, but if it's off-point or chaotically arranged, we're practically in the dark. It's all about nailing that perfect data and decoding it like a champ.

Fascinating how our accuracy soars as we close in on the event, huh? Picture standing on a precipice, edging closer, and suddenly we see more of what lies beneath. A downright poetic ode to the force of data in the prediction game.

The variables and probabilities are too many to reach an accurate prediction. AI can analyze past and present events, but it can never analyze the future, that is constantly ahead us and starts from the next thousandth of second you are reading this on.

Considering the toss a coin example, what if the wind suddenly changes on the moment you drop the coin, what if the force applied isn't executed as previously done or expected? The fact is that AI can't oversee the future, and that would be the only way this technology could be applied predicting outcomes efficiently.

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Quote from: nullama on April 12, 2023, 07:16:09 PM

Quote from: Mahanton on April 12, 2023, 05:39:47 PM

~snip~
Even how much it would be developed, there's still no way that it could really be able to make precise predictions due to factors which cant really be read up with any AI no matter how advanced it would be.
There are things which cant really be touched up by technology advancement not matter how good it is on other aspects but in speaking about future results and other correlated things
then it would be an another story.It is really just we should accept that AI couldnt touch up betting area or something that do talks about predictions and future events
which are bound to happen.

The more information you have about a random event, the more certainty you can get about the prediction.

For example, if you just toss a coin, it's 50% heads or tails. But if you know the starting point of the coin, the force applied, the wind conditions, etc, then you can start to get better at the estimation and predict that it will be heads 60% in that particular throw for example, and the more you know, the better you can estimate that. Also, the closer you are to the event, the better the estimate is, so just before you reveal the coin, the model might already know if it's heads or tails.

Totally! It's unanimous: the more deets we gather, the more we nail those event predictions. Cause and effect, am I right? The deeper we delve into the causes, the more we anticipate the fallout.

But hold up, did you ever mull over the sheer volume of data we need? Hunting for that elusive needle in the haystack ain't easy! We may be swimming in data, but if it's off-point or chaotically arranged, we're practically in the dark. It's all about nailing that perfect data and decoding it like a champ.

Fascinating how our accuracy soars as we close in on the event, huh? Picture standing on a precipice, edging closer, and suddenly we see more of what lies beneath. A downright poetic ode to the force of data in the prediction game.

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Quote from: nullama on April 12, 2023, 07:16:09 PM

Quote from: Mahanton on April 12, 2023, 05:39:47 PM

~snip~
Even how much it would be developed, there's still no way that it could really be able to make precise predictions due to factors which cant really be read up with any AI no matter how advanced it would be.
There are things which cant really be touched up by technology advancement not matter how good it is on other aspects but in speaking about future results and other correlated things
then it would be an another story.It is really just we should accept that AI couldnt touch up betting area or something that do talks about predictions and future events
which are bound to happen.

The more information you have about a random event, the more certainty you can get about the prediction.

For example, if you just toss a coin, it's 50% heads or tails. But if you know the starting point of the coin, the force applied, the wind conditions, etc, then you can start to get better at the estimation and predict that it will be heads 60% in that particular throw for example, and the more you know, the better you can estimate that. Also, the closer you are to the event, the better the estimate is, so just before you reveal the coin, the model might already know if it's heads or tails.

You can use that argument as a good advantage, though not an assurance, but it is relevant to how you anticipate how the direction will proceed. It's better to have the right knowledge as you can predict and trust your position. I'm pretty sure most of the experienced gamblers are using this information while trying to sort which game or which sports they can apply to this slight advantage.

Betting strategy is more about how you taking into the account if how you will execute your plan and strategy that will give you the edge against the house.

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Quote from: Mahanton on April 12, 2023, 05:39:47 PM

~snip~
Even how much it would be developed, there's still no way that it could really be able to make precise predictions due to factors which cant really be read up with any AI no matter how advanced it would be.
There are things which cant really be touched up by technology advancement not matter how good it is on other aspects but in speaking about future results and other correlated things
then it would be an another story.It is really just we should accept that AI couldnt touch up betting area or something that do talks about predictions and future events
which are bound to happen.

The more information you have about a random event, the more certainty you can get about the prediction.

For example, if you just toss a coin, it's 50% heads or tails. But if you know the starting point of the coin, the force applied, the wind conditions, etc, then you can start to get better at the estimation and predict that it will be heads 60% in that particular throw for example, and the more you know, the better you can estimate that. Also, the closer you are to the event, the better the estimate is, so just before you reveal the coin, the model might already know if it's heads or tails.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on April 12, 2023, 04:44:35 PM

Quote from: nullama on March 29, 2023, 12:44:31 AM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on March 28, 2023, 04:51:56 PM

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Of course, obviously things with AI are like this, the data collected will never be the good option to decipher what can happen, also there are many things that influence sports games, who are the ones that motivate players to play like this, what It caught my attention, it was in the World Cup in Qatar where an AI predicted that the final would be between Portugal and Argentina, it was something really chilling because the one who won the mjudnial was Argentina, although the AI was wrong for the contender from Argentina, but It seems to me that it was just a coincidence, I know that the AI quickly pulls the statistics and that is a very good functionality.

There were also some other predictions that said that France and Brazil would be in the final.

At the end of the day, given enough predictions, one of them will be right. So always keep that in mind. People tend to ignore the failed predictions and focus on the ones that actually happened.

Yes indeed, I cannot deny that the final that the AI predicted would be between Argentina and Portugal caught my attention, because at once I imagined Messi vs CR7, and that was something phenomenal, I really would have liked it much more than France would have reached the Final, and I also did not like that Deschamps did not include Benzema and I think that was a great warning of having lost that final, this is one of the things that happens when the technical director has not been able to mature the differences with his players, you can't send the weakest to war, you must send the strongest to win it, but Deschamps couldn't see that, and that's what the AI failed to predict, that's why I say to this the AI needs a lot of development.

Even how much it would be developed, there's still no way that it could really be able to make precise predictions due to factors which cant really be read up with any AI no matter how advanced it would be.
There are things which cant really be touched up by technology advancement not matter how good it is on other aspects but in speaking about future results and other correlated things
then it would be an another story.It is really just we should accept that AI couldnt touch up betting area or something that do talks about predictions and future events
which are bound to happen.

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Quote from: nullama on March 29, 2023, 12:44:31 AM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on March 28, 2023, 04:51:56 PM

~snip~
Of course, obviously things with AI are like this, the data collected will never be the good option to decipher what can happen, also there are many things that influence sports games, who are the ones that motivate players to play like this, what It caught my attention, it was in the World Cup in Qatar where an AI predicted that the final would be between Portugal and Argentina, it was something really chilling because the one who won the mjudnial was Argentina, although the AI was wrong for the contender from Argentina, but It seems to me that it was just a coincidence, I know that the AI quickly pulls the statistics and that is a very good functionality.

There were also some other predictions that said that France and Brazil would be in the final.

At the end of the day, given enough predictions, one of them will be right. So always keep that in mind. People tend to ignore the failed predictions and focus on the ones that actually happened.

Yes indeed, I cannot deny that the final that the AI predicted would be between Argentina and Portugal caught my attention, because at once I imagined Messi vs CR7, and that was something phenomenal, I really would have liked it much more than France would have reached the Final, and I also did not like that Deschamps did not include Benzema and I think that was a great warning of having lost that final, this is one of the things that happens when the technical director has not been able to mature the differences with his players, you can't send the weakest to war, you must send the strongest to win it, but Deschamps couldn't see that, and that's what the AI failed to predict, that's why I say to this the AI needs a lot of development.

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Quote from: maydna on April 11, 2023, 05:03:28 PM

Quote from: ufaiz50 on April 11, 2023, 06:32:08 AM

I wouldn't rely on AI to predict outcomes but I could get good information with the AI on what they think of the team versus the team of the others. Sometimes, when you are not familiar with the team you will do some research about them and there are times that you'll be missing information. I am wondering what kind of AI you are going to use in prediction as some AI are not into current date and it would be risky to rely on them alone. I think it would be effective if you have ideas from them and you have your own.

If we are not familiar with the team, it is better that we don't have to bet on the match and look for another match where we know the team. It will be better because our chances of winning will be better too. Even though you can get information with AI, that doesn't guarantee you can get that information because the development of AI hasn't reached the stage where it can provide very accurate information. So instead of having trouble analyzing data from AI, it's better for us to bet on matches with teams we know.

It should be on this way but we know that there are people who do make out bets even if they dont know the sports that they are involved with and just simply sticking out on the highly favorite and the worst they do

make out some all in bets which it would really be neither a win or lose.It would really be entirely be not that entertaining at all if having this way but of course there would be gamblers who would really be
minding that much about making money or profits despite of the lacking of knowledge about it.

Speaking about AI, then i dont see for it to be that something that would really be that relevant unless if you do look for information or past histories of a certain team or player
then it might do but predicting on future outcomes? Its not something that you could rely on.

For people who keep betting on sports they don't know about, it's up to them because they should be aware of being responsible with their money and not over betting. Maybe they were just curious about making their bet on that sport or because of an invitation from their friends. And as long as they enjoy it, they can still do it and maybe they'll try betting on other sports they don't know about.

As for AI, I don't think it will help gamblers find more information because it is still under development. But I feel that AI can be like what we see in movies in the future, but of course, it will happen if there is indeed more advanced technology.

Quote from: Fredomago on April 12, 2023, 07:11:05 AM

Quote from: maydna on April 11, 2023, 05:03:28 PM

Quote from: ufaiz50 on April 11, 2023, 06:32:08 AM

I wouldn't rely on AI to predict outcomes but I could get good information with the AI on what they think of the team versus the team of the others. Sometimes, when you are not familiar with the team you will do some research about them and there are times that you'll be missing information. I am wondering what kind of AI you are going to use in prediction as some AI are not into current date and it would be risky to rely on them alone. I think it would be effective if you have ideas from them and you have your own.

If we are not familiar with the team, it is better that we don't have to bet on the match and look for another match where we know the team. It will be better because our chances of winning will be better too. Even though you can get information with AI, that doesn't guarantee you can get that information because the development of AI hasn't reached the stage where it can provide very accurate information. So instead of having trouble analyzing data from AI, it's better for us to bet on matches with teams we know.

On the side of safety betting, I agree with how you project your betting participation, why bother to bet into something that you are not familiar unless you really trust how artificial intelligence works and you are willing to take the risk and gamble your money, though in the part where you are caring about your money and you are practical in terms of your betting participation.

Much better to bet with your own knowledge and analysis, the entertaining part was attached to every single bet that you perform.

This means it will return to the acceptance of risk that we will get in deciding something. And if they bet on something they don't know and trust artificial intelligence, we've taken a risk and have to take it. The important thing is that we can bet with the money we can afford, regardless of betting by analyzing ourselves or using artificial intelligence.

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Quote from: maydna on April 11, 2023, 05:03:28 PM

Quote from: ufaiz50 on April 11, 2023, 06:32:08 AM

I wouldn't rely on AI to predict outcomes but I could get good information with the AI on what they think of the team versus the team of the others. Sometimes, when you are not familiar with the team you will do some research about them and there are times that you'll be missing information. I am wondering what kind of AI you are going to use in prediction as some AI are not into current date and it would be risky to rely on them alone. I think it would be effective if you have ideas from them and you have your own.

If we are not familiar with the team, it is better that we don't have to bet on the match and look for another match where we know the team. It will be better because our chances of winning will be better too. Even though you can get information with AI, that doesn't guarantee you can get that information because the development of AI hasn't reached the stage where it can provide very accurate information. So instead of having trouble analyzing data from AI, it's better for us to bet on matches with teams we know.

On the side of safety betting, I agree with how you project your betting participation, why bother to bet into something that you are not familiar unless you really trust how artificial intelligence works and you are willing to take the risk and gamble your money, though in the part where you are caring about your money and you are practical in terms of your betting participation.

Much better to bet with your own knowledge and analysis, the entertaining part was attached to every single bet that you perform.

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Quote from: cabron on April 05, 2023, 10:45:32 AM

AIs analyzing sports accurately may really destroy sports gambling. I can only see gamblers relying much on it to make money, the lazier we become since it's like having a glimpse of the future result.

What about the protest of Elon that AI development must be stopped? I was watching the news about it recently that government may actually prohibit the further development of AIs.

I also think that there are a lot of elements or indicators that must be programmed into AI to predict its accuracy in football or other sports matches and of course AI will only calculate mathematically with indicators programmed into itself. As we know, there are many incidents that outside of predictions on the field because as we know no one knows how the match will go and in a match anything can happen that is beyond prediction, I think AI can predict but not necessarily the results will be accurate.
I think that Elon's opinion will not affect the support of other companies to develop AI, even though he said it would threaten human civilization, but who knows the actual results, there are still many people who are curious about the perfect form of AI.

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Quote from: sashapan on April 11, 2023, 05:17:58 PM

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The hell knows who played with whom) just bet by intuition) no artificial intelligence can not calculate the outcome of the game, a footballer can wear the wrong shoes and will not score a goal, a tennis player can sweat palms and miss will be balls, it still depends on the circumstances and they are different) So we rely on his gut Roll Eyes

That's what being a random event means, but you can estimate the probability of the team winning or losing.

It's not like everything is completely the same, and anything can happen with the same probability, there are clearly better teams that usually end up winning, even with those random events.

Probabilities help you calculate the odds of this happening.

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Quote from: maydna on April 11, 2023, 05:03:28 PM

Quote from: ufaiz50 on April 11, 2023, 06:32:08 AM

I wouldn't rely on AI to predict outcomes but I could get good information with the AI on what they think of the team versus the team of the others. Sometimes, when you are not familiar with the team you will do some research about them and there are times that you'll be missing information. I am wondering what kind of AI you are going to use in prediction as some AI are not into current date and it would be risky to rely on them alone. I think it would be effective if you have ideas from them and you have your own.

If we are not familiar with the team, it is better that we don't have to bet on the match and look for another match where we know the team. It will be better because our chances of winning will be better too. Even though you can get information with AI, that doesn't guarantee you can get that information because the development of AI hasn't reached the stage where it can provide very accurate information. So instead of having trouble analyzing data from AI, it's better for us to bet on matches with teams we know.

It should be on this way but we know that there are people who do make out bets even if they dont know the sports that they are involved with and just simply sticking out on the highly favorite and the worst they do

make out some all in bets which it would really be neither a win or lose.It would really be entirely be not that entertaining at all if having this way but of course there would be gamblers who would really be
minding that much about making money or profits despite of the lacking of knowledge about it.

Speaking about AI, then i dont see for it to be that something that would really be that relevant unless if you do look for information or past histories of a certain team or player
then it might do but predicting on future outcomes? Its not something that you could rely on.

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The hell knows who played with whom) just bet by intuition) no artificial intelligence can not calculate the outcome of the game, a footballer can wear the wrong shoes and will not score a goal, a tennis player can sweat palms and miss will be balls, it still depends on the circumstances and they are different) So we rely on his gut Roll Eyes

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Quote from: ufaiz50 on April 11, 2023, 06:32:08 AM

I wouldn't rely on AI to predict outcomes but I could get good information with the AI on what they think of the team versus the team of the others. Sometimes, when you are not familiar with the team you will do some research about them and there are times that you'll be missing information. I am wondering what kind of AI you are going to use in prediction as some AI are not into current date and it would be risky to rely on them alone. I think it would be effective if you have ideas from them and you have your own.

If we are not familiar with the team, it is better that we don't have to bet on the match and look for another match where we know the team. It will be better because our chances of winning will be better too. Even though you can get information with AI, that doesn't guarantee you can get that information because the development of AI hasn't reached the stage where it can provide very accurate information. So instead of having trouble analyzing data from AI, it's better for us to bet on matches with teams we know.

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Quote from: molsewid on April 10, 2023, 10:46:38 AM

I think most of well known casino now hired someone to develop this kind of system that will help them not to be easily hacked by someone using AI, or will cheat the entire game using AI. AI can beat another AI, and also it still needs a maintenance and maybe frequent upgrades for bugs and additional security and features that may help a casino. But we need to be informed that it will not create 100% predictions.

Not being hacked, and not being abused are different things. They can prevent AI to hack into the system by building a great system and that way you won't be able to hack into them.

However, it would be quite difficult to build something that would not be abused by AI, there is a chance that AI could end up gambling much better than people, still lose in the end of course because as long as house edge stands, there is mathematically no way you can keep gambling and make money, but that doesn't mean that you can't get extras. So that means if you gamble a lot, casinos give you something for wagering that much, and if you gamble smart, then you won't lose much and make a profit from that extra bonus you get from the casino.

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I wouldn't rely on AI to predict outcomes but I could get good information with the AI on what they think of the team versus the team of the others. Sometimes, when you are not familiar with the team you will do some research about them and there are times that you'll be missing information. I am wondering what kind of AI you are going to use in prediction as some AI are not into current date and it would be risky to rely on them alone. I think it would be effective if you have ideas from them and you have your own.

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