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There is an aspect of subjectivity to science. I would just say that scientific laws are widely perceived as "more plausible explanations than the alternatives".
I hate repeating myself. I don't use astrology for predictive purposes. Again, if you wish to continue tag teaming me please read my posts.
I read your posts. You do seem to claim there's an effect that can be understood, which implies predictive power. Or do you mean you just look at what happened and pick an explanation that makes you feel better about it?
I suspect that's the whole point of emotions. I surmise that most, if not all, "scientific laws" are just explanations that were agreed upon consensus because they make the vastest majority of people "feel good (or comfortable, placated, whatever emotional descriptor makes you... feel good... )
"wrong" or "incorrect" in this context really just means "abnormal" or "not the consensus paradigm".
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Your statements about your model of the solar system leaves out a lot of details. So does the average person's understanding of what I consider real astrology. As I have said, there are many charlatans, and I don't attempt to abuse it for predictive purposes. I use astrology to better understand my current situation. I believe that if the astrology I believe in were true, the world would look exactly as it does. As far as I'm concerned, I'm merely looking at the current position of the heavenly bodies near me in space and filtering that through my initial impressions from my strongest early memory: birth. By learning to feel the energies within your body, one can even learn to recognize their motions without looking up the chart. However, personally I'm not that finely tuned yet and often turn to calculations to help me decipher the energies I'm being exposed to.
Your statements about your model of the solar system leaves out a lot of details. So does the average person's understanding of what I consider real astrology. As I have said, there are many charlatans, and I don't attempt to abuse it for predictive purposes. I use astrology to better understand my current situation. I believe that if the astrology I believe in were true, the world would look exactly as it does. As far as I'm concerned, I'm merely looking at the current position of the heavenly bodies near me in space and filtering that through my initial impressions from my strongest early memory: birth. By learning to feel the energies within your body, one can even learn to recognize their motions without looking up the chart. However, personally I'm not that finely tuned yet and often turn to calculations to help me decipher the energies I'm being exposed to.
I hate repeating myself. I don't use astrology for predictive purposes. Again, if you wish to continue tag teaming me please read my posts.
I read your posts. You do seem to claim there's an effect that can be understood, which implies predictive power. Or do you mean you just look at what happened and pick an explanation that makes you feel better about it?
EM and gravitational force are the mechanisms.
Well, two questions arise:
How do these affect the behaviour of people?
Of course there are phenomena we know exist but don't know the exact causes of, so let's go for the more important one:
Do you have any evidence that predictions made by astrology are correct in a statistically significant sense?
I hate repeating myself. I don't use astrology for predictive purposes. Again, if you wish to continue tag teaming me please read my posts.
EM and gravitational force are the mechanisms.
Well, two questions arise:
How do these affect the behaviour of people?
Of course there are phenomena we know exist but don't know the exact causes of, so let's go for the more important one:
Do you have any evidence that predictions made by astrology are correct in a statistically significant sense?
hmm, what organ is used to sense the EM radiation and gravity. The skin? Are burn victims less susceptible to the influence? What if you get a skin transplant? Does this effectively change your sign?
There are many good questions one could ask about astrology. Once we are all bitcoin millionaires we can start sending people up into space, etc to find answers to these questions.
There are many good questions one could ask about astrology. Once we are all bitcoin millionaires we can start sending people up into space, etc to find answers to these questions.
You do know light is EM radiation, right? Maybe you're just trolling. I've stated the details of my beliefs several times already in this thread. If you want to continue to tag team me, please at least spare me from repeating myself.
And yea, I assumed this stuff must still work for blind people so it had to be more than just eyesight.
Do you know the magnitudes of the energies you are talking about, have you compared this to thermal noise? Does the presence of Jupiter's great red spot affect the readings?
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No, please enlighten me. I know I can feel the sun on my skin on a clear day. I know I can see the oceans follow the moon. I believe I've read that other planets can alter the tides as well, but I don't have a source at the ready. What causes Jupiter's great red spot? If the red spot alter's Jupiter's electromagnetic field, or changes it's mass distribution significantly, than maybe, but I doubt it's worth worrying about 99.99999% of the time.
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F= G (M*m)/r^2
G=6.67 x 10^-11
Mass of Human = 68 kg
Mass of Earth =5.98x10^24 kg
Mass of Moon = 7.36x10^22 kg
Radius of Earth = 6,370,000 m
Distance to Moon = 3.83x10^8 m
Force due to earth on a person on the ground = 668.43174 N
Force due to earth on the same person on the third floor (11 meters) = 668.42943 N
Difference= 0.00231 N
Force due to moon on human at sea level = 0.00227 N
G=6.67 x 10^-11
Mass of Human = 68 kg
Mass of Earth =5.98x10^24 kg
Mass of Moon = 7.36x10^22 kg
Radius of Earth = 6,370,000 m
Distance to Moon = 3.83x10^8 m
Force due to earth on a person on the ground = 668.43174 N
Force due to earth on the same person on the third floor (11 meters) = 668.42943 N
Difference= 0.00231 N
Force due to moon on human at sea level = 0.00227 N
Conclusion: Any effect the gravitational pull of the moon may be having on a person could be equaled by moving 11 meters away from the earth, that is the same as going up about 3 floors.
The tides occur because of the huge distance between the near and far side of the earth (relative to the moon). Most peoples brains have a diameter much smaller than the diameter of the earth, which is why you don't get tidal effects in there due to the moon.
Pisces, because of short memory
Was this a guess at me? If so you would probably like to know that I am a Pisces.
& my previous post above was updated a while back with elementally coloured bars, congrats Leos, you sunny ones, you
Casascius will be pleased
hmm, what organ is used to sense the EM radiation and gravity. The skin? Are burn victims less susceptible to the influence? What if you get a skin transplant? Does this effectively change your sign?
There are many good questions one could ask about astrology. Once we are all bitcoin millionaires we can start sending people up into space, etc to find answers to these questions.
There are many good questions one could ask about astrology. Once we are all bitcoin millionaires we can start sending people up into space, etc to find answers to these questions.
You do know light is EM radiation, right? Maybe you're just trolling. I've stated the details of my beliefs several times already in this thread. If you want to continue to tag team me, please at least spare me from repeating myself.
Do you know the magnitudes of the energies you are talking about, have you compared this to thermal noise? Does the presence of Jupiter's great red spot affect the readings?
*edit=confusing wording
*edit=confusing wording
No, please enlighten me. I know I can feel the sun on my skin on a clear day. I know I can see the oceans follow the moon. I believe I've read that other planets can alter the tides as well, but I don't have a source at the ready. What causes Jupiter's great red spot? If the red spot alter's Jupiter's electromagnetic field, or changes it's mass distribution significantly, than maybe, but I doubt it's worth worrying about 99.99999% of the time.
Oh, I didn't realize the sun was involved. I thought it was only stars and planets. I will get back to you with some numbers.
hmm, what organ is used to sense the EM radiation and gravity. The skin? Are burn victims less susceptible to the influence? What if you get a skin transplant? Does this effectively change your sign?
There are many good questions one could ask about astrology. Once we are all bitcoin millionaires we can start sending people up into space, etc to find answers to these questions.
There are many good questions one could ask about astrology. Once we are all bitcoin millionaires we can start sending people up into space, etc to find answers to these questions.
Do you know the magnitudes of the energies you are talking about, have you compared this to thermal noise? Does the presence of Jupiter's great red spot affect the readings?
*edit=confusing wording
*edit=confusing wording
No, please enlighten me. I know I can feel the sun on my skin on a clear day. I know I can see the oceans follow the moon. I believe I've read that other planets can alter the tides as well, but I don't have a source at the ready. What causes Jupiter's great red spot? If the red spot alter's Jupiter's electromagnetic field, or changes it's mass distribution significantly, than maybe, but I doubt it's worth worrying about 99.99999% of the time.
Do you know the magnitudes of the energies you are talking about, have you compared this to thermal noise? Does the presence of Jupiter's great red spot affect the readings?
*edit=confusing wording
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In that case can we mimic the effects of star charts using artificial lighting and centrifuges?
Possibly... if you're accurate enough.... but I don't think we have the equipment or knowledge to do this yet.Quote
Are astronauts more susceptible to the influence of the planets than earthbound people?
No clue... I'd be willing to go to space to run some experiments.
In that case can we mimic the effects of star charts using artificial lighting and centrifuges? Are astronauts more susceptible to the influence of the planets than earthbound people?
are you kidding me??
correlation does not imply causation
do you understand what that means?
correlation does not imply causation
do you understand what that means?
Yes, I understand what that means. However, lack of evidence does not disprove causation. Do you understand what that means?
How the hell is one supposed to prove that the moon contributed to a person's decision to kill themselves? The best you can do is show correlation, and that has been demonstrated. I will accept that causation in this case not falsifiable, but that doesn't make it inherently false. It does mean you need a different tool from science to be able to make a decision. Either way you decide, your decision is based on faith, so unless you decide to not decide, you are going on faith.
"lack of evidence does not disprove causation"
a causative relationship is a positive claim. a positive claim requires positive evidence. so yes, the positive claim that there is a mechanism by which the phase of the moon (or any astrology) directly affects people's actions and dispositions, there being no evidence for such a claim, should not be assumed by a rational person.
there is currently a lack of evidence for a causative relationship between ice cream sales and drownings. if someone believed in such a relationship, you would call them a conspiracy theorist.
EM and gravitational force are the mechanisms.
are you kidding me??
correlation does not imply causation
do you understand what that means?
correlation does not imply causation
do you understand what that means?
Yes, I understand what that means. However, lack of evidence does not disprove causation. Do you understand what that means?
How the hell is one supposed to prove that the moon contributed to a person's decision to kill themselves? The best you can do is show correlation, and that has been demonstrated. I will accept that causation in this case not falsifiable, but that doesn't make it inherently false. It does mean you need a different tool from science to be able to make a decision. Either way you decide, your decision is based on faith, so unless you decide to not decide, you are going on faith.
"lack of evidence does not disprove causation"
a causative relationship is a positive claim. a positive claim requires positive evidence. so yes, the positive claim that there is a mechanism by which the phase of the moon (or any astrology) directly affects people's actions and dispositions, there being no evidence for such a claim, should not be assumed by a rational person.
there is currently a lack of evidence for a causative relationship between ice cream sales and drownings. if someone believed in such a relationship, you would call them a conspiracy theorist.
You're self contradictory.
First you say I can't be right because it's too far, then when I counter that argument, you ask me why I ignore the distant objects.
I'm pretty sure there aren't any grahas that can only be seen from one hemisphere.
Slow down and attempt a cohesive argument instead of assuming you completely understand what I'm talking about. I would agree that much of what gets passed off as astrology is BS. You have either not read my previous posts or you have not paid attention when you did. I'm tired of repeating myself.
First you say I can't be right because it's too far, then when I counter that argument, you ask me why I ignore the distant objects.
I'm pretty sure there aren't any grahas that can only be seen from one hemisphere.
Slow down and attempt a cohesive argument instead of assuming you completely understand what I'm talking about. I would agree that much of what gets passed off as astrology is BS. You have either not read my previous posts or you have not paid attention when you did. I'm tired of repeating myself.
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