Topic: Poll :: Which star sign likes BTC most/least - page 2. (Read 10804 times)

Why aren't you lot confused to hell by any of the obvious, fatal, non-recoverable problems with astrology?


So... Does astrology only work during the night? When you're looking?

How do the stars, err, planets know what you've been doing throughout the day?

How do you know in advance which excuses to make for why the dragon in your garage can not be seen?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Dragon_in_My_Garage


But wait...

Why these planets, not others! There are likely billions of planets in the Milky Way alone! (Not to mention stars in the Universe.)

What about the ones you didn't count, does astrology disregard objects on the southern hemisphere, only visible from Australia,
where astrology wasn't invented, and if so does astrology work in the Middle East, India, the US, but not Australia? Why?

PS: Generally we can only see "close" stars that are some several hundred lightyears distant. (Still hugely impressive in my opinion. Astronomy is fun!)   

           



     

Leos like to win, actually they insist upon it

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You'd be wrong, as could be expected with probability 2/3. You've now exhausted 4/12 options.
You'll have have equal probabilities of getting it right by random chance in two more tries.

So close to zero that we can't even see the the stars that are millions of light years away.... oh wait.

Besides, I'm not talking light years.... once again I'm only looking within our solar system.

Good question! On reading my own comment, I realize I have made my self look quite silly.
I have many times found myself awestruck by the beauty of a starry night, or the discoveries of astronomy.

So in this sense, emotions can be influenced by stars.

That said, there are (at low temperatures) four forces in nature, precisely accountable for everything that has happened since the beginning of time.

The electromagnetic force. (Makes object solid, light, radiation.)
The strong nuclear force. (Keeps the nuclei of atoms from imploding or blowing apart.)
The weak nuclear force.  (Breaks down heavy, unstable atoms through radioactive decay.)
Gravity. (Keeps shit together, mostly.)

The strength of interactions generally decrease with distance to zero long, long, very much earlier indeed before we get to astronomical distances.

There is no measurable effect. If astrology worked as proposed it would be measurable.

Excepting side effects that would literally destroy the Universe.

I'm guessing elux is either Aquarius or Pisces or right on the cusp between.  Possibly Libra or Virgo.

@elux

Please read my previous posts.... You are obviously using a different definition of astrology than I am.  As I've said before, the grahas I consider are all within our solar system.  Emotions are absolutely influenced by the the sun, and other planets, even if it's too subtle for the untrained nervous system to identify.  Astrology is mostly useful for me regarding interpersonal relationships.  It allows me to understand what influences we are all experiencing which helps me to relate to the emotions of others.

How exactly do you know this?

NO! No it would not! Everything discovered in the sciences since Aristotle would be a lie.

The laws of nature are laws, not whims.  Astrology cannot work some of the time, it has to work it had to work all of the time, for all of the people.


Heavenly bodies are VERY FAR AWAY. A lightyear is ten trillion kilometers.

Their influence is strictly limited to light and gravity.

An apple in a nearby tree will influence you to a much stronger degree than the faraway lumps of rock, or unimaginably distant lumps of mostly hydrogen.

Aha! Make horoscopes based on apples, not stars! (It works equally well, no better, no worse.)


Those energies are commonly called emotions. Emotions are created in the brain.

Emotions are not, could not be, in any way influenced by the stars.  (Even if one believes they are.)


That is the emotion of confusion. You cannot go on believing wrong things and expect your brain not to be confused about it.

I reject your definition of faith.

I have not stopped asking.
I do not accept things without thought.
I always look for a better way.
I don't think any of my habits are arbitrary.  I don't perform sacrifices or dance to evoke a favor from any deity.
It is unfortunate that this happens, but many poor people are helped by people of faith as well.
You already mentioned not looking for a better way.... I don't agree religion is required for morals.
Mental instability and a lack of community lead to people of excessive faith.  They go their to escape a feeling of isolation, not because they admire those of sane faith.
Poor education does happen, but again many people of faith provide great opportunities for children
Please tell me when equal rights truly existed.... I'm not sure we've ever been closer
Most churches I know are community built.... Televangelists are not the greatest examples of faithful people
My faith hold tolerance above most other ideals
Again, this is mental instability, not faith
Again, you assume I stopped asking questions... I disagree

BTW, attempting to rip people's faith from them also leads to the isolation that breads radicalism.

You are only focusing on the loud minority who are mentally unstable.  Was Gandhi a fool for believing he could get the British to leave without violence?  It sure took a lot of faith.  Let me be about my beliefs and maybe we can work together on the future.  If you aren't interested in the topic of this thread, please just leave it be.  I don't come into threads and tell people their discussion is pointless only to spew idealism for 3 pages.  You are only creating more divisiveness, delaying your dreams of a glorious future.  The only way we can move forward is to be tolerant and accepting.  We don't all have to agree about philosophy to work together.

Your statements about your model of the solar system leaves out a lot of details. So does the average person's understanding of what I consider real astrology.  As I have said, there are many charlatans, and I don't attempt to abuse it for predictive purposes.  I use astrology to better understand my current situation.  I believe that if the astrology I believe in were true, the world would look exactly as it does.  As far as I'm concerned, I'm merely looking at the current position of the heavenly bodies near me in space and filtering that through my initial impressions from my strongest early memory: birth.  By learning to feel the energies within your body, one can even learn to recognize their motions without looking up the chart.  However, personally I'm not that finely tuned yet and often turn to calculations to help me decipher the energies I'm being exposed to.

Having faith means you stop asking.
It means you accept things without thinking about it.
It means you never find out how to make something better.
It means arbitrary habits such as raindancing or avoiding black cats are followed, because people believe it to be effective.
It means poor people are scammed out of their money by quackery.
It means people don't question themselves, don't ask themselves if there is a better way. "Religion is required for morals"? Not quite.
The people with a little faith open the doors for the people with a lot of faith.
This means children don't get a proper education, never learning the beauty of evolving species.
It means equal rights are gone, with human beings being suppressed (homosexuals, other races, women).
It means large amounts of money go into creating huge buildings in which faith is perpetuated.
Having faith means people with a different faith are the enemy.
It means fighting, wars, and death.
Having faith means never going from hiding from Zeus' lightning bolt, to finding out how it works, to harnessing electricity.
It means never emerging from our simple caves, never finding the beauty behind the scenes, the magnificence of emergence, the possibilities of intelligence, and the wonders humankind is capable of.

You speak to me of faith, yet all I see is what is wrong in this world. Let go of faith, and let us start on the rest of the future.

1: "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it does not go away."

2: "That which can be destroyed by the truth should be."

3: It is true that the center of the Sun is not the exact center of the solar system, only very nearly so!

Why should we believe this? Well, it is effected by the gravity of the orbiting Earth, Jupiter, comets, planets, planetesimals, and Russel's teapot and other objects therein contained.

Yet the center of the sun is nearly the center due to the immense mass of the sun compared to the rest.

Updating the heliocentric model of reality on this new knowledge I could, and did in fact discard my (slightly) wrong,
imprecise heliocentric worldview in favor of a similar-but-better, more accurate model of the solar system.

The map is not the terrain, perfect in every detail. But a map of reality should look like reality, rather than it's alternatives.

Now, what would the world look like if astrology was true?

Can you design a study that doesn't involve huge lapses in ethics?
If something is not falsifiable, it doesn't make it true either. The teapot I mentioned up there is not falsifiable. That doesn't mean you should respect my belief in the teapot.