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June 02, 2020, 01:28:24 AM
@WanderingPhilospher

what happens when I want to merge dp30 files and dp 25 file it takes only the lower dp or not?
if you have 5 DPs=31 and 4 DPs=25 when merge you will get 9 DPs=25.(ofcourse if points different)
in this case droping from 31 to 25 you will need again find 64 times more new points (2^(31-25))
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June 01, 2020, 11:18:48 PM
@WanderingPhilospher

what happens when I want to merge dp30 files and dp 25 file it takes only the lower dp or not?

Etar can explain it a lot better than me because I'm not really sure...Jean Luc's README states:

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However, work files are compatible (same key and range) and can be merged, if 2 work files have a different number of distinguished bits, the lowest will be recorded in the destination file.

So yes, it can be done, but I'm not sure if it helps much. Etar studied this in depth and combined his DP 31 and DP 28, I think.
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June 01, 2020, 11:13:22 PM
@WanderingPhilospher

what happens when I want to merge dp30 files and dp 25 file it takes only the lower dp or not?
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June 01, 2020, 08:45:30 PM

Doing some tests with your job :
~780MKs on 2060 ( core +120, PL60 )
~950MKs on 2070 ( core +120, PL60 )

Only needed few changes in my tool to run your version, thanks !

Concur...been flying through some ranges. Solid version. Just testing. I am trying to figure out the continue option...I want to use it every 30-60 seconds without the +100000 rekey option; without losing power. Asked Tela, hopefully he understands and knows how to. I manually changed the +100000 and went from 3400ish MK/s to 1200 MK/s.
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June 01, 2020, 08:41:52 PM


what does all these values mean ?

what is important here the Dp counter all other counters show 2^-inf


btw is someone open to share some workfiles for merge together ?

DP count is most important. You are running at DP 25, so it will take 2^57 (whatever expected group ops is for 115) - 2^25 (your DP setting) so roughly you want your DP count up to 2^32 to be getting close to solving.

I have files for DP 30.  So I need to get close to 2^27 to be getting close to solving. 2^57(expected ops) - 2^30(my DP setting) = 2^27 DP count .



The number of points represented by the DPs is most important. If you are using a 30-bit distinguisher on GPUs, it is going to take way more than 2^27 DP's to solve #115.
You think so? I was using the math that was explained to me...I'm not an expert like some here, but I've seen it been said that way several times.
How long say you, or better yet, how many DPs do I need? 2^what?
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June 01, 2020, 08:08:19 PM


what does all these values mean ?

what is important here the Dp counter all other counters show 2^-inf


btw is someone open to share some workfiles for merge together ?

DP count is most important. You are running at DP 25, so it will take 2^57 (whatever expected group ops is for 115) - 2^25 (your DP setting) so roughly you want your DP count up to 2^32 to be getting close to solving.

I have files for DP 30.  So I need to get close to 2^27 to be getting close to solving. 2^57(expected ops) - 2^30(my DP setting) = 2^27 DP count .



The number of points represented by the DPs is most important. If you are using a 30-bit distinguisher on GPUs, it is going to take way more than 2^27 DP's to solve #115.
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June 01, 2020, 05:09:42 PM

Doing some tests with your job :
~780MKs on 2060 ( core +120, PL60 )
~950MKs on 2070 ( core +120, PL60 )

Only needed few changes in my tool to run your version, thanks !
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June 01, 2020, 04:54:41 PM
OK and what is better for now?
And what happens when I want to merge dp30 files and dp 25 file it takes only the lower dp or not?
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June 01, 2020, 02:37:48 PM


what does all these values mean ?

what is important here the Dp counter all other counters show 2^-inf


btw is someone open to share some workfiles for merge together ?

DP count is most important. You are running at DP 25, so it will take 2^57 (whatever expected group ops is for 115) - 2^25 (your DP setting) so roughly you want your DP count up to 2^32 to be getting close to solving.

I have files for DP 30.  So I need to get close to 2^27 to be getting close to solving. 2^57(expected ops) - 2^30(my DP setting) = 2^27 DP count .

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June 01, 2020, 10:59:06 AM


what does all these values mean ?

what is important here the Dp counter all other counters show 2^-inf


btw is someone open to share some workfiles for merge together ?
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June 01, 2020, 09:41:42 AM
@JeanLuc can you explain structure DP that send client to server
Each DP has 40 bytes length.

Edit: solved int128_t X;      int128_t D;      uint64_t h;
It is not easy))

dp.h - it is 18bit hash(hope i think correct)
dp.x and dp.d - it is understand for what
but for what need dp.kIdx when sending DP?

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June 01, 2020, 01:22:14 AM
First of all, guys i am just having posted that what i posted outside the two or three of you guys
keep me out of it, and for the rest this next one is for Etar,


Total f1+f2: count 2^51.98 in the server app, and in the client  [Count 2^44.27]

Etar was wondering is this the way it should be? or am i going somewhere wrong, and was
wondering do you have you'r server app with kangaroo 1.9, currently is 1.5

and dont need wsplit, thanks

hi, answer you in PM. if you don`t want recompile app just copy kangaroo.exe 1.9v to work folder.
And server/client app is little bit old idea(it was need when kangaroo server always crashed)
Now with -wsplit you can use mergerServer/mergerClient app (do not need to send BIG file with kangaroos)
and yes, counter during merge reflect incorrect counter, because it increased every time when merge.(what the kangaroo.exe writes to console  that’s what the client / server writes in the console, app is do not do any calculation only grab lines from kangaroo.exe console  and display it on client / server app)
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June 01, 2020, 12:21:36 AM
Just to clarify thing.
Zielar fully respected the contract with me.
He paid for the service and he will give me access to GPU resource to make experiments.
He is a gentleman and a very competent person.
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May 31, 2020, 08:34:12 PM
-snip-
Ok, look at the blockchain:
#60: 1Kn5h2qpgw9mWE5jKpk8PP4qvvJ1QVy8su -> 14yX9jrgmtJByn5YSTdA2uZM6kFQ9z9BUu -> 35HzrskKgRekhB9RgFGNrfhNbdqC1PvEUL
#61: 1AVJKwzs9AskraJLGHAZPiaZcrpDr1U6AB -> 13aNcjjyQYgQZxnxz6Ar9eRqQENexDBPjh -> 35HzrskKgRekhB9RgFGNrfhNbdqC1PvEUL
#62: 1Me6EfpwZK5kQziBwBfvLiHjaPGxCKLoJi -> bc1q055ws5xnrnjtf767cxuklrjl8vw5sst2j4a9lm -> 35HzrskKgRekhB9RgFGNrfhNbdqC1PvEUL
#63: 1NpYjtLira16LfGbGwZJ5JbDPh3ai9bjf4 -> bc1qdqtkkmwtxk5ce0xvp57k46hnx8t43ngw97twmx -> 35HzrskKgRekhB9RgFGNrfhNbdqC1PvEUL
and..
1ThePiachu -> 18A3UeLrcJbi58jci1s7xQss8v8QK8YJPK -> 1JSVnxtzLxNpW6YkXQbV1guW6FdZAaKM4L -> 35HzrskKgRekhB9RgFGNrfhNbdqC1PvEUL
Tadaaa!
-snip-

It is not a secret that keys #62 and #63 were found by zielar. He wrote about this on this forum (another thread). https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52396107

He also wrote somewhere that he found #63 faster than #62.

But what is your problem with zielar? He found the keys, so he received the bounties. If you had some negotiations with him but he did not meet his part of the contract - unfortunately it is only your deal. And better to discuss it between you only, but not with the whole public. Bitcointalk also has its own trust system - so you can make your comments in zielar's profile if you can prove them (of course).
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May 31, 2020, 08:19:04 PM

bitcrack  you got some new software that works?


I have software that works. I am preparing to release it soon. I was running it non-stop since March 31st without any issues in my attempt to solve #110.

Brute or Kangaroo, or something different all together?
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May 31, 2020, 08:07:08 PM

bitcrack  you got some new software that works?


I have software that works. I am preparing to release it soon. I was running it non-stop since March 31st without any issues in my attempt to solve #110.

wow now one more question, you The bitcrack developer or not?
great release soon, thank you in advance.

Yes, that is me (brichard19).
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May 31, 2020, 08:06:14 PM

bitcrack  you got some new software that works?


I have software that works. I am preparing to release it soon. I was running it non-stop since March 31st without any issues in my attempt to solve #110.

wow now one more question, you The bitcrack developer or not?
great release soon, thank you in advance.
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May 31, 2020, 08:04:26 PM

bitcrack  you got some new software that works?


I have software that works. I am preparing to release it soon. I was running it non-stop since March 31st without any issues in my attempt to solve #110.
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May 31, 2020, 07:57:38 PM
First of all, guys i am just having posted that what i posted outside the two or three of you guys
keep me out of it, and for the rest this next one is for Etar,


Total f1+f2: count 2^51.98 in the server app, and in the client  [Count 2^44.27]

Etar was wondering is this the way it should be? or am i going somewhere wrong, and was
wondering do you have you'r server app with kangaroo 1.9, currently is 1.5

and dont need wsplit, thanks
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May 31, 2020, 07:49:08 PM
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at cinema for next show
y, now some show

Quote from: zielar
You got zero because the work you did for me is unusable.
You have funny memory problems (as -d 42).
I remind you that I got zero because you did not fulfill your part of the contract.
It was a simple job and (simultaneously) checking you for competence and honesty.
You failed miserably. Work with you? It’s useless to talk to you. Your word is zero, sad but true.

Read more about the events of September 2019.
VanitySearch1.17fix successfully adapted for vanitypool.appspot.com
Agreed, my fix, u gpurigs, 50/50.
Just on the calculated day, the reward leaves the account.
..And zielar disappears for a month! (wow, nice coincidence, y?)
Upon returning, he declares that he has nothing to do with the transaction!
Ok, look at the blockchain:
#60: 1Kn5h2qpgw9mWE5jKpk8PP4qvvJ1QVy8su -> 14yX9jrgmtJByn5YSTdA2uZM6kFQ9z9BUu -> 35HzrskKgRekhB9RgFGNrfhNbdqC1PvEUL
#61: 1AVJKwzs9AskraJLGHAZPiaZcrpDr1U6AB -> 13aNcjjyQYgQZxnxz6Ar9eRqQENexDBPjh -> 35HzrskKgRekhB9RgFGNrfhNbdqC1PvEUL
#62: 1Me6EfpwZK5kQziBwBfvLiHjaPGxCKLoJi -> bc1q055ws5xnrnjtf767cxuklrjl8vw5sst2j4a9lm -> 35HzrskKgRekhB9RgFGNrfhNbdqC1PvEUL
#63: 1NpYjtLira16LfGbGwZJ5JbDPh3ai9bjf4 -> bc1qdqtkkmwtxk5ce0xvp57k46hnx8t43ngw97twmx -> 35HzrskKgRekhB9RgFGNrfhNbdqC1PvEUL
and..
1ThePiachu -> 18A3UeLrcJbi58jci1s7xQss8v8QK8YJPK -> 1JSVnxtzLxNpW6YkXQbV1guW6FdZAaKM4L -> 35HzrskKgRekhB9RgFGNrfhNbdqC1PvEUL
Tadaaa!
Even if 35HzrskKgRekhB9RgFGNrfhNbdqC1PvEUL does not belong to zielar..
..already in the third transfer, money RANDOMLY passes through this wallet.
And here I have to believe that zielar has nothing to do with what is happening)))
Its epic, really.

Open eyes. This is either you or your partner (the one you trust).
And, probably, the events in January are connected with this.

The truth is somewhere nearby, but I still will not see my piece of money.
So by right of verification I declare once again to everyone - be careful with zielar.

Some "unusable sticky thing" by me
https://github.com/Telariust/VanitySearch-appspot/releases
https://github.com/Telariust/VanitySearch-bitcrack/releases
danger! very unusable)


Quote from: zielar
Get to work better
y, brutal insolent)


Quote from: zielar
You are an ordinary shit for me
this phrase very expresses the attitude of the hero to the people around him.
if google it, this is not the first time he has said this.
lack/ignore of arguments and explosive emotionality. love it


Quote from: zielar
He renounced it twice
Apparently, brichard19 also refused twice. Five times in a row.
(I recall how he answered in issues that he could not improve the program because he did not have enough money for a modern video card. But who read issues?)
Oh, it simple, BitCrack is also a "sticky thing", and brichard19 needs "get to work better", y.


Quote from: zielar
What hurts you, son? Do you have any complex?
y, i have big complex. intolerance of irresponsible people


Quote from: zielar
What do you say... that I should transfer some sum..
i say, how about transfer to brichard19, let be 10% of #59-63, ~=0.35BTC
Quote from: zielar
..to be burned to keep my honor?
Transfer, if there is still something to keep.

Gentlemen, the time of bets - is whether the transfer will take place or if there will be another excuse.


Quote from: zielar
you pour out your bitter regrets here because..
..When the world record is set, remember, at what cost.

Suckers: the biggest dp I've set is 28. 42 you have degrees of fever because you let out of jealousy that you are an inefficient aunt.  You don't deserve anything and as a result you are conducting some private investigations ... it's probably from this ineptitude.  you are just a beetroot with which I am lucky - I have nothing to do with it anymore.  Go program your magic and test dp 42.  Thank you for unnecessary deliberation on your problem that you cannot solve.  I believe that you have convinced someone here with this lecture if anyone reads it at all.

BTW: did it take you half a year to think?
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