[Pool] Offset your carbon footprint! Profits buy trees and rainforest - page 3.

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Quote from: Quantumplation on June 10, 2011, 12:12:51 AM

The software keeps a virtual tally of your unpaid balance. Once this crosses 1btc, you're paid out on the next generated block, RIGHT there, in the generation block. The money never sits in some intermediary account held by the pool-owner. There's a lot less required trust, because while the pool owner can still shut down the pool before you get your "fair share" (aka virtual balance), HE doesn't get anything out of it. It's a very subtle and clever system, so I suggest you (or the developer) spend some time thinking about it to understand why it truly works, and I won't use a pool without it. Obviously, you can incorporate the 3% fees as just taking 3% off the top of the generation block to your own address. Eligius itself has no fees, but since your fees would be going to an actual cause, I might not mind as much.

The developer is interested in incorporating this (see here) but needs a little insight. Do you think you could answer his questions? Thank you!

Sure, have him send me a private message. I'll answer any questions I can, and any that I can't I'll refer you to someone who can.

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Quote from: swusc2 on June 10, 2011, 01:25:59 AM

It's up to debate whether climate change is natural or man-made and how much people are doing to upset the balance.

But concrete > trees. You can out bid people for land for ecological preservation and use it as such to plant trees. Climate change may or may not be inevitable/disastrous/nothing at all. But trees don't grow out of concrete and there are definitely less trees, and that man-made.

I don't think it's impossible for man to have an impact, but any government 'solution' by force really isn't going to do anything. A free market approach isn't so bad though cause people have choice.

One thing about tress though, trees used in the paper and lumber industry are all farmed. They plant them, wait until they grow to the right size, cut them down, plant new ones.

Don't take it personally I just get antsy whenever I see "save the world by doing x!"

That might be partially true maybe some developed countries can afford or FARM trees. But the majority of nations can't. I can say for fact China does not FARM trees for its needs and most of South American if not all of Africa.

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Quote from: swusc2 on June 10, 2011, 01:25:59 AM

It's up to debate whether climate change is natural or man-made and how much people are doing to upset the balance.

But concrete > trees. You can out bid people for land for ecological preservation and use it as such to plant trees. Climate change may or may not be inevitable/disastrous/nothing at all. But trees don't grow out of concrete and there are definitely less trees, and that man-made.

I don't think it's impossible for man to have an impact, but any government 'solution' by force really isn't going to do anything. A free market approach isn't so bad though cause people have choice.

One thing about tress though, trees used in the paper and lumber industry are all farmed. They plant them, wait until they grow to the right size, cut them down, plant new ones.

Don't take it personally I just get antsy whenever I see "save the world from climate change by doing x!"

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Quote from: AnonymousBat on June 10, 2011, 01:20:33 AM

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One issue we're all aware of is that mining uses a LOT of electricity and therefore our carbon footprint rises, sometimes substantially. Enter EcoCoin.org, a new mining pool where the profit from our 2% fees go towards purchasing trees and rainforest land to offset your carbon footprint. If you mine with EcoCoin, you can rest easier knowing you're helping save the earth one mined Bitcoin at a time.

No offense, but I don't buy into the propaganda that the world is going to end because we use electricity, and that a throwing a bunch of money at the problem is somehow going to 'fix' it. The entire climate change 'problem' is a scam in order to basically create a new currency called carbon credits, with a new central bank, and the best part? The credits can expire if they're unused!

Newsflash: The climate always changes.

At least you're doing it by choice and not by government force though.

It's up to debate whether climate change is natural or man-made and how much people are doing to upset the balance.

But concrete > trees. You can out bid people for land for ecological preservation and use it as such to plant trees. Climate change may or may not be inevitable/disastrous/nothing at all. But trees don't grow out of concrete and there are definitely less trees, and that man-made.

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Quote from: simplecoin on June 10, 2011, 12:25:42 AM

Very nice rework of the framework! Where's the clap emoticon when I need it?

Thank you very much. And thank YOU for making all this possible!

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One issue we're all aware of is that mining uses a LOT of electricity and therefore our carbon footprint rises, sometimes substantially. Enter EcoCoin.org, a new mining pool where the profit from our 2% fees go towards purchasing trees and rainforest land to offset your carbon footprint. If you mine with EcoCoin, you can rest easier knowing you're helping save the earth one mined Bitcoin at a time.

No offense, but I don't buy into the propaganda that the world is going to end because we use electricity, and that a throwing a bunch of money at the problem is somehow going to 'fix' it. The entire climate change 'problem' is a scam in order to basically create a new currency called carbon credits, with a new central bank, and the best part? The credits can expire if they're unused!

Newsflash: The climate always changes.

At least you're doing it by choice and not by government force though.

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Awesome! I was actually looking for a pool that I really feel worthy of supporting and this is it. Kudos for creating this!!!

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what an absolutely brilliant idea. i love this!

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Quote from: foggyb on June 09, 2011, 11:58:40 PM

I am all for planting trees and keeping the planet healthy. But I am opposed to the idea of a carbon footprint. Trees are important for keeping the air clean of pollutants (carbon dioxide is NOT a pollutant, its essential for life).

Carbon dixoide is absorbed by the oceans (over 70% of the earth's surface is ocean) when the earth is cooler (when the sun is not as active). Similarly, carbon dioxide is released by the oceans when the earth gets warmer (when the sun is very active with sunspots and solar flares). This all means that increased carbon dioxide levels FOLLOW global warming. It does NOT cause it.

It really is that simple.

To sum up, trees are free. No one owns them, anyone can go plant a tree on their own, there is no need a for a "carbon footprint fund".

I'd like to thank Al Gore for making this little rant (necessary).

Either way, there's a lot of rainforres to be rescued... Animals live there and they need the space...

simplecoin

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Very nice rework of the framework! Where's the clap emoticon when I need it?

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Quote from: Quantumplation on June 09, 2011, 11:32:35 PM

Wow, such a simple idea, I love it. If you did block payouts like Eligius, I'd totally switch.

Can you please explain how the block payouts differ and why it's better? I'd be happy to refer your thoughts to the software developer if it is indeed a superior system. Thank you.

Here's a block solved by the Eligius pool:

http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000000026210a972387c00e6db801346b32a815a996d698211d71a197c

The software keeps a virtual tally of your unpaid balance. Once this crosses 1btc, you're paid out on the next generated block, RIGHT there, in the generation block. The money never sits in some intermediary account held by the pool-owner. There's a lot less required trust, because while the pool owner can still shut down the pool before you get your "fair share" (aka virtual balance), HE doesn't get anything out of it. It's a very subtle and clever system, so I suggest you (or the developer) spend some time thinking about it to understand why it truly works, and I won't use a pool without it. Obviously, you can incorporate the 3% fees as just taking 3% off the top of the generation block to your own address. Eligius itself has no fees, but since your fees would be going to an actual cause, I might not mind as much.

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Thank you very much. Let's see if we can self regulate like we claim

Bitcoin will autoregulate, just not necesarely the way you like it to autoregulate.

Anyway, good luck with the new pool. Its a good idea.

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I am all for planting trees and keeping the planet healthy. But I am opposed to the idea of a carbon footprint. Trees are important for keeping the air clean of pollutants (carbon dioxide is NOT a pollutant, its essential for life).

Carbon dixoide is absorbed by the oceans (over 70% of the earth's surface is ocean) when the earth is cooler (when the sun is not as active). Similarly, carbon dioxide is released by the oceans when the earth gets warmer (when the sun is very active with sunspots and solar flares). This all means that increased carbon dioxide levels FOLLOW global warming. It does NOT cause it.

It really is that simple.

To sum up, trees are free. No one owns them, anyone can go plant a tree on their own, there is no need a for a "carbon footprint fund".

I'd like to thank Al Gore for making this little rant (necessary).

Quantumplation

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Wow, such a simple idea, I love it. If you did block payouts like Eligius, I'd totally switch.

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Love the idea good luck mate

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Let's make a positive difference! Thank you!

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