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legendary
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November 01, 2019, 09:36:44 AM
Countries aren't overpopulated it's just people who like convenience. They prefer to live in crowded places because it's easy to get everywhere.
I live in a small town where most people have a big garden in the back of the house and a driveway for a couple cars in front. When I ask some of my friends who live in one bedroom apartments if they would sell it and buy a small house instead they all say no. Because they would have to get a car to move around they would have to drive to work they would have to cut grass and do garden work, stores are far  away they would need a bigger fridge and a freezer and worry about heating. They choose to live in overpopulated places! To battle it you have to battle mentality.
legendary
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November 01, 2019, 05:56:25 AM
Ultimately, the planet's human population would be limited by the limit on the conversion of available sunlight to food.

Not with nuclear fusion.


Are you talking about allowing fusion energy that is good for life, but shielding from fusion energy that is dangerous for life? Or are you talking about converting fusion to electricity so we can power white light "bulbs" for plant needs?

What do you mean?


I mean that with unlimited energy one can synthesize almost anything a human needs to stay alive including nutrients.  No old-fashioned sun required.

sr. member
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November 01, 2019, 05:01:45 AM
How to live comfortable in an over populated environment?

You cannot stop growing it but a country can reduce it. By limiting child in every country can reduce a population. By the people who doesn't do family planning can do for adding much population.

If you want to live comfortable you can migrate to some country who doesn't overpopulation. If you haven't any money for that then it's fine to live uncomfortable.
sr. member
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October 31, 2019, 12:21:23 PM
How to live comfortable in an over populated environment?

Over populated areas lead to scarcity of resources at different levels if not dealt properly. There is fight and increase in prices of land, food and water. Also, healthcare and employment is difficult to serve as demand is high and capital can be less. But there can be some positive outcomes for overpopulated areas like diversity in culture and if we consider a marketplace, more players lead to more competition which leads to competitive pricing and eventually benefits the people.

There are advantage and disadvantage of over population, it creates scarcity yes but it also creates opportunity for most people as you can sell any kinds of staff, good and services as there's a lot demand, just like here in our country wherein it is over populated but created a lot of demand.
legendary
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October 31, 2019, 12:05:56 PM
Ultimately, the planet's human population would be limited by the limit on the conversion of available sunlight to food.


Not with nuclear fusion.



Are you talking about allowing fusion energy that is good for life, but shielding from fusion energy that is dangerous for life? Or are you talking about converting fusion to electricity so we can power white light "bulbs" for plant needs?

What do you mean?

Cool
legendary
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October 30, 2019, 09:08:00 PM
Ultimately, the planet's human population would be limited by the limit on the conversion of available sunlight to food.


Not with nuclear fusion.

legendary
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October 30, 2019, 07:24:10 PM

The question is not if we can fit billions more.  

The issue is sustainability, pollution control/cleanup, resource (water/air/land/food/energy) management, etc.

I think when we reach 14-15 Billion we will be close to that peak carrying capacity, maybe sooner.

Do you have any specific reasons why that seems like a good number?

Many think we will be out potable water and food when we reach 10 billion.
https://www.livescience.com/16493-people-planet-earth-support.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation


We are barely starting with the technology that can take care of, say, 100 billion. DickDuckGo search on "graphene water filtration" as an example.

Cool

100 billion on this planet?  Hmm, I don't see how.
Ultimately, the planet's human population would be limited by the limit on the conversion of available sunlight to food.

sr. member
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October 30, 2019, 07:14:28 PM
How to live comfortable in an over populated environment?
My definition of comfortable would be having your own space with all the things you need arranged neatly. It doesn't have to be grand as long as you can move freely at your own pace. You know, just keeping things tidy so that you can rest comfortably despite the environment.

It would be challenging but if there's a will, there's a way. I mean, if you want to feel comfortable somehow, then you should do something about it. There's nothing we can do about the population anymore. You can only change and control yourself. Still, that's my own opinion. We all have different perspectives, after all.
sr. member
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October 30, 2019, 03:48:51 PM
How to live comfortable in an over populated environment?

Over populated areas lead to scarcity of resources at different levels if not dealt properly. There is fight and increase in prices of land, food and water. Also, healthcare and employment is difficult to serve as demand is high and capital can be less. But there can be some positive outcomes for overpopulated areas like diversity in culture and if we consider a marketplace, more players lead to more competition which leads to competitive pricing and eventually benefits the people.
legendary
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October 30, 2019, 01:36:14 PM

The question is not if we can fit billions more.  

The issue is sustainability, pollution control/cleanup, resource (water/air/land/food/energy) management, etc.

I think when we reach 14-15 Billion we will be close to that peak carrying capacity, maybe sooner.

Do you have any specific reasons why that seems like a good number?

Many think we will be out potable water and food when we reach 10 billion.
https://www.livescience.com/16493-people-planet-earth-support.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation


We are barely starting with the technology that can take care of, say, 100 billion. DickDuckGo search on "graphene water filtration" as an example.

Cool

100 billion on this planet?  Hmm, I don't see how.

Start to get the picture by considering a 2000 sq ft flat for four people... close to the average size of a family. Add another 500 hundred sq ft for utility, for a total of 2500 sq ft.

Use a 7.5 billion estimated population of the world.

This equals out to about 168141 sq miles, which equals out to 16814 square miles if there are 10 stories in each apartment complex.

Land area of the earth is about 57,510,000 sq miles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth). This means we would be using about 0.029% (well under a tenth of a percent) of land area for habitation.

We could easily go up another 10 stories, and down 10 stories. And if we considered the oceans, we would almost have an additional 2.5 times the space.

In an above post, I mentioned graphene water filtration, which can filter saltwater. Also, there are farming techniques that use humic microbes, humic acids, gibberellic acid, and plant nutrients that go way beyond fertilizers for growing plants.

And this isn't all by a long shot. We are barely using what we have available to us. One hundred billion population can easily be handled, if we want to handle it. The problem is working together.

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legendary
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October 30, 2019, 12:19:25 PM
^^^ Right! And if people decided to build up, or build down, or cover the oceans, and build up and down on the oceans, Earth could easily hold many billions more.

Cool

The question is not if we can fit billions more.  

The issue is sustainability, pollution control/cleanup, resource (water/air/land/food/energy) management, etc.


Exactly, population Control is necessary! And in order to make it possible, government should impose strict laws (such as having a maximum of two children) and have a regular check on per family birth rate!The offenders should be punished in a form of hefty fine!
This infact has been under implementation in a few countries. In my country, this failed miserly, government forced vasectomy after second child and impulsively, the public got furious and started anti-government rallies, thus forcing government to take the rule back. Vasectomy was a bad solution, a heavy fine might also not be sufficient, what else could we think of?

Except that Big Business controls the government. And they are the ones that are causing us to pollute by what they manufacture for us to uses, and the way they manufacture.

Population reduction will be painfully automatic when we start dying off because of pollution. So attempted, formal population control is unnecessary. Cleaning up pollution will only tend to increase population.

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sr. member
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October 30, 2019, 12:07:15 PM
^^^ Right! And if people decided to build up, or build down, or cover the oceans, and build up and down on the oceans, Earth could easily hold many billions more.

Cool

The question is not if we can fit billions more.  

The issue is sustainability, pollution control/cleanup, resource (water/air/land/food/energy) management, etc.


Exactly, Population Control is necessary! And in order to make it possible, government should impose strict laws (such as having a maximum of two children per family) and have a regular check on per family birth rate!
The offenders should be punished in a form of hefty fine!
This infact has been under implementation in a few countries. In my country, this failed miserly, government forced vasectomy after second child and impulsively, the public got furious and started anti-government rallies. This forced government to take the rule back.
Vasectomy was a bad solution, a heavy fine might also not be sufficient, what else could we think of?
legendary
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October 30, 2019, 10:23:01 AM

The question is not if we can fit billions more.  

The issue is sustainability, pollution control/cleanup, resource (water/air/land/food/energy) management, etc.

I think when we reach 14-15 Billion we will be close to that peak carrying capacity, maybe sooner.

Do you have any specific reasons why that seems like a good number?

Many think we will be out potable water and food when we reach 10 billion.
https://www.livescience.com/16493-people-planet-earth-support.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation


We are barely starting with the technology that can take care of, say, 100 billion. DickDuckGo search on "graphene water filtration" as an example.

Cool
legendary
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Merit: 1389
October 30, 2019, 10:20:06 AM
^^^ Right! And if people decided to build up, or build down, or cover the oceans, and build up and down on the oceans, Earth could easily hold many billions more.

Cool

i feel sorry for your wife if your thinking of having 100billion kids in 9 months
if you even done some math,,
8000m2 per person

yep a family of four equates to having enough habitable land for 40 of these
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ee/83/62/ee8362b7cfef4cf9517cc3c196c2e043.jpg
2car garage, outdoor pool, patio area all four sides garden, and a guest house

so selling 39 plots to be used for retail/farming
and this is only in a scenario of single floor living.

I was thinking of 150,000 kids, but my wife opted for a number far less than that.

The point wasn't how many kids anybody might have. The point was and is how many the earth can support. The point wasn't an exact number. The point was to show that with a little innovation, the earth can be made to easily support possibly many times the number presently in existence.

Consider single floor layers, deep underground and high above ground, and in the oceans, as well.

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legendary
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October 30, 2019, 07:32:36 AM

The question is not if we can fit billions more.  

The issue is sustainability, pollution control/cleanup, resource (water/air/land/food/energy) management, etc.

I think when we reach 14-15 Billion we will be close to that peak carrying capacity, maybe sooner.

Do you have any specific reasons why that seems like a good number?

legendary
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October 30, 2019, 12:04:37 AM
^^^ Right! And if people decided to build up, or build down, or cover the oceans, and build up and down on the oceans, Earth could easily hold many billions more.

Cool

i feel sorry for your wife if your thinking of having 100billion kids in 9 months
if you even done some math,,
8000m2 per person

yep a family of four equates to having enough habitable land for 40 of these

2car garage, outdoor pool, patio area all four sides garden, and a guest house

so selling 39 plots to be used for retail/farming
and this is only in a scenario of single floor living.
legendary
Activity: 4046
Merit: 1389
October 29, 2019, 07:39:10 PM
^^^ Right! And if people decided to build up, or build down, or cover the oceans, and build up and down on the oceans, Earth could easily hold many billions more.

Cool
legendary
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October 29, 2019, 06:56:15 PM
How to live comfortable in an over populated environment?

overpopulated environment?

where?

i see all countries with empty land.. i se many of those countries paid by governments not to grow on it, not to build on it but just sit on the land.

over population/underpopulation is not about there not being physical land. its about politics. governments/bankers put limits on what can be done so that the cause a demand increase in urban areas purely for profit.

its stuff like why is the price of meat expensive.. its not due to animal feed issues or land.. but simply farming quotas
housing shortage is not about land its about politics to only want builders building on 'brown' sites(urban) by building up(apartments/skyscrapers) not outwards

no one needs to create man made islands.. if population was a true environment concern governments would and do just release more land for building on

there is 57mill miles2 of land.. 27mill miles2 for habitable use

this equates to ~8000metres2 per person.... more than enough to build a family house on and sell the rest off as farmland
legendary
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October 29, 2019, 01:26:19 AM
How to live comfortable in an over populated environment?
Now problems and many people and even the young are interested in survival in the wild . For example in Siberia or in the forests of Canada.  This is now a very popular movement and you can read more about it.

Forget it.  The people who own the planet have already claimed the millions of square miles of those kinds of places and let plebs go there only in very controlled conditions.  Mostly to work on resource extraction for them.

The plebs home is the 'human habitats'.  That is, a 24 m^2 chunk of floor area usually between 5 and 40 meters above the surface of the earth.  You can rent it.  If you have no money it will be subsidized.  You don't get to own it, or really anything else because...you know...24 m^2 allotment.

Note that as a demonstration of the infinite kindness of our wise earth-saving leaders you will have some greenspace in which to walk with 'doggie reflection pools' for your dog.  You can (for a energy credit deduction) have a small pet of some sort.  Obviously you cannot have a human child.

newbie
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October 29, 2019, 01:06:21 AM
How to live comfortable in an over populated environment?
Now problems and many people and even the young are interested in survival in the wild . For example in Siberia or in the forests of Canada.  This is now a very popular movement and you can read more about it.
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