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Quote from: af_newbie on October 30, 2019, 07:22:49 AM

The question is not if we can fit billions more.

The issue is sustainability, pollution control/cleanup, resource (water/air/land/food/energy) management, etc.

I think when we reach 14-15 Billion we will be close to that peak carrying capacity, maybe sooner.

Do you have any specific reasons why that seems like a good number?

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Quote from: BADecker on October 29, 2019, 07:39:10 PM

^^^ Right! And if people decided to build up, or build down, or cover the oceans, and build up and down on the oceans, Earth could easily hold many billions more.

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The question is not if we can fit billions more.

The issue is sustainability, pollution control/cleanup, resource (water/air/land/food/energy) management, etc.

I think when we reach 14-15 Billion we will be close to that peak carrying capacity, maybe sooner.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 29, 2019, 07:39:10 PM

^^^ Right! And if people decided to build up, or build down, or cover the oceans, and build up and down on the oceans, Earth could easily hold many billions more.

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i feel sorry for your wife if your thinking of having 100billion kids in 9 months
if you even done some math,,
8000m² per person

yep a family of four equates to having enough habitable land for 40 of these

2car garage, outdoor pool, patio area all four sides garden, and a guest house

so selling 39 plots to be used for retail/farming
and this is only in a scenario of single floor living.

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^^^ Right! And if people decided to build up, or build down, or cover the oceans, and build up and down on the oceans, Earth could easily hold many billions more.

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Quote from: owates on February 16, 2018, 02:45:02 AM

How to live comfortable in an over populated environment?

overpopulated environment?

where?

i see all countries with empty land.. i se many of those countries paid by governments not to grow on it, not to build on it but just sit on the land.

over population/underpopulation is not about there not being physical land. its about politics. governments/bankers put limits on what can be done so that the cause a demand increase in urban areas purely for profit.

its stuff like why is the price of meat expensive.. its not due to animal feed issues or land.. but simply farming quotas
housing shortage is not about land its about politics to only want builders building on 'brown' sites(urban) by building up(apartments/skyscrapers) not outwards

no one needs to create man made islands.. if population was a true environment concern governments would and do just release more land for building on

there is 57mill miles² of land.. 27mill miles² for habitable use

this equates to ~8000metres² per person.... more than enough to build a family house on and sell the rest off as farmland

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Quote from: hatadiri on October 29, 2019, 01:06:21 AM

Quote from: owates on February 16, 2018, 02:45:02 AM

How to live comfortable in an over populated environment?

Now problems and many people and even the young are interested in survival in the wild . For example in Siberia or in the forests of Canada. This is now a very popular movement and you can read more about it.

Forget it. The people who own the planet have already claimed the millions of square miles of those kinds of places and let plebs go there only in very controlled conditions. Mostly to work on resource extraction for them.

The plebs home is the 'human habitats'. That is, a 24 m^2 chunk of floor area usually between 5 and 40 meters above the surface of the earth. You can rent it. If you have no money it will be subsidized. You don't get to own it, or really anything else because...you know...24 m^2 allotment.

Note that as a demonstration of the infinite kindness of our wise earth-saving leaders you will have some greenspace in which to walk with 'doggie reflection pools' for your dog. You can (for a energy credit deduction) have a small pet of some sort. Obviously you cannot have a human child.

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Quote from: owates on February 16, 2018, 02:45:02 AM

How to live comfortable in an over populated environment?

Now problems and many people and even the young are interested in survival in the wild . For example in Siberia or in the forests of Canada. This is now a very popular movement and you can read more about it.

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Quote from: dillpicklechips on October 28, 2019, 08:12:34 PM

Quote from: owates on February 16, 2018, 02:45:02 AM

How to live comfortable in an over populated environment?

We have this called our personal spaces, intimate, territorial and just our owm space, maybe we cam live comfortable depends om how the person itself handle it or how he manage to ignore the people, mind your own business. This analogy is a better example to give ease on mind when it comes on living comfortably.

Sadly the reality is that we cant live comfortably, the mere fact that some of us doesnt have the privacy mostly the people that are living on an area which many people occupied all of the spaces, to be more specific is the status of most cities that are living in poverty.

I disagree with that, still we can live comfortably despite the fact that we are too populated, here in our country although we are too populated still we choose to live our life at its best. Actually, having a populated country creates a lot of opportunities, the demand is increasing so we can do business whatever we want and wherever place.

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Quote from: owates on February 16, 2018, 02:45:02 AM

How to live comfortable in an over populated environment?

We have this called our personal spaces, intimate, territorial and just our owm space, maybe we cam live comfortable depends om how the person itself handle it or how he manage to ignore the people, mind your own business. This analogy is a better example to give ease on mind when it comes on living comfortably.

Sadly the reality is that we cant live comfortably, the mere fact that some of us doesnt have the privacy mostly the people that are living on an area which many people occupied all of the spaces, to be more specific is the status of most cities that are living in poverty.

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It's so hard to be honest. I live in one of the most populated city in the second largest country in the world. The constant honking of cars, crowds at bus, train, the constant staring of people at you for no reason are too much to bear sometimes lol. I wish I was in a calm environment. There is actually no strategy to adjust because it's just impossible and hence, best is to collect resources and buy a private alone island Cheesy

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Quote from: Magkirap on October 12, 2019, 06:59:53 PM

Quote from: owates on February 16, 2018, 02:45:02 AM

How to live comfortable in an over populated environment?

You need to be strategic and adopt the changes in the environment.

You really need to understand who the 'change agents' are and what, exactly their end-goal is.

Actually, most 'change agents' are themselves clueless pawns. You really need to look to a relatively high level to see the big picture. Much work is done through so-called 'NGO's and 'public/private partnerships'. Look into the funding of these to unravel the thread.

On a personal level, once you see the big picture and the trajectory you will be better prepared to make good multi-decade choices which will give you the quality of life you think you want. And take sides politically at some level if you choose to. It is perfectly possible that most people will choose the 'managed human habitiat' option (and later the 'singularity' stuff.) I would just say that people should realize that there is deep marketing science used by those pushing this option and it is almost certain that there is a degree of 'bait and switch'. Probably a huge degree of it.

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Quote from: owates on February 16, 2018, 02:45:02 AM

How to live comfortable in an over populated environment?

You need to be strategic and adopt the changes in the environment. Actually living in a populated environment doesn't mean that you will not be comfortable. And by the way what kind of comfortable do you mean? Do you mean financially? If yes what you need to do is to be unmaterialistic and disciplined. A friend of mine share what was his strategy to earn money. He said I just need to make something as an asset not as a liability.

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^^^ The point is that there is no population problem. All there is, is inconvenience and population control by leaders.

Time to move to land areas that are free from great population.Take a few families with you so that you can support each other in times of need.

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Quote from: yazher on October 10, 2019, 09:59:10 PM

Quote from: tvbcof on October 10, 2019, 09:09:49 PM

The funny thing about your picture is that in the background one can see a huge amount of dry land seemingly without a soul on it.

That part of the city is secured zone, We cannot enter there, a lot of soldiers are roaming in the area. You cannot set footstep on that part, the consequences is you will get yourself shot. there are rumors that they are operating something there. some say, that they are mining gold or any kind of Minerals. I don't know, I didn't go that far though I live in this city for almost 20 years.

The idea behind United Nations 'Agenda 21' is to concentrate the peeps into extremely dense areas and keep the resource producing areas strictly off-limits.

By consolidating the peeps they are much easier to manage and control, and the out-of-pocket expense per head of keeping them is much reduced. Not unlike 'factory farming' of hogs. A hog's lifespan is optimized to achieve the highest efficiency, and pharmaceuticals are key to various kinds of operations.

A side benefit of compacting people into limited space is that you can propagandize them into believing that there is 'overpopulation' and present yourself (the ruling class) as the savior who will 'save the earth' as justification for your station in life...as the 'visioners'. People who have not traveled much and only watch mainstream media will eat it up. We see that in the various comments here.

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Quote from: tvbcof on October 10, 2019, 09:09:49 PM

The funny thing about your picture is that in the background one can see a huge amount of dry land seemingly without a soul on it.

That part of the city is secured zone, We cannot enter there, a lot of soldiers are roaming in the area. You cannot set footstep on that part, the consequences is you will get yourself shot. there are rumors that they are operating something there. some say, that they are mining gold or any kind of Minerals. I don't know, I didn't go that far though I live in this city for almost 20 years.

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Quote from: yazher on October 10, 2019, 08:05:16 PM

We already have this kind of house in our city in the village called Rio Hondo, where people are actually building their houses on the seashore.
The reason behind this is the same, it is because of the expensive land. Most of the people cannot afford to live in a land anymore. If you build your house there, you will not pay for the place where you build your house.

I spent my first year of life in such a dwelling (U.S. state of Alaska). Part of the reason people built that way was that one could shit through a hole on the back porch and it fall right onto the beach. Same with trash. Twice a day the tide would come in and wash everything away. The other part of the reason was that the terrain was very rugged so building a platform over the beach was a way to achieve a level elevation.

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The funny thing about your picture is that in the background one can see a huge amount of dry land seemingly without a soul on it.

I would suggest that TPTB have engineered an artificial scarcity of dry land through various 'land use planning' and what-not. Happy days for the real estate barons who heavily fund and thus guide various aspects of the 'green agenda'.

Happy days also for the landless bureaucrats TPTB hire who get to play like they actually own something by telling others what they can and cannot do with the land they pay taxes on.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on October 10, 2019, 12:23:38 PM

You should ask the Japanese, they are masters at this fine art. There's even a trend of building micro apartments in places where the land is very expensive. In the UK more and more people are choosing boats instead of normal houses because it's cheaper to buy an old boat, turn it into a house and live in one of the canals than buy a flat in London.

We already have this kind of house in our city in the village called Rio Hondo, where people are actually building their houses on the seashore.
The reason behind this is the same, it is because of the expensive land. Most of the people cannot afford to live in a land anymore. If you build your house there, you will not pay for the place where you build your house.

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comfort can be obtained if we can have what we want.
in a dense population we can take advantage of opportunities to make business and socialize with people in our environment.

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^^^ But will there always be room to do this? Are the oceans really that vast?

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You should ask the Japanese, they are masters at this fine art. There's even a trend of building micro apartments in places where the land is very expensive. In the UK more and more people are choosing boats instead of normal houses because it's cheaper to buy an old boat, turn it into a house and live in one of the canals than buy a flat in London.

I used to live in big cities but now prefer to live in the suburbs where there's hardly anybody around. The less people there are the more nature you can see around you taking back what belongs to it. Overcrowded places are so loud and smelly.

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