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Topic: PorcFest 2012 -- Biggest Bitcoin event ever - page 5. (Read 18024 times)

legendary
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
Please do understand though, that this is a very libertarian event. People attending are expected to live up to the non-aggression principle. If seeing lots of people walking around open carrying bothers you then you won't be comfortable.

i find it rather curious that in one of the most religious first world countries people can be patriots and at the same time have a philosophy that closely resembles satanism. ok la veyan satanism mostly, and he was american and basically an atheist, but still...



Satanists are anti-drug. There were lot's of drugs at Porcfest.

I can confirm 100% there were plenty drugs at the event  Grin
hero member
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I've never seen those rules anywhere in my life, and don't coincide at all with my own understanding of the term.  That said, even if I were to agree that the above highlighted rules are an equivilent to the non-agression principle (I don't), any such similarities are coincidental.  Every religion on Earth has some kind of general principle that seems similar on it's face, and I think that even Satanists would be offended by the comparison, since part of the defining rules you cite would explicitly exclude most Americans & most libertarians.

you claim a lot but you never present any argument or facts.
i get that you disagree with me but neither how nor why.

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Apparently I did, but my argument stands.  You have a distored view of Americans and satanists.

what argument? "no" is not an argument in my book.
i have met with actual satanists and did quite a bit of reading on related philosophy.
i might have a distorted view of americans but i think i share that with the americans  Wink
legendary
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The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth

Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
When in another’s home, show them respect or else do not go there.
If a guest in your home annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.
Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
Do not take that which does not belong to you, unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved.

Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
Do not harm young children.
Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them.

the highlighted ones seem to fit the libertarian heavily armed non-aggression principle pretty well.
which leaves us with my statement of the usa being one of the most religious first world countries.

I've never seen those rules anywhere in my life, and don't coincide at all with my own understanding of the term.  That said, even if I were to agree that the above highlighted rules are an equivilent to the non-agression principle (I don't), any such similarities are coincidental.  Every religion on Earth has some kind of general principle that seems similar on it's face, and I think that even Satanists would be offended by the comparison, since part of the defining rules you cite would explicitly exclude most Americans & most libertarians.
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In a 2002 study, 59% of Americans said that religion played a "very important role in their lives", a far higher figure than that of any other wealthy nation.

so i dont see where my view is so distorted. maybe you misunderstood me.


Apparently I did, but my argument stands.  You have a distored view of Americans and satanists.
legendary
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I'm not sure what the breakdown of libertarian vs religious is... not something I've ever looked into,  but I would agree it's probably reasonable that a similar percentage of libertarians are religious as the rest of the country.  So that particular fact aside, I don't see how religion, liberatarianism and patriotism directly relate to each other.  One does not go with the other in any combination.

You can be one, two or all three or any combination, I don't think one has any bearing on the other.  There may be some minor correlation with libertarian and patriots, but I don't see it as being a strong one.  In fact, I would tend to thing it may be just the opposite... the more libertarian you are, the less patriotic you are, on average.    That's just purely my conjecture though, I have nothing to back that up with.
hero member
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Quote from: wikipedia
The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth

Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
When in another’s home, show them respect or else do not go there.
If a guest in your home annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.
Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
Do not take that which does not belong to you, unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved.

Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
Do not harm young children.
Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them.

the highlighted ones seem to fit the libertarian heavily armed non-aggression principle pretty well.
which leaves us with my statement of the usa being one of the most religious first world countries.

Quote from: wikipedia-usa-article
In a 2002 study, 59% of Americans said that religion played a "very important role in their lives", a far higher figure than that of any other wealthy nation.

so i dont see where my view is so distorted. maybe you misunderstood me.

@inaba

i didnt say it was representative. but to me it seems most libertarians are no less religious than other americans and they consider themselves patriots. i might be wrong about that.
i admit that i am a bit struggling because the whole movement has no equivalent here whatsoever.

@daily anarchist
i am not really an expert but i dont think thats really a superimportant part of la veyan satanism.
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Read Anton LaVey's The Satanic Bible. Those Satanists are anti-drug.
legendary
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Satanists are anti-drug.
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Can't say that our definitions of the term are even close to each other.
hero member
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Please do understand though, that this is a very libertarian event. People attending are expected to live up to the non-aggression principle. If seeing lots of people walking around open carrying bothers you then you won't be comfortable.

i find it rather curious that in one of the most religious first world countries people can be patriots and at the same time have a philosophy that closely resembles satanism. ok la veyan satanism mostly, and he was american and basically an atheist, but still...



Satanists are anti-drug. There were lot's of drugs at Porcfest.
legendary
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Disregarding the "most religious first world country" bit, I'm confused how a gathering of a few thousand people can be representative of a country of 350+ million people, as well.  I can gather 5000 hard core atheists, does that represent the rest of the country?

I mean... it was a libertarian festival.  What did you expect to find there, conservatives?

legendary
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Please do understand though, that this is a very libertarian event. People attending are expected to live up to the non-aggression principle. If seeing lots of people walking around open carrying bothers you then you won't be comfortable.

i find it rather curious that in one of the most religious first world countries people can be patriots and at the same time have a philosophy that closely resembles satanism. ok la veyan satanism mostly, and he was american and basically an atheist, but still...

You have a very distored view of Americans.

how so?

Pretty much the entire part I highlighted.

EDIT: Or, perhaps, a very distorted understanding of Satanism?
legendary
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New Hampshire does have a significant head start as far as Bitcoin becoming a routinely used currency:

 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-reaching-critical-mass-in-new-hampshire-66832

In October in San Diego is Libertopia 12 (October 11-14, 2012).

 

 - http://libertopia.org/festival

I've only talked with one person who will be a presenter there, and I failed to get past the "Bitcoin isn't gold or silver therefore it will never be money" bias.  That was, however, before Erik Voorhees' Bitcoin  - The Libertarian Introduction (which appeared in the April 2012 issue of Freedom's Phoenix) and *now* at least Bitcoin has become a topic worthy of discussion.
 - http://evoorhees.blogspot.com/2012/04/bitcoin-libertarian-introduction.html

Are there any other gatherings or clusters of Bitcoiners?
hero member
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Please do understand though, that this is a very libertarian event. People attending are expected to live up to the non-aggression principle. If seeing lots of people walking around open carrying bothers you then you won't be comfortable.

i find it rather curious that in one of the most religious first world countries people can be patriots and at the same time have a philosophy that closely resembles satanism. ok la veyan satanism mostly, and he was american and basically an atheist, but still...



You have a very distored view of Americans.

how so?
legendary
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Please do understand though, that this is a very libertarian event. People attending are expected to live up to the non-aggression principle. If seeing lots of people walking around open carrying bothers you then you won't be comfortable.

i find it rather curious that in one of the most religious first world countries people can be patriots and at the same time have a philosophy that closely resembles satanism. ok la veyan satanism mostly, and he was american and basically an atheist, but still...



You have a very distored view of Americans.
donator
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
rjk
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legendary
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Democracy is the original 51% attack
Given that Bitcoin transactions take a few hours how does someone pay for something like an ice cream that requires the payment up front before the goods are handed over?

Bitcoin transactions are instantaneous. There is no need to wait longer for payment confirmations in 99.99% of transactions.
donator
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
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legendary
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hero member
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Please do understand though, that this is a very libertarian event. People attending are expected to live up to the non-aggression principle. If seeing lots of people walking around open carrying bothers you then you won't be comfortable.

i find it rather curious that in one of the most religious first world countries people can be patriots and at the same time have a philosophy that closely resembles satanism. ok la veyan satanism mostly, and he was american and basically an atheist, but still...

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