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legendary
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July 16, 2014, 07:08:44 PM
The massive BTC investments are probably the dev...by simply taking his own BTC and sending it to HIS OWN "presale" BTC addresses - VOILA - he now owns 10%, 20%, 30%, 40%, of the overall presale viacoins by simply exchanging BTC between 2 OF HIS OWN ADDRESSES.

This presale format MASQUERADES as "fair and open", but it's the dev (and his cronies?) who are in a position to really game the system and do some illegal/unethical things.

The more I think about it, the more pissed I get - this is NOTHING MORE THAN A PREMINE with a different name/scheme...btcdrak could have easily boughten more than 50% of the presale viacoins with ZERO RISK whatsoever!

Also, in the entire next 12 months, there will only be about 6.5M viacoins mined anyways, so if the dev "bought" (i.e. sent BTC from his left hand to his right hand) 50% of the presale viacoins, he essentially "premined" 30% of viacoin on a 1 year time frame!  

no wonder why btcdrak acted so rude and guilty in the IRC chats - he's probably too busy sending BTC to his presale and felt guilty about it!

do you all see my point!?  


That wasn't the dev.  He just made over 600 BTC in ICO funds. He's a pretty trusted guy in crypto trading circles, I just don't see him doing this kind of stuff. If you weren't expecting massive buys at the last possible minute you must be new here.  Those huge buys were probably cryptocobain  Grin.


check the blockchain, https://blockchain.info/address/1BoAzeau3NHzRd1Mq9BXebyG1cJ1FEbeKk

the guy who invest 75btc has 2756BTC!

he is a big player and holder for sure.
if you check the public note signed in the blockchain:

you will find more info, such as

That guy donate 27.2447 BTC for peace: Public Note: I'm a guy from Ukraine. In Ukraine the Civil War and the Nazis kill innocent people. I have three small children and I fear for their lives. I want to get away from the war, but I did’t have enough money. Help me please. Send me some BTC. Save our souls.

Public Note: 3 BU condition 1 BTC Casascius 2011 error coins as agreed by PM.

Public Note: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7648595

Public Note: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7576886

Can you find the 75BTC person now? Wink



the biggest invest did not come out from dev.

and this coin has a big potential to rank in top3 in the coinmarketcap, that's the reason why i invest.

as we all know, recently cryptoword are full of useless features, we do need a great coin to lead altcoin to the right path that altcoin should focus on real applications based blockchain.

i see so big potential on viacoin, that's the reason why i invest.

personally i think the applications based blockchain is the real reason that will support bitcoin reach 10K $=1BTC in the near future.
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July 16, 2014, 07:05:30 PM
When does it release
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July 16, 2014, 06:59:09 PM
It's funny that you start attacking me and my personal character when I did NOTHING shady in this entire presale; I'm extremely clear about my desires and intentions.  I'm bringing-up a legitimate concern that HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET, even if btcdrak danced-around answering it previously with half-truths (which actually looks suspicious)

My preference isn't to sell my viacoins, that's not why I invested in the first place.  My preference is for btcdrak to put 2 simple statements on the record (probably take him about 50 seconds to type) and then we can all move on.

"I don't believe in psychology.  I believe in Good Moves."
~Bobby Fischer

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July 16, 2014, 06:36:53 PM
We need to get the "did you mean Viacom" out the google search results.. Lol
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July 16, 2014, 06:31:56 PM
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Name:   veritas77
Posts:   9
Activity:   8
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   Today at 04:11:13 PM

What is your main account name?
And dont just tell me, I want you to print it out, frame it and post it to me otherwise I won't believe you.
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July 16, 2014, 06:27:54 PM
Most of your logic is very weak.  Saying that "you'll be mining" doesn't imply that you won't also be participating in the ICO.

Secondly, I invested in this ICO way before it turned-into an absolute shit-show, and then I realized that these massive investments may not even be from outside sources, but rather from btcdrak himself (or a close friend, i.e. quid pro quo) as he can do this with ZERO risk.

In all of my life experience, when someone avoids making clear and simple statements, and instead they reassure people with half-truths, usually it's BC they're not being 100% honest and forthcoming.

I'm asking for 2 clear and simple Official Statements about 1)  btcdrak's personal investments in the presale  2)  btcdrak coordinating a quid pro quo investment with a friend.

Make me look stupid...be forthcoming and put the statements on record...call me paranoid and delusional, and then this will all be settled...but I won't stop until I get those 2 clear statements on the record.


(I'm also pissed that btcdrak said he already answered this twice, when in fact, he didn't!)

P.S.  According to most of you, 90% of proper business ethics and legal procedures are FUD...lol


  



@Veritas,  whats the problem man, to us all this is enough- if its not enough proof for you.  It's fine, you have options;  A) You can have someone buy your share of investment (Myself, Masternode, Primitive).  Or   B) You can stick around and let go of this worry.  

But you cant have it all- the investment and expect the type of answers you want.    If so, I suggest stocks at Nasdaq, they're up 9%.

And cheer up, refer to "options".  ; D
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July 16, 2014, 06:26:09 PM
Most of your logic is very weak.  Saying that "you'll be mining" doesn't imply that you won't also be participating in the ICO.

Secondly, I invested in this ICO way before it turned-into an absolute shit-show, and then I realized that these massive investments may not even be from outside sources, but rather from btcdrak himself (or a close friend, i.e. quid pro quo) as he can do this with ZERO risk.

In all of my life experience, when someone avoids making clear and simple statements, and instead they reassure people with half-truths, usually it's BC they're not being 100% honest and forthcoming.

I'm asking for 2 clear and simple Official Statements about 1)  btcdrak's personal investments in the presale  2)  btcdrak coordinating a quid pro quo investment with a friend.

Make me look stupid...be forthcoming and put the statements on record...call me paranoid and delusional, and then this will all be settled...but I won't stop until I get those 2 clear statements on the record.


(I'm also pissed that btcdrak said he already answered this twice, when in fact, he didn't!)

P.S.  According to most of you, 90% of proper business ethics and legal procedures are FUD...lol



I'll happily buy your coins (even if you're in the top 10).  PM me.
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July 16, 2014, 06:21:05 PM
Most of your logic is very weak.  Saying that "you'll be mining" doesn't imply that you won't also be participating in the ICO.

Secondly, I invested in this ICO way before it turned-into an absolute shit-show, and then I realized that these massive investments may not even be from outside sources, but rather from btcdrak himself (or a close friend, i.e. quid pro quo) as he can do this with ZERO risk.

In all of my life experience, when someone avoids making clear and simple statements, and instead they reassure people with half-truths, usually it's BC they're not being 100% honest and forthcoming.

I'm asking for 2 clear and simple Official Statements about 1)  btcdrak's personal investments in the presale  2)  btcdrak coordinating a quid pro quo investment with a friend.

Make me look stupid...be forthcoming and put the statements on record...call me paranoid and delusional, and then this will all be settled...but I won't stop until I get those 2 clear statements on the record.


(I'm also pissed that btcdrak said he already answered this twice, when in fact, he didn't!)

P.S.  According to most of you, 90% of proper business ethics and legal procedures are FUD...lol


  

sr. member
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July 16, 2014, 06:19:02 PM
Also, anyone else who may be worried and who wants to sell their Viacoin feel free to PM me as well.  I'm currently still buying.
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July 16, 2014, 06:14:39 PM

I happen to know btcdrak for more than 10 years and can honestly say that I have the highest regard for him on a personal, ethical and technical level. His word is good enough for me.

If you bought into the ICO, then presumably you understand the potential of this coin. So just be happy that you bought in and that you've probably made a good investment. There are of course no guarantees, but this coin has a solid developer who is not out to screw people over. I'm quite certain of that.

Now please stop sowing doubt. FUD has killed a good many coins and we don't need it happening here. The quoted statement above should be good enough for you. If it's not, then contact one of the people on this thread who have offered to buy your coins at ICO price and move on to (presumably) greener pastures.

Finding this post in this FUD brickload of a thread is like finding a needle in an ocean of piss and rotting garbage. Seriously, all of you need to grow the fuck up and figure out something better to do with your time other than start FUD needlessly. Being skeptic is okay, this isn't.
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July 16, 2014, 06:03:02 PM


I happen to know btcdrak for more than 10 years and can honestly say that I have the highest regard for him on a personal, ethical and technical level. His word is good enough for me.

If you bought into the ICO, then presumably you understand the potential of this coin. So just be happy that you bought in and that you've probably made a good investment. There are of course no guarantees, but this coin has a solid developer who is not out to screw people over. I'm quite certain of that.

Now please stop sowing doubt. FUD has killed a good many coins and we don't need it happening here. The quoted statement above should be good enough for you. If it's not, then contact one of the people on this thread who have offered to buy your coins at ICO price and move on to (presumably) greener pastures.

You are right.  
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July 16, 2014, 05:57:32 PM


I happen to know btcdrak for more than 10 years and can honestly say that I have the highest regard for him on a personal, ethical and technical level. His word is good enough for me.

If you bought into the ICO, then presumably you understand the potential of this coin. So just be happy that you bought in and that you've probably made a good investment. There are of course no guarantees, but this coin has a solid developer who is not out to screw people over. I'm quite certain of that.

Now please stop sowing doubt. FUD has killed a good many coins and we don't need it happening here. The quoted statement above should be good enough for you. If it's not, then contact one of the people on this thread who have offered to buy your coins at ICO price and move on to (presumably) greener pastures.

+10000
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July 16, 2014, 05:56:34 PM
@btcdrak  once I get an official statement about your presale involvement AND a statement about any quid pro quo involvement, I'll simply go-away...I promise there will be no "lying" accusations, etc.  I simply want a statement to go on the record, and then you'll hear from me no more.

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to be a pest until I get a statement.

I already made it twice earlier in the thread.


Quote from: chocobo on July 09, 2014, 06:11:24 PM
btcdrak, how much will you be buying? I trust you but it would be an easy way to get free coin if you wanted.

Thanks


btcdrak

That's a fair question and I have no way to prove my answer. I *totally* understand how skeptical people have become because of the daily scams on BCT.
Personally, the only presale I have participated in was Maidsafe and even that went terribly wrong despite their intentions. Anything can happen in crypto.

I am running this initial coin offering for a few reasons, the first is because I believe it is the best way to bootstrap a coin and the 'coin economy'.
As an experienced trader I know how coins get abused at launch and what whales are capable of. If you have ever read any of my pastebins, you'll have some
idea of this. As a developer I am aware of a myriad of ways to hide a premine and are a lot more easy than going through all the rigmarole of writing
dedicated presale software.

The second reason is I wanted bootstrap the project because frankly, I believe if it can't raise a decent sale value, then maybe it's not worth my time.
I've had this idea since October 2013 and for one reason or another I never got around to implementing it, and a lot of innovations have come along
in the meantime, but they still did not address my original concern. I am glad I waited however, because all good ideas should build on the shoulders
of proven innovations (which is exactly how Bitcoin came into being).

So my intention is to mine the coin and run a mining pool.

FWIW: I am also taking a lot of personal risk with this coin launch. It takes a long time to build reputation, and minutes to destroy.

Re posting for anyone in question.


I happen to know btcdrak for more than 10 years and can honestly say that I have the highest regard for him on a personal, ethical and technical level. His word is good enough for me.

If you bought into the ICO, then presumably you understand the potential of this coin. So just be happy that you bought in and that you've probably made a good investment. There are of course no guarantees, but this coin has a solid developer who is not out to screw people over. I'm quite certain of that.

Now please stop sowing doubt. FUD has killed a good many coins and we don't need it happening here. The quoted statement above should be good enough for you. If it's not, then contact one of the people on this thread who have offered to buy your coins at ICO price and move on to (presumably) greener pastures.

Very Wise words
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July 16, 2014, 05:52:37 PM
@btcdrak  once I get an official statement about your presale involvement AND a statement about any quid pro quo involvement, I'll simply go-away...I promise there will be no "lying" accusations, etc.  I simply want a statement to go on the record, and then you'll hear from me no more.

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to be a pest until I get a statement.

I already made it twice earlier in the thread.


Quote from: chocobo on July 09, 2014, 06:11:24 PM
btcdrak, how much will you be buying? I trust you but it would be an easy way to get free coin if you wanted.

Thanks


btcdrak

That's a fair question and I have no way to prove my answer. I *totally* understand how skeptical people have become because of the daily scams on BCT.
Personally, the only presale I have participated in was Maidsafe and even that went terribly wrong despite their intentions. Anything can happen in crypto.

I am running this initial coin offering for a few reasons, the first is because I believe it is the best way to bootstrap a coin and the 'coin economy'.
As an experienced trader I know how coins get abused at launch and what whales are capable of. If you have ever read any of my pastebins, you'll have some
idea of this. As a developer I am aware of a myriad of ways to hide a premine and are a lot more easy than going through all the rigmarole of writing
dedicated presale software.

The second reason is I wanted bootstrap the project because frankly, I believe if it can't raise a decent sale value, then maybe it's not worth my time.
I've had this idea since October 2013 and for one reason or another I never got around to implementing it, and a lot of innovations have come along
in the meantime, but they still did not address my original concern. I am glad I waited however, because all good ideas should build on the shoulders
of proven innovations (which is exactly how Bitcoin came into being).

So my intention is to mine the coin and run a mining pool.

FWIW: I am also taking a lot of personal risk with this coin launch. It takes a long time to build reputation, and minutes to destroy.

Re posting for anyone in question.


I happen to know btcdrak for more than 10 years and can honestly say that I have the highest regard for him on a personal, ethical and technical level. His word is good enough for me.

If you bought into the ICO, then presumably you understand the potential of this coin. So just be happy that you bought in and that you've probably made a good investment. There are of course no guarantees, but this coin has a solid developer who is not out to screw people over. I'm quite certain of that.

Now please stop sowing doubt. FUD has killed a good many coins and we don't need it happening here. The quoted statement above should be good enough for you. If it's not, then contact one of the people on this thread who have offered to buy your coins at ICO price and move on to (presumably) greener pastures.
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July 16, 2014, 05:50:20 PM
yeah im offline too.  maybe things are afoot!  (rubs hands together)


I think it'll be another 24h, before it launches.  I imagine @Btcdrak is checking and waking up fresh to double check before anything takes-off.
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July 16, 2014, 05:48:15 PM
yeah im offline too.  maybe things are afoot!  (rubs hands together)
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July 16, 2014, 05:46:44 PM
@btcdrak  once I get an official statement about your presale involvement AND a statement about any quid pro quo involvement, I'll simply go-away...I promise there will be no "lying" accusations, etc.  I simply want a statement to go on the record, and then you'll hear from me no more.

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to be a pest until I get a statement.

I already made it twice earlier in the thread.


Quote from: chocobo on July 09, 2014, 06:11:24 PM
btcdrak, how much will you be buying? I trust you but it would be an easy way to get free coin if you wanted.

Thanks


btcdrak

That's a fair question and I have no way to prove my answer. I *totally* understand how skeptical people have become because of the daily scams on BCT.
Personally, the only presale I have participated in was Maidsafe and even that went terribly wrong despite their intentions. Anything can happen in crypto.

I am running this initial coin offering for a few reasons, the first is because I believe it is the best way to bootstrap a coin and the 'coin economy'.
As an experienced trader I know how coins get abused at launch and what whales are capable of. If you have ever read any of my pastebins, you'll have some
idea of this. As a developer I am aware of a myriad of ways to hide a premine and are a lot more easy than going through all the rigmarole of writing
dedicated presale software.

The second reason is I wanted bootstrap the project because frankly, I believe if it can't raise a decent sale value, then maybe it's not worth my time.
I've had this idea since October 2013 and for one reason or another I never got around to implementing it, and a lot of innovations have come along
in the meantime, but they still did not address my original concern. I am glad I waited however, because all good ideas should build on the shoulders
of proven innovations (which is exactly how Bitcoin came into being).

So my intention is to mine the coin and run a mining pool.

FWIW: I am also taking a lot of personal risk with this coin launch. It takes a long time to build reputation, and minutes to destroy.

Re posting for anyone in question.
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July 16, 2014, 05:45:57 PM
Thanks, glad its not just my connection Smiley
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July 16, 2014, 05:45:02 PM
Vialectrum offline for everyone?

Yes,
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