Topic: [PRE-SALE][ICO] Petro $PTR - Oil backed crypto currency launched by Venezuela - page 39. (Read 28472 times)

Quote from: apelopus on April 22, 2018, 02:34:44 PM

Quote from: jgaltt on April 22, 2018, 04:01:06 PM

Why don't we talk about Venezuela's and Syria's "internal" problems; petroleum; President Maduro emitting the Petro and President Trump condemning it? Why do Venezuela and the Petro have so many detractors? Is there a connection between these topics?

Just a little connection...

As far as I can see, there is a strong bond between El Petro and NEM, whereas it seems quite logical to assume that NEM is connected directly to Kremlin. Have you heard about the fact that NEM’s authorities went for sauna in Moscow accompanied by Russian officials? In this case resignation of NEM’s executives might be the consequence of them being tied up with Maduro and Putin’s regimes.

Maybe they went for sauna in Caracas, too. NEM's representative in Venezuela during the NEM global tour was a Russian guy Misha Granin. Check out his insta https://www.instagram.com/p/BegoeFugCZ_/
" Venezuela makes sure that you smile". Well, I hope Venezuelans smile at a pathetic attempt of their government to fraud them with all the El Petro bullshit

Well, actually, they don’t. Venezuelans either condemn that crypto or support it, just like their current president. Too bad some people don’t connect the dots

Luckily, Maduro's regime resulted in that most people can't even afford being frauded))))

And it’s all thanks to the supporters of El Petro, they are so dumb that just cannot stop funding his rogue and corrupted government. Really, it’s hilarious how Maduro says that El Petro got 5 billion dollars in first week, without even telling a word about investors. And this crypto is also based on NEM blockchain that’s been hacked and absolute shit

Based on Nem? U serious? No person or no government even as desperate and ignorant as Maduro's would base it's crypto on Nem shitchain. Nem is pure market failure. They say that Cryptocurrency is safe and all transactions is transparent but not Nem. I mean, what other block chain stores it's funds in "hot wallets"? No business wants to collaborate with them or be associated in any way possible.

Here’s what I’ve found on CoinDesk: “Aero Trading won a contract from the Venezuelan government to build the petro on the NEM blockchain and market the token internationally. Aero Trading is based in Uruguay and run by a Russian businessman who, according to his biography website, represents companies from Russia and other former Soviet Union countries doing business in Latin America.Aero's website has nothing more than a facing page and its Twitter account as of March 23 had only three tweets which it posted right after the petro pre-sale began. At the start of the pre-sale”

I read that it was based on ethereum but it doesn't change fact that it is fake crypto

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Quote from: apelopus on April 22, 2018, 03:40:02 PM

Quote from: STT on March 27, 2018, 11:50:57 AM

Spotted this article calling out some basic mistake on amount raised. Anyone else seen the $5bn claim stated ?

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According to the whitepaper on the official site of the initiative, exactly 38,400,000 tokens were on offer worth $ 60 each token (not counting the discount of 60% announced by the government during this phase). Crunching the numbers, the maximum the government could raise would be $ 2.304 billion, not counting the discount. If Maduro tells the truth in his announcement, he does not tell the truth in the official document of the project and in all previous announcements made by the president himself. After all, according to a new statement released, all tokens were sold at 46% off the officially amount announced (not counting the discounts).

https://www.ccn.com/venezuelas-president-false-information-petro/

Also interesting is the alleged link between Russia and Venezuela which this Petro to be used as a trade between the two. In a way thats bullish because it gives a large backer and future user, though Russia has plenty oil of its own where as China does not.

Yup, but China is now withdrawing its cash from Venezuela and have already curtailed credit to Venezuela due to recurrent payment delays, while Russia is just seeking friendship with yet another dictator. Russia is expanding operations with Venezuela and cretid lines. In fact, Russia eagerly supports El Petro as it is a means of testing new financial instruments for money laundering schemes. Crimean Cryptocurrency or whatever Russian rakib is working on is gonna be El Petro's little brother lol

Well, there are some shadowy figures around El Petro, and of course Russian businessmen who are most likely to be unofficial representatives of Russian government, like Michael Granin from Cheboksari or whatever city it is

Cheboksari... Sounds like Japanese bad words Grin

jokes apart, I heard that this guy was Nem representative, so is than NEM some kinda Kremlin affiliated organization or what?

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Quote from: kriptokraker on April 22, 2018, 04:11:54 PM

Quote from: aviven on April 22, 2018, 03:23:08 PM

Quote from: apelopus on April 22, 2018, 03:08:06 PM

Quote from: apelopus on April 22, 2018, 02:34:44 PM

Quote from: aviven on April 22, 2018, 03:23:08 PM

Why don't we talk about Venezuela's and Syria's "internal" problems; petroleum; President Maduro emitting the Petro and President Trump condemning it? Why do Venezuela and the Petro have so many detractors? Is there a connection between these topics?

Just a little connection...

As far as I can see, there is a strong bond between El Petro and NEM, whereas it seems quite logical to assume that NEM is connected directly to Kremlin. Have you heard about the fact that NEM’s authorities went for sauna in Moscow accompanied by Russian officials? In this case resignation of NEM’s executives might be the consequence of them being tied up with Maduro and Putin’s regimes.

Maybe they went for sauna in Caracas, too. NEM's representative in Venezuela during the NEM global tour was a Russian guy Misha Granin. Check out his insta https://www.instagram.com/p/BegoeFugCZ_/
" Venezuela makes sure that you smile". Well, I hope Venezuelans smile at a pathetic attempt of their government to fraud them with all the El Petro bullshit

Well, actually, they don’t. Venezuelans either condemn that crypto or support it, just like their current president. Too bad some people don’t connect the dots

Luckily, Maduro's regime resulted in that most people can't even afford being frauded))))

And it’s all thanks to the supporters of El Petro, they are so dumb that just cannot stop funding his rogue and corrupted government. Really, it’s hilarious how Maduro says that El Petro got 5 billion dollars in first week, without even telling a word about investors. And this crypto is also based on NEM blockchain that’s been hacked and absolute shit

Based on Nem? U serious? No person or no government even as desperate and ignorant as Maduro's would base it's crypto on Nem shitchain. Nem is pure market failure. They say that Cryptocurrency is safe and all transactions is transparent but not Nem. I mean, what other block chain stores it's funds in "hot wallets"? No business wants to collaborate with them or be associated in any way possible.

Here’s what I’ve found on CoinDesk: “Aero Trading won a contract from the Venezuelan government to build the petro on the NEM blockchain and market the token internationally. Aero Trading is based in Uruguay and run by a Russian businessman who, according to his biography website, represents companies from Russia and other former Soviet Union countries doing business in Latin America.Aero's website has nothing more than a facing page and its Twitter account as of March 23 had only three tweets which it posted right after the petro pre-sale began. At the start of the pre-sale”

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Quote from: apelopus on April 22, 2018, 03:08:06 PM

Quote from: apelopus on April 22, 2018, 02:34:44 PM

Quote from: apelopus on April 22, 2018, 03:40:02 PM

Why don't we talk about Venezuela's and Syria's "internal" problems; petroleum; President Maduro emitting the Petro and President Trump condemning it? Why do Venezuela and the Petro have so many detractors? Is there a connection between these topics?

Just a little connection...

As far as I can see, there is a strong bond between El Petro and NEM, whereas it seems quite logical to assume that NEM is connected directly to Kremlin. Have you heard about the fact that NEM’s authorities went for sauna in Moscow accompanied by Russian officials? In this case resignation of NEM’s executives might be the consequence of them being tied up with Maduro and Putin’s regimes.

Maybe they went for sauna in Caracas, too. NEM's representative in Venezuela during the NEM global tour was a Russian guy Misha Granin. Check out his insta https://www.instagram.com/p/BegoeFugCZ_/
" Venezuela makes sure that you smile". Well, I hope Venezuelans smile at a pathetic attempt of their government to fraud them with all the El Petro bullshit

Well, actually, they don’t. Venezuelans either condemn that crypto or support it, just like their current president. Too bad some people don’t connect the dots

Luckily, Maduro's regime resulted in that most people can't even afford being frauded))))

And it’s all thanks to the supporters of El Petro, they are so dumb that just cannot stop funding his rogue and corrupted government. Really, it’s hilarious how Maduro says that El Petro got 5 billion dollars in first week, without even telling a word about investors. And this crypto is also based on NEM blockchain that’s been hacked and absolute shit

Based on Nem? U serious? No person or no government even as desperate and ignorant as Maduro's would base it's crypto on Nem shitchain. Nem is pure market failure. They say that Cryptocurrency is safe and all transactions is transparent but not Nem. I mean, what other block chain stores it's funds in "hot wallets"? No business wants to collaborate with them or be associated in any way possible.

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Quote from: STT on March 27, 2018, 11:50:57 AM

Spotted this article calling out some basic mistake on amount raised. Anyone else seen the $5bn claim stated ?

Quote

According to the whitepaper on the official site of the initiative, exactly 38,400,000 tokens were on offer worth $ 60 each token (not counting the discount of 60% announced by the government during this phase). Crunching the numbers, the maximum the government could raise would be $ 2.304 billion, not counting the discount. If Maduro tells the truth in his announcement, he does not tell the truth in the official document of the project and in all previous announcements made by the president himself. After all, according to a new statement released, all tokens were sold at 46% off the officially amount announced (not counting the discounts).

https://www.ccn.com/venezuelas-president-false-information-petro/

Also interesting is the alleged link between Russia and Venezuela which this Petro to be used as a trade between the two. In a way thats bullish because it gives a large backer and future user, though Russia has plenty oil of its own where as China does not.

Yup, but China is now withdrawing its cash from Venezuela and have already curtailed credit to Venezuela due to recurrent payment delays, while Russia is just seeking friendship with yet another dictator. Russia is expanding operations with Venezuela and cretid lines. In fact, Russia eagerly supports El Petro as it is a means of testing new financial instruments for money laundering schemes. Crimean Cryptocurrency or whatever Russian rakib is working on is gonna be El Petro's little brother lol

Well, there are some shadowy figures around El Petro, and of course Russian businessmen who are most likely to be unofficial representatives of Russian government, like Michael Granin from Cheboksari or whatever city it is

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Quote from: STT on March 27, 2018, 11:50:57 AM

Spotted this article calling out some basic mistake on amount raised. Anyone else seen the $5bn claim stated ?

Quote

According to the whitepaper on the official site of the initiative, exactly 38,400,000 tokens were on offer worth $ 60 each token (not counting the discount of 60% announced by the government during this phase). Crunching the numbers, the maximum the government could raise would be $ 2.304 billion, not counting the discount. If Maduro tells the truth in his announcement, he does not tell the truth in the official document of the project and in all previous announcements made by the president himself. After all, according to a new statement released, all tokens were sold at 46% off the officially amount announced (not counting the discounts).

https://www.ccn.com/venezuelas-president-false-information-petro/

Also interesting is the alleged link between Russia and Venezuela which this Petro to be used as a trade between the two. In a way thats bullish because it gives a large backer and future user, though Russia has plenty oil of its own where as China does not.

Yup, but China is now withdrawing its cash from Venezuela and have already curtailed credit to Venezuela due to recurrent payment delays, while Russia is just seeking friendship with yet another dictator. Russia is expanding operations with Venezuela and cretid lines. In fact, Russia eagerly supports El Petro as it is a means of testing new financial instruments for money laundering schemes. Crimean Cryptocurrency or whatever Russian rakib is working on is gonna be El Petro's little brother lol

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Quote from: apelopus on April 22, 2018, 03:08:06 PM

Quote from: apelopus on April 22, 2018, 02:34:44 PM

Why don't we talk about Venezuela's and Syria's "internal" problems; petroleum; President Maduro emitting the Petro and President Trump condemning it? Why do Venezuela and the Petro have so many detractors? Is there a connection between these topics?

Just a little connection...

As far as I can see, there is a strong bond between El Petro and NEM, whereas it seems quite logical to assume that NEM is connected directly to Kremlin. Have you heard about the fact that NEM’s authorities went for sauna in Moscow accompanied by Russian officials? In this case resignation of NEM’s executives might be the consequence of them being tied up with Maduro and Putin’s regimes.

Maybe they went for sauna in Caracas, too. NEM's representative in Venezuela during the NEM global tour was a Russian guy Misha Granin. Check out his insta https://www.instagram.com/p/BegoeFugCZ_/
" Venezuela makes sure that you smile". Well, I hope Venezuelans smile at a pathetic attempt of their government to fraud them with all the El Petro bullshit

Well, actually, they don’t. Venezuelans either condemn that crypto or support it, just like their current president. Too bad some people don’t connect the dots

Luckily, Maduro's regime resulted in that most people can't even afford being frauded))))

And it’s all thanks to the supporters of El Petro, they are so dumb that just cannot stop funding his rogue and corrupted government. Really, it’s hilarious how Maduro says that El Petro got 5 billion dollars in first week, without even telling a word about investors. And this crypto is also based on NEM blockchain that’s been hacked and absolute shit

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Quote from: apelopus on April 22, 2018, 02:34:44 PM

Quote from: apelopus on April 22, 2018, 02:34:44 PM

Why don't we talk about Venezuela's and Syria's "internal" problems; petroleum; President Maduro emitting the Petro and President Trump condemning it? Why do Venezuela and the Petro have so many detractors? Is there a connection between these topics?

Just a little connection...

As far as I can see, there is a strong bond between El Petro and NEM, whereas it seems quite logical to assume that NEM is connected directly to Kremlin. Have you heard about the fact that NEM’s authorities went for sauna in Moscow accompanied by Russian officials? In this case resignation of NEM’s executives might be the consequence of them being tied up with Maduro and Putin’s regimes.

Maybe they went for sauna in Caracas, too. NEM's representative in Venezuela during the NEM global tour was a Russian guy Misha Granin. Check out his insta https://www.instagram.com/p/BegoeFugCZ_/
" Venezuela makes sure that you smile". Well, I hope Venezuelans smile at a pathetic attempt of their government to fraud them with all the El Petro bullshit

Well, actually, they don’t. Venezuelans either condemn that crypto or support it, just like their current president. Too bad some people don’t connect the dots

Luckily, Maduro's regime resulted in that most people can't even afford being frauded))))

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I didn't mean to offend those who've already invested in El Petro, but come on. One might assume that a Cryptocurrency backed by resources such as oil will have a more stable price and lesses volatility, HOWEVER, there're many implications. With such a heavily indebted oil industry, which is, frankly speaking, on the verge of collapse, what oil products can petros be exchanged for? What kind of real backing they have?
The concept of El Petro is not bad, but it's by no means a solution, it's a mere splurge

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Why don't we talk about Venezuela's and Syria's "internal" problems; petroleum; President Maduro emitting the Petro and President Trump condemning it? Why do Venezuela and the Petro have so many detractors? Is there a connection between these topics?

Just a little connection...

As far as I can see, there is a strong bond between El Petro and NEM, whereas it seems quite logical to assume that NEM is connected directly to Kremlin. Have you heard about the fact that NEM’s authorities went for sauna in Moscow accompanied by Russian officials? In this case resignation of NEM’s executives might be the consequence of them being tied up with Maduro and Putin’s regimes.

Maybe they went for sauna in Caracas, too. NEM's representative in Venezuela during the NEM global tour was a Russian guy Misha Granin. Check out his insta https://www.instagram.com/p/BegoeFugCZ_/
" Venezuela makes sure that you smile". Well, I hope Venezuelans smile at a pathetic attempt of their government to fraud them with all the El Petro bullshit

Well, actually, they don’t. Venezuelans either condemn that crypto or support it, just like their current president. Too bad some people don’t connect the dots

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Quote from: cryptoviagra on April 21, 2018, 04:54:42 PM

Why don't we talk about Venezuela's and Syria's "internal" problems; petroleum; President Maduro emitting the Petro and President Trump condemning it? Why do Venezuela and the Petro have so many detractors? Is there a connection between these topics?

Just a little connection...

As far as I can see, there is a strong bond between El Petro and NEM, whereas it seems quite logical to assume that NEM is connected directly to Kremlin. Have you heard about the fact that NEM’s authorities went for sauna in Moscow accompanied by Russian officials? In this case resignation of NEM’s executives might be the consequence of them being tied up with Maduro and Putin’s regimes.

Maybe they went for sauna in Caracas, too. NEM's representative in Venezuela during the NEM global tour was a Russian guy Misha Granin. Check out his insta https://www.instagram.com/p/BegoeFugCZ_/
" Venezuela makes sure that you smile". Well, I hope Venezuelans smile at a pathetic attempt of their government to fraud them with all the El Petro bullshit

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Dude you are always getting mad when I talk about your beloved government, you are the one who is pathetic you can never recognize when the Maduro government is wrong, they never respected the whitepaper so just stop it, I know you read me all the time and you see that I am most of the time well informed let me add I am even better informed than you are , I invested in Petro because I believed the government was serious about the Petro, I can confirm that they are not it's just a trial to them...Instead of insulting people come with facts and if you have valuable infos defending my accusations expose them, you are such a kiss ass when it comes to Venezuela government...

Tell me when the pre sale was officially concluded and when the public sale started ? Nobody knows dummy...

Basic conditions
Pre - Sell
Initial Offer
INITIAL OFFER OF THE CRYPTOASSET
Total emission: 100.000.000
Tokens available: 38.400.000
Reference Selling Price: USD 6026,27
Start date and time: February 20, 2018 at 08:30 a.m. (Venezuela time, -04:00 GMT).
Closure date and time: March 19, 2018 at 23:59:59 p.m. (Venezuela time, -04:00 GMT).
Total Petro available for sale: 44,000,000
Reference Selling Price: USD 60*
Start date and time: March 20, 2018 at 08:30 a.m. (Venezuela time, -04:00 GMT)
Closure date and time: Until the Petros of the first emission are exhausted

That opacity in government’s action might be due to the fact that real numbers differ dramatically from the official forecast, and when it comes out, it might have a bad influence on Venezuelan presidential Election in May.

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