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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on July 19, 2024, 03:14:33 PM

Quote from: emrecemsan on July 19, 2024, 08:51:53 AM

Pochettino had a really good relationship with Palmer indeed. Palmer thanked him for the opportunity by making a huge contribution.

I can't believe how Southgate didn't select Palmer for the starting 11 during Euro 2024 even for once... Sad

I don't think I've heard any player fighting with Mauricio Pochetino even from way back his days with Tottenham Hotspur. Cole Palmer was great, and all he cared about was scoring goals and playing cool football.

Some coaches are like that, I don't want to say more about Gareth Southgate. He has never been that manager they think he is or would be. It's a good thing to see that he finally resigned. That's the perfect call to make. They had a good squad but they parked the bus against countries they could have obviously attacked and choked them up.

Palmer also does not have much experience playing at the national team level. The Blues striker has only started playing regularly in the first team since joining Chelsea last September. Before that, he often sat on the bench at Manchester City and had few opportunities to play. Although he has made great strides in his career, his lack of international competition experience is still a major limitation. You can't blame Southgate. It was not easy for Palmer to break into the official squad even though he had a great season with Pochettino.

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Now Enzo Maresca has taken over at Chelsea so I hope he continues to do his best for the development of the young players just as Pochettino did.

We don't know much about Enzo Maresca. All I know is that he won the championship for Leicester City last season, but then, the Premier League Competition is much different. Something Chelsea didn't give Mauricio Pochetino was freedom and time. Hopefully, this would be a much different case scenario.

Chelsea must see something positive and promising in this young strategist. In theory, Enzo Maresca can coach Chelsea's group of promising players, but what he needs to be wary of is that the pressure in the Premier League, especially from the media, is much more terrible than in the Championship. Enzo Maresca needs to look at his predecessor's difficulties to find solutions for himself.

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Quote from: knowngunman on July 20, 2024, 07:06:35 AM

Concerning Liverpool lose yesterday, it’s important to note that Preston were playing their fourth friendly match and were less experimental but for Liverpool, it was a behind closed door training session. I see the game as an opportunity for Arne Slot to have idea of where he may need to strengthen and see where their fitness is. At least, it’s a wake up call him to sit up and train his boys very well.

Mistakes in carrying out a series of trials during pre-season have become commonplace for every club, so when you see Liverpool's defeat in training yesterday, at least it can benefit Arne Slot so that he can find out the weaknesses of his teammates in several trial matches, when Arne Slot finds out The club's weakness is that it is certainly ready to look for players who fit the criteria the squad wants. If you look for players haphazardly then it will be difficult to form a solid squad.

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on July 20, 2024, 06:17:43 AM

I haven't seen critics here talking about this game lol. I don't have high expectations with pre season games, one could still have a hundred percent win during the pre-season and fumbles when the Premier League Competition kicks off. I can recall vividly, but a couple few did last season.
Arne Slot should challenge the Liverpool board honestly, I don't know what's going on with transfers. If you take a good look at his defenders, he'll face a whole lot of work next season, if no improvements or developed players are brought into the club.

Lol! I know what you’re trying to say as a United fan probably. Chelsea was the first club to come my mind when you said it is possible to have a hundred percent success in preseason and fumble when season starts. During last year, Chelsea did not record a single lose but it was entirely a different story when league started until the end of the season when they attempted to turn things around but it was too late.

Concerning Liverpool lose yesterday, it’s important to note that Preston were playing their fourth friendly match and were less experimental but for Liverpool, it was a behind closed door training session. I see the game as an opportunity for Arne Slot to have idea of where he may need to strengthen and see where their fitness is. At least, it’s a wake up call him to sit up and train his boys very well.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on July 19, 2024, 06:47:33 PM

I know this is just a friendly match, just for practice and a test event, with 25 players playing, to get playing time. It's just that losing to Preston North End is something that... ummm, I'm even very unfamiliar with this name. But indeed, the players don't seem to be that serious about playing it, just as practice and testing tactics.

Just this is Arne Slot's debut with Liverpool this season. It's funny. Yes, of course there are many things that slots note from this, apart from how the squad looks in the match, which definitely doesn't show off their most skills.

I haven't seen critics here talking about this game lol. I don't have high expectations with pre season games, one could still have a hundred percent win during the pre-season and fumbles when the Premier League Competition kicks off. I can recall vividly, but a couple few did last season.
Arne Slot should challenge the Liverpool board honestly, I don't know what's going on with transfers. If you take a good look at his defenders, he'll face a whole lot of work next season, if no improvements or developed players are brought into the club.

I have seen comments about Aaron Wan Bisakka, he is a great defender, I love him, I can bet the fans do too, but do you know what? If Manchester United wants to win the Premier League Competition, they cannot do that will a right fullback like Aaron Wan Bisakka truthfully.

Most Manchester United fans are like "Don't sell him this and that, he was our best defender last season" I don't like that God knows, when you look at the right fullbacks of Manchester City and Liverpool when they won the Premier League Competition, you'll know that Aaron Wan Bisakka cannot win Manchester United the premier or not even a good competition for Dalot he needs to leave fully.

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Quote from: iBaba on July 18, 2024, 03:45:08 PM

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Enzo Maresca has a big responsibility waiting for him. This is his first time ever managing a top tier club in Europe.

He was Guardiola's assistant coach in the 2022/23 season and lifted a Championship trophy only a season after it.

Guardiola has said good things about him as far as I know also. Enzo Maresca has a really good reference because of that. Wink

This is why the expectations might be a little bigger than normal but I hope the chairman won't go harsh on him.

I wanna really experience how this season is going to play out between the Maresca club and that of Guardiola. In fact Maresca now has a lot of responsibilities in his shoulder which includes being able to face and defeat his one time boss as well as other highly experienced coaches and being able to use the team available to him to challenge other top tier clubs in the English Premier League won't be a little competition for him.

That's what i have been waiting for. Maresca is also holding Pep's blue print, and he has ever worked with him together. The fight between these baldy coaches will be very interesting to watch. Pep's good review about Maresca can be trusted. They were on the same club as coach and assistant manager.

Being a coach at a big club has lots of pressure. But, I think Maresca can handle it. Watching him in Chelsea's training sessions made me feel that the Blues squad will play better under him. But, let's give Maresca time to build chemistry with his new club now.

One season is not enough for him. Hopefully, Chelsea can compete for the title again next season and fight against City.

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Quote from: X-ray on July 17, 2024, 10:47:30 PM

Quote from: emrecemsan on July 17, 2024, 07:58:51 AM

Jackson is still not good enough. I don't think he should be their main striker because of that. Sad

We have only jackson as the best striker in Chelsea as for now.

Again, Cole Palmer is not considered Huh

He is also the best striker that Chelsea currently has, he even contributed the most last season compared to Jackson.
Check the statistics below:

Nicolas Jackson

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Nicolas Jackson contribution

In my opinion, both of them are the best strikers Chelsea have at the moment so they don't need to recruit another striker because they already have it would just be a waste of their money so Chelsea just need to believe in these two players to be on the front line, they have to be able to work together and maintain their good performance next season.

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Quote from: CLS63 on July 18, 2024, 06:10:35 PM

Arsenal have been trying hard for the last a few years to get that championship finally. They have fought hard for a long time but failed in the last moments all the time. Arteta is a great manager and he is pushing the potential of his team to its limit. It isn't an easy task to defeat Guardiola's team for a Premier League trophy. But it isn't an impossible task at the same time. I think we are going to watch a competitive Arsenal once again next season.

I’m recent years, we’ve seen that Arsenal have been on the course to win the EPL title. If how far they have shown their capabilities, I just want them to win and win big this season. Arteta and Edu should bring in quality signings so they can mount a proper assault on the EPL title.They know for sure that they need signings. Manchester City have a lot of experienced players and it has an impact on their mentality when it comes to winning titles. Arsenal are few players away from reaching the level they want. They will work and get things done but I’m not positive we will start the season well because the planning doesn’t look good. They will be going into pre-season. Players like bukayo Saka and Declan Rice will most likely not be at the top level when the season starts. Winger and Midfielder are key areas they need to strengthen and this was a known fact.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on July 19, 2024, 05:41:00 PM

Liverpool played their first game against Preston North End — a championship team and lost. It was played behind closed doors and although not all the Liverpool first team players were present for the game with the exception of Salah, Szoboslai, Elliot and Jones. They still lost. I

I just watched the highlight, but i don't like the way liverpool played in this game. Liverpool wasn't looked decent in this game. I saw in terms of combinations for attack, and liverpool played a different'y under Arne Slot. I saw Liverpool play a possession style. This was different from the more vertical style that Klopp played. Liverpool had fewer counter attacks. This is unlike when they were still managed by Klopp. It seems liverpool has been leaving from Klopp's philosophy. They played more short passes. Their attack was more central.

In sum, I don't like Slot's ball focusing more on short passes. I think Slot made Liverpool lose its special ability. Now, the team focuses more on the short pass instead of direct counter attack. This is because of that, Liverpool loses its power.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on July 19, 2024, 05:41:00 PM

Liverpool played their first game against Preston North End — a championship team and lost. It was played behind closed doors and although not all the Liverpool first team players were present for the game with the exception of Salah, Szoboslai, Elliot and Jones. They still lost. I know it's still too early to say so I still have my fingers crossed for Liverpool's performance when the premier league officially kicks off next month. Just surprised that nobody talked about it on this thread. Maybe because it was played behind closed doors?

I know this is just a friendly match, just for practice and a test event, with 25 players playing, to get playing time. It's just that losing to Preston North End is something that... ummm, I'm even very unfamiliar with this name. But indeed, the players don't seem to be that serious about playing it, just as practice and testing tactics.

Just this is Arne Slot's debut with Liverpool this season. It's funny. Yes, of course there are many things that slots note from this, apart from how the squad looks in the match, which definitely doesn't show off their most skills.

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Liverpool played their first game against Preston North End — a championship team and lost. It was played behind closed doors and although not all the Liverpool first team players were present for the game with the exception of Salah, Szoboslai, Elliot and Jones. They still lost. I know it's still too early to say so I still have my fingers crossed for Liverpool's performance when the premier league officially kicks off next month. Just surprised that nobody talked about it on this thread. Maybe because it was played behind closed doors?

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Quote from: hahay on July 19, 2024, 02:55:58 PM

Quote from: el kaka22 on July 19, 2024, 10:48:09 AM

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But I think Manchester United and Chelsea are two elite teams that are still equally difficult to get good results, so I can't distinguish the success of these two teams in recent seasons. After all, if for example Manchester United failed to win the FA Cup trophy too, the reality is that Chelsea managed to get a Europa League ticket. But yes, because Manchester United managed to get the FA Cup trophy by beating Manchester City, then Manchester United won the Europa League ticket next season.

But anyway, I think Chelsea and Manchester United are also still both building teams with their young squad. And thus, then of course they still need a long process to get good results with a young squad and new ownership. But unfortunately, Chelsea is very too hasty in buying players and also firing coaches and thus, it will still be difficult for them to get the results as expected.

I understand your view, and I agree with you. The truth remains that both Manchester United and Chelsea are in transition phases with young squads, thus consistency in performance may be a challenge. Despite Manchester United's success in winning the FA Cup trophy and securing a Europa League spot by defeating Manchester City, Chelsea also ensured their participation in the Europa League. This situation calls for deeper consideration and analysis beyond the surface.

But Chelsea's impatience with player purchases and coach firings could stymie their team-building efforts. Both squads are young, still finding their feet, as is the case with new ownerships. However both teams have yet to discover their potential although what they might aspire to is stability and success in future.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on July 19, 2024, 01:06:36 PM

Quote from: el kaka22 on July 19, 2024, 10:48:09 AM

Pochettino knows that he is going to be forced to just develop the team gradually, one by one, step by step. But the owner is spending so much money on the team so he wants some results right away. In football world you do not get results right away, that is just not how it works at all, you do not end up with good players and good situations all the time, you just end up with getting better with time.

Pochettino? He has already got sacked by Todd Boehly my friend.

Enzo Maresca is in charge from now on as many people have been discussing about it as well.

Other than that, I would agree with you on the way Boehly treated Pochettino. It was completely wrong while the team were getting better slowly. Especially the final weeks of the previous season was giving a really good level of hope. But what did Boehly do? He sacked Pochettino anyway... Some chairmans are really difficult to understand. Like I said before, they should be patient and observe the development process.

Any one who understands football really well will see a huge lash sacking Pochettino at that moment even if he never had quite a wonderful season as expected but it was just a season and majority felt he needed more time than he got and no doubt he would have took the team to more success. Still unknown how Enzo might perform, we hope the best for him that he succeeds because any unsuccessful trait from him will end him same way as Pochettino.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on July 19, 2024, 08:51:53 AM

Pochettino had a really good relationship with Palmer indeed. Palmer thanked him for the opportunity by making a huge contribution.

I can't believe how Southgate didn't select Palmer for the starting 11 during Euro 2024 even for once... Sad

Now Enzo Maresca has taken over at Chelsea so I hope he continues to do his best for the development of the young players just as Pochettino did.

I don't think I've heard any player fighting with Mauricio Pochetino even from way back his days with Tottenham Hotspur. Cole Palmer was great, and all he cared about was scoring goals and playing cool football.

Some coaches are like that, I don't want to say more about Gareth Southgate. He has never been that manager they think he is or would be. It's a good thing to see that he finally resigned. That's the perfect call to make. They had a good squad but they parked the bus against countries they could have obviously attacked and choked them up.

We don't know much about Enzo Maresca. All I know is that he won the championship for Leicester City last season, but then, the Premier League Competition is much different. Something Chelsea didn't give Mauricio Pochetino was freedom and time. Hopefully, this would be a much different case scenario.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on July 19, 2024, 10:48:09 AM

Pochettino knows that he is going to be forced to just develop the team gradually, one by one, step by step. But the owner is spending so much money on the team so he wants some results right away. In football world you do not get results right away, that is just not how it works at all, you do not end up with good players and good situations all the time, you just end up with getting better with time.

But, the owner is some rich American, of course he doesn't understand how it works. In their world, they could spend money to some sign stars at Free Agency and then be a good team, so he looks at how much players at America makes, and how much they are spending on transfers here, and he thinks that they should have some awesome team.

In football that is not how it works at all, that is why I prefer INEOS approach, they are spending more clearly and cleverly now, and that means that we are going to see United do much better than Chelsea. Both were taken over by their owners around the same time give or take, but United has done better because they know it will take some time, so they focus on great young players that have good potential to help them on the long run to gradually become better.

But I think Manchester United and Chelsea are two elite teams that are still equally difficult to get good results, so I can't distinguish the success of these two teams in recent seasons. After all, if for example Manchester United failed to win the FA Cup trophy too, the reality is that Chelsea managed to get a Europa League ticket. But yes, because Manchester United managed to get the FA Cup trophy by beating Manchester City, then Manchester United won the Europa League ticket next season.

But anyway, I think Chelsea and Manchester United are also still both building teams with their young squad. And thus, then of course they still need a long process to get good results with a young squad and new ownership. But unfortunately, Chelsea is very too hasty in buying players and also firing coaches and thus, it will still be difficult for them to get the results as expected.

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Quote from: SmartCharpa on July 18, 2024, 11:34:01 PM

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Pochettino has struggled with injuries to key Chelsea players for much of the season, But his people management and tactical skills were proven through the team's strong end-of-season finish. And a late revival cannot save Pochettino's hot seat. Despite finishing in sixth place.

I'm not sure if he had a problem with the club that caused him to leave or the management to fire him, but I always think they're wrong to make such decisions. Pochettino rebuilt these players, which was not an easy task, he built them in one season, and we see the changes in their games at the end of the season. If they hadn't finished in the sixth position, I would have believed they made the right decision to fire him. I think Pochettino deserves much from the club.

From the time Chelsea started experiencing all this problem and they started changing their coaches until they got Pochettino instead they should leave him they fired him and I think Pochettino is the best coach they bring him since that time I always imagine why they did not leave him for some time to change the club more than he did for just small time he spent managing the club I don’t think Chelsea will do that anytime soon because Pochettino started bring good results for them.

But they later fire him at the end of the day, which is what they were not supposed to do. The manager really tried, but now that they brought him in, they need to start another strategy of play again, and their performance will go back again. It will not be the Pochettino who leaves them definitively because the new manager will bring in new methods of how he plays his matches, which is another problem for the Chelsea squad.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on July 19, 2024, 01:06:36 PM

Quote from: el kaka22 on July 19, 2024, 10:48:09 AM

Pochettino knows that he is going to be forced to just develop the team gradually, one by one, step by step. But the owner is spending so much money on the team so he wants some results right away. In football world you do not get results right away, that is just not how it works at all, you do not end up with good players and good situations all the time, you just end up with getting better with time.

Pochettino? He has already got sacked by Todd Boehly my friend.

Enzo Maresca is in charge from now on as many people have been discussing about it as well.

Other than that, I would agree with you on the way Boehly treated Pochettino. It was completely wrong while the team were getting better slowly. Especially the final weeks of the previous season was giving a really good level of hope. But what did Boehly do? He sacked Pochettino anyway... Some chairmans are really difficult to understand. Like I said before, they should be patient and observe the development process.

Pochettino dismissal raises a lot of questions after he was gradually able to bring Chelsea on the right track at the end of last season, from several issues circulating, actually Pochettino dismissal was not related to Chelsea performance at the end season, but reportedly the dismissal was none other than because Pochettino desire to determine the player he would recruit, but Todd Boehly actually refused to comply with Pochettino equest and finally fired Pochettino on the grounds failed to bring Chelsea to the Champions League zone, so far I see that Todd Boehly has more monopoly on player recruitment and that makes the coach can only accept every decision of what Todd Boehly is doing at the moment, but on the other hand, I see what Todd Boehly is doing at the moment is very extraordinary to prioritize recruit young players to their squad now, But as you say, by recruiting and developing young players, Todd Boehly should be able to be more patient and also give plenty of time for Enzo Maresca to develop the Chelsea squad in the future.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on July 19, 2024, 10:48:09 AM

Pochettino knows that he is going to be forced to just develop the team gradually, one by one, step by step. But the owner is spending so much money on the team so he wants some results right away. In football world you do not get results right away, that is just not how it works at all, you do not end up with good players and good situations all the time, you just end up with getting better with time.

Pochettino? He has already got sacked by Todd Boehly my friend.

Enzo Maresca is in charge from now on as many people have been discussing about it as well.

Other than that, I would agree with you on the way Boehly treated Pochettino. It was completely wrong while the team were getting better slowly. Especially the final weeks of the previous season was giving a really good level of hope. But what did Boehly do? He sacked Pochettino anyway... Some chairmans are really difficult to understand. Like I said before, they should be patient and observe the development process.

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Quote from: blue Snow on July 17, 2024, 09:24:45 PM

It is indeed hard to find any such area in a successful and scoring team like Liverpool. Coaches will often have their players evaluated in scrimmages or other contests, taking measure of potential weaknesses that might not be so glaring as others.

That being said, while Liverpool front three is packed with firepower and it has quality in midfield as well when coached to be efficient its backline might even leave space for some nuances of gameplay or tactical adjustments or sufficient squad depth on certain positions through the year. This "winning" team must in a state of constant equilibrium- evaluation and adaptation - to keep the good parts stronger, making sure that their weaknesses are at least turned into neutral play or deployed like tactical time bombs.

Well on the way that even though they look strong together, there are still development and planning until eternity.

There's no doubt about it. In fact, I've thought that this team would have to use a formation like Madrid's, where there are 4 defenders, 3 in recovery and 3 in midfield, and of those 3, 1 attacker always escapes and that attacker can rotate with the other two who are in midfield. For me that makes the other team uncontrolled and that's already a plus. In fact, it's a way that I do it at least when I play PS and it has worked for me, but real life is different and few teams use a formation like that. However, I would like to see Luis Diaz and a striker like Mo Salah attacking on one side. I think that combination is very dangerous.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on July 19, 2024, 10:48:09 AM

Pochettino knows that he is going to be forced to just develop the team gradually, one by one, step by step. But the owner is spending so much money on the team so he wants some results right away. In football world you do not get results right away, that is just not how it works at all, you do not end up with good players and good situations all the time, you just end up with getting better with time.

I started to believe I’m Pochettihnho’s process towards the end of last season when he was able to beat some big teams to secure the Europa League slot before Manchester United won FA cup to send back to the UEFA Conference league; for him to come from the bottom ten of the Premier League table to top ten, he is capable of making the team perform better in the next coming season.

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But, the owner is some rich American, of course he doesn't understand how it works. In their world, they could spend money to some sign stars at Free Agency and then be a good team, so he looks at how much players at America makes, and how much they are spending on transfers here, and he thinks that they should have some awesome team.

He wanted a quick return of investment which was why he is rushing everything including their mode of signings. Chelsea sign so many players with huge amount of money, and the owner want a return or a better performance from the team since it is an expensive team that have been heavily invested in, and as such, they were sacking their coaches thinking they are not competent which is wrong in my opinion. The management should give this new manager some time to get balance for the team, but if they sack him after his first season, I think the team problem will not end soon.

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Quote from: Obim34 on July 18, 2024, 02:19:05 PM

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Chelsea do honestly want to win as many titles they can possibly lay their hands on, that is the reason they consistently choose to change managers untill they get that result but only that the approach is not appropriate to secure for them those titles they hoped for due to neglecting that a progressive stable change doesn't just happen in a team during one season, it requires about two to then decide, but Chelsea has been too quick to sacking their coaches even when there comes signs of improvement.

Obviously they want to do that, but a lot of factors have changed in recent years. When Abramowitch started pumping money into the club, I would say that the Premier League wasn't as competitive as it is now. It was always highly competitive of course, but with recovered Liverpool and superior Manchester City, two teams have become incredibly strong over the last five to seven years.

Still though given the money that has been spent on new players for a while now, the results they were able to achieve are clearly insufficient. This is by far not enough despite the fact that there are so many strong teams.

But I am looking forward to seeing what they will be able to do in the upcoming season. It won't get any easier for them though.

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