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I doubt it honestly because there is no way Liverpool performance can be compare with Chelsea when it has become obvious that Chelsea is very inconsistent on this season while Liverpool has been able to have been leading the premier League, so if perhaps Chelsea was better than Liverpool on this premier League they would have been leading the table instead of Liverpool.

Agreed. Liverpool and Chelsea look technically no match in performance now. They got a draw against each other at Stamford Bridge before though. But it was the 1st week of the season at the same time. It isn't sensible to make assumptions from that week as a result.

But Salah won't be able to play against Chelsea in their upcoming duel - which is only 6 days away. This changes things a lot as Salah is a crucial member of the team. I think Liverpool might have more problems on scoring multiple goals depending on Chelsea's defense.

What do you think?
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I think even though Chelsea is not in good form this season, even I saw H2H where all their last 5 matches ended in a draw. So I think even though Chelsea are in bad form, they are quite superior to Liverpool.
I doubt it honestly because there is no way Liverpool performance can be compare with Chelsea when it has become obvious that Chelsea is very inconsistent on this season while Liverpool has been able to have been leading the premier League, so if perhaps Chelsea was better than Liverpool on this premier League they would have been leading the table instead of Liverpool.
I think that any prediction will be useless to measuring how strong chelsea is. Im concerning about the situation of chelsea, the club is always up and down. It was making it very difficult to compare chelsea to the liverpool. Look at the first leg against middlesbourgh. Chelsea played like a shitty club but the second leg was far different compared to the first leg. It means that chelsea can also perform as good as liverpool. We are still one month away from the final of carabao cup. There will be so many things to happen.

Liverpool can also go down to the bottom again. Im expecting salah to play in the final of carabao cup. Chelsea needs to put salah and diaz as the main attention. The club needs to use good RB and LB to prevent liverpool deadliest winger.
Chelsea has enough time to make preparation against liverpool. It will be so good if chelsea will win the carabao cup. Assuming that Chelsea performs with the correct strategy and line up, everything should go according to plan.

The blues have chance to beat liverpool even when its opponent will be on the peak performance. I will be waiting for what plan wll be using by pochettino in the final of carabao cup.
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I think even though Chelsea is not in good form this season, even I saw H2H where all their last 5 matches ended in a draw. So I think even though Chelsea are in bad form, they are quite superior to Liverpool.
I doubt it honestly because there is no way Liverpool performance can be compare with Chelsea when it has become obvious that Chelsea is very inconsistent on this season while Liverpool has been able to have been leading the premier League, so if perhaps Chelsea was better than Liverpool on this premier League they would have been leading the table instead of Liverpool.
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To be fair, they are not a team that has been great for many years, last year was a good year, and this year they looked good for a while before starting to be bad, and that's about it, a year before last year was a terrible start and they got better eventually but they still didn't end up being all that great.

So all in all, for a team that has been decent only for a while, we can't really say that they are the leaders in the candidate for the title winner. I think they are the third best team so they should finish third in the league, I would put them there, and that makes sense, but I wouldn't put them beyond Liverpool and city, those two teams has dominated the last ten years, and they will end up being better than everyone else.

Arsenal fans must have really missed the times with players like Henry.  Smiley  Because those times were the brightest for this team. Since then I don't remember a single Premier League title achieved by Arsenal... The last time they won this title was in the 2003/04 season. It has been 20 years since then, time flies.  Sad

Now Arteta has a big responsibility. Maybe the board wasn't expecting Arsenal to improve this much when they first brought him. However Arsenal can't still reach the championship.

Like I said they would really benefit from having some more experienced players with a leader character. Signing a player such as Mbappe would also change things a lot but I wouldn't expect Mbappe to choose Arsenal while there are better alternatives.
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Yes, I admit that Brighton has many opportunities to score and beat Wolves, but as you said, Wolves have a different strategy and I saw from yesterday's performance that Wolves focus more on their defense so that the central midfielders and attacking players always help each player's defense line. Brighton tried to attack and this strategy was successful with the aim of Wolves not wanting to lose points and also wanting to maintain their position to improve their consistency.
I know that we weren't the only ones who lost betting on Brighton but there were a lot of people who lost their bets because Wolves can't be taken lightly this time so there's no need to regret losing the bet.
Brighton team could not score any goal in this match. I thought that Brighton team might score and win the match, for which I bet in support of Brighton team, but Brighton team players did not score any goal. Brighton team goalkeeper J. Steele played well in this match. However, J. Pedro  And F. Buonanotte didn't play well. F. Buonanotte played well in the previous matches. Wolves team players played very well which made this match draw but Wolves goal keeper J. Sá performed very well in this game.

Your expectation was too high for brighton. I have seen the previous game of this club and brighton played like shit. This club keeps repeat the pathetic strategy which is always focusing on how to passing the ball one to each other.
I must be honest if the attacking line of brighton was toothless. I didn't even see any fight from all of them , nothing. No passion, no quality.

I knew there was no quality owned by the attacking line of brighton from the beginning. Brighton's squad was not good enough to be watched. The defensive line was not that strong combined with terrible attackers.
It was a complete garbage club. If brighton keep losing the points and it's not good enough for the club. This is not acceptable result for all of bettors.

Brighton needs to do better in upcoming game. It shall never be wasting any opportunity again in the future. It's really unacceptable result.
Maybe everyone has a different opinion, but I respect your opinion because I admit that compare to other clubs in the Premier League, Brighton doesn't have a strongs attack line, just players who don't have good quality.
The problem is that we are talking about two clubs, Wolves and Brighton, which both have almost equal performance in the middle club class.
I think that these two club have quite an interesting match, giving each other a fight, even though they are not as attractive as the big clubs in appearance, but the problem is that this is a club that is in the middle of the points table which only has standar performance.
So that doesn't mean I have high hope, but I'm just giving my opinion about what I see because it's true that Brighton actually has a much higher chances of winnings than Wolves, it just that Wolves have a fairly tight defensive strategy.
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This should be important to note that we are talking about a team that has reached semi finals of FA cup while being a championship level team. And when we are talking about a "championship level team", do not consider them as some amazing team leading the league, nearly there at premier league already or something like that.

Middlesbrough is 11th right now in championship, so they are not even good at their league, it is 90% guaranteed that they are not going to be at premier league next season, that's the level they are in right now and still somehow managed to get to semi finals of the fa cup. This means that they did all the best they could do, and even though they ended up losing, we should still consider them as doing fine.
In domestic competitions, sometimes "Championship level teams" can put up more resistance when facing premier league clubs, especially if they are clubs that are not from the premier league, but still they can reach the semi-finals and beat the majority of premier league clubs, even Middlesbrough beat Chelsea, which is a league club the main event was quite tough so that his success in reaching the semi-finals could be appreciated even though he failed to reach the final because he was defeated by Chelsea in the second leg.

In the Championship League Middlesbrough are not in a good ranking but they are quite good in the league cup competition so that make them quite confident and have shown their best and as best they can, I hoped one day this club can take part in the main league competition and improved the team performanced so that they can appearing in the main competition, I am sure that over time Middlesbrough can do that and can further advance the club.
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In the EFL leg 2 semi-final, Chelsea put in a great performance to beat Middlesbrough to reach the final. Although Chelsea lost against Middlesbrough in the 1st leg, Chelsea's strong attack came in the 2nd leg and scored 6-1. Middlesbrough's own player conceded an own goal at the start of the game and from then on their game began to deteriorate and Chelsea took advantage of this weakness to score 6 goals at the end of the game. Chelsea led by 4 goals in the first half and 2 more after half time, all in all they played a great game against Middlesbrough. Now the Chelsea team is entering the final and they are probably more likely to play the final match against Liverpool I think.
This was an explosive match for Chelsea with Cole Palmer shining. Even though I knew Chelsea would easily win against Middlesbrough when playing at home, this was a result that surprised me quite a bit. This big victory was partly due to Middlesbrough losing the game quite early with an own goal from Middlesbrough midfielder Jonny Howson.
This early goal gave Chelsea more confidence and spirit to score more next goals. If we can defeat Liverpool in the final, it can be said that this is an extremely important trophy for Chelsea in a season when they played poorly.
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What do you think about Ceferin's statement "We know we were right"?

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Aleksander Ceferin insists UEFA ‘knew we were right’ over allege Financial Fair Play breaches by Manchester City.

City were banned from the Champions League for two seasons and fined £25m in January 2020 after they were found to have seriously misled UEFA and broken Financial Fair Play rules.

However, the Court of Arbitration overturned the ban seven months later and reduced the fine to £10m.

But City have faced similar charges on domestic grounds, with the Premier League finding 115 breaches in February 2023 that spanned over nine seasons.
https://metro.co.uk/2024/01/24/man-city-premier-league-charges-uefa-knew-right-champions-league-ban-says-aleksander-ceferin-20162943/

When an official of such a high level makes such statements, it means that he already approximately knows how the matter will end. Will the Premier League really be able to punish City for cheating? Sounds incredible, but maybe it's time to punish the real scammers and not Everton?
I would like to see how City will be seriously punished: they will take away their titles and send them to the Championship.
And suddenly it turns out that Solskjaer with United were able to achieve gold!  Grin

City is still having another chance to turn back the sanction. I will not even expect city to get big sanctions caused by that. The reason why it will not be a problem for the city is that the club is always financially supported by oil money, which acts as a protective shield against any potential major sanctions that may come their way.

It sounds impossible to punish city and money has protected it from any of serious sanction is going to be received by manchester city. City will be sanctioned but court of arbitration will help it again.

This is just another similar pattern repeated. Nothing surprise if i will see city to get light sanctions.
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The prospect of Liverpool and Chelsea facing off in the Carabao Cup final promises an exciting and highly competitive match. Despite Chelsea having a struggling phase, they have never lost to Liverpool in last few years. It's worth to expect an impressive performance from Chelsea in the final, especially considering the formidable opponent in Liverpool. It will also be another final for Pochettino to face Liverpool after UCL 2019.

I think even though Chelsea is not in good form this season, even I saw H2H where all their last 5 matches ended in a draw. So I think even though Chelsea are in bad form, they are quite superior to Liverpool.
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... So Liverpool and Chelsea will face each other in the Carabao Cup final this season. These two teams are both so great that I think it will be difficult to determine who will win the Carabao Cup trophy this season. I want to see Chelsea performance more impressive in the final match because the opponent they face is not a team that they can easily beat so Pochettino has to come up with more effective tactics to be able to beat Liverpool.
The prospect of Liverpool and Chelsea facing off in the Carabao Cup final promises an exciting and highly competitive match. Despite Chelsea having a struggling phase, they have never lost to Liverpool in last few years. It's worth to expect an impressive performance from Chelsea in the final, especially considering the formidable opponent in Liverpool. It will also be another final for Pochettino to face Liverpool after UCL 2019.

Pochettino needs to devise effective tactics to face Liverpool, because the final could be a turning point for Chelsea to improve their form and mentality, if they win of course. The anticipation of a closely contested match adds to the excitement, as both teams boast talented squads and successful histories. The outcome will likely hinge on the teams' performances on the day, the effectiveness of tactical approaches, and the ability of individual players to make a decisive impact.
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Middlesbrough going out in the semi finals of this competition is pretty impressive and we must credit them for their successes. Well yeah you must also count luck as one of the many factors for their success. Yea, they were defeated by a wide range of goal margin but still were able to get through to the semifinals. Well they’ve had massive luck with the draws as they’ve always had weaker opponents.

 Chelsea are obviously better and one tough opponent they’ve had in this competition and one reason why they weren’t able to survive. They’re out of the FA CUp as they were defeated by Villa,  Middlesbrough might have really tried there very best in those tournaments but they're no match for Chelsea or Aston Villa that's in the EPL tournaments and got better squad with experience than them.
Chelsea did not give Middlesbrough hope of reaching the final. Because Chelsea managed to dash Middlesbrough hopes by making a comeback by scoring 6 goals in the second leg which made the aggregate 6-2 and Chelsea deserved to be in the final after their hard efforts in the second leg. On the other hand, Middlesbrough also appeared more consistent in the first leg but when they played at Stamford Bridge they were unable to balance their strength for prevent Chelsea from winning.

Another match between Fulham vs Liverpool has also finished where the aggregate is 2-3 for victory Liverpool. So Liverpool and Chelsea will face each other in the Carabao Cup final this season. These two teams are both so great that I think it will be difficult to determine who will win the Carabao Cup trophy this season. I want to see Chelsea performance more impressive in the final match because the opponent they face is not a team that they can easily beat so Pochettino has to come up with more effective tactics to be able to beat Liverpool.
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Its not the semifinal of FA Cup but League Cup, or EFL cup or Carabao Cup.
2 weeks ago Middlesbrough has been lost to Aston Villa 0-1 in the FA Cup 3rd round.

Yeah Middlesbrough luck finally runs out when they have to face Chelsea at the EFL Cup semifinals.
Middlesbrough considered very lucky since the round 1 of the EFL Cup because they only met weaker opponents.

Round 1 they beat Huddersfield, another Championship team in relegation zone
Round 2 they beat Bolton, a team from League one (lower league than Championship)
Round 3, they beat Bradford, a team from League two (lower league than League one)
Round 4 they beat Exeter, a team from League one
Round of 16 they beat Port vale, another team from League one
Semifinal, Chelsea beat them with aggregate 6-2
Middlesbrough going out in the semi finals of this competition is pretty impressive and we must credit them for their successes. Well yeah you must also count luck as one of the many factors for their success. Yea, they were defeated by a wide range of goal margin but still were able to get through to the semifinals. Well they’ve had massive luck with the draws as they’ve always had weaker opponents.

 Chelsea are obviously better and one tough opponent they’ve had in this competition and one reason why they weren’t able to survive. They’re out of the FA CUp as they were defeated by Villa,  Middlesbrough might have really tried there very best in those tournaments but they're no match for Chelsea or Aston Villa that's in the EPL tournaments and got better squad with experience than them.
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Is there any Manchester United fans here? What are your thoughts on your new CEO? It seems like stories related to his job portfolio and past relations with Manchester United are the hot topic right now. One of the good news is probably his commitment to kick a player if he failed to perform after 2 years on the club[1]. Not sure how this will translate into practice if the recruitment is still terrible though. On the other hand, he was tweeting many things against United in the past, such as hoping United to get beaten and so on. While I'm sure it is just business, some questions might question his loyalty although that's probably not needed as long as he can improve the squad and the bureaucracy around the team. CMIIW.

[1] https://onefootball.com/id/berita/fabrizio-romano-reveals-omar-berradas-stance-on-underperforming-players-thatll-excite-man-united-fans-38920090

A player like Antonio Martial would definitely be on this list. A player like Antony would not be missed as he is much of a gambler who's after showboating.

Nothing much to say about the new owners of Manchester United football, they should get results is all that matters, so far, they're inputing the right persons in the right position. With time, they'll definitely get the players who fits into the project they want for the club.
One thing sure is the success of Manchester United football so they could win the Champions League, Premier League Competition once again and go back like they was in them old days.
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What do you think about Ceferin's statement "We know we were right"?

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Aleksander Ceferin insists UEFA ‘knew we were right’ over allege Financial Fair Play breaches by Manchester City.

City were banned from the Champions League for two seasons and fined £25m in January 2020 after they were found to have seriously misled UEFA and broken Financial Fair Play rules.

However, the Court of Arbitration overturned the ban seven months later and reduced the fine to £10m.

But City have faced similar charges on domestic grounds, with the Premier League finding 115 breaches in February 2023 that spanned over nine seasons.
https://metro.co.uk/2024/01/24/man-city-premier-league-charges-uefa-knew-right-champions-league-ban-says-aleksander-ceferin-20162943/

When an official of such a high level makes such statements, it means that he already approximately knows how the matter will end. Will the Premier League really be able to punish City for cheating? Sounds incredible, but maybe it's time to punish the real scammers and not Everton?
I would like to see how City will be seriously punished: they will take away their titles and send them to the Championship.
And suddenly it turns out that Solskjaer with United were able to achieve gold!  Grin
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Brighton team could not score any goal in this match. I thought that Brighton team might score and win the match, for which I bet in support of Brighton team, but Brighton team players did not score any goal. Brighton team goalkeeper J. Steele played well in this match. However, J. Pedro  And F. Buonanotte didn't play well. F. Buonanotte played well in the previous matches. Wolves team players played very well which made this match draw but Wolves goal keeper J. Sá performed very well in this game.
I once said it when the game was starting. Why is no one betting on a draw for that match? I saw the performance of both teams which was not good for me to choose a winner. Wolves achieved good results in the previous 3 matches but their level is far below Brighton. But Brighton has been in poor form in recent matches. They are more highlighted because statistically they are stronger but because they are playing badly I think they will have no chance of winning. Therefore I bet that the match will be a draw.

Why not try placing a draw as a bet? So far the score is still 0-0. But Brighton really controlled the game. They had good ball control even though they only had 3 shots on target. I think it won't be long before they score. But still giving victory to one team in your bet is not a good idea if you look at the performance of both in the last few matches. Wolves look better after getting 3 wins in a row but Brighton has better quality than Wolves.
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This should be important to note that we are talking about a team that has reached semi finals of FA cup while being a championship level team. And when we are talking about a "championship level team", do not consider them as some amazing team leading the league, nearly there at premier league already or something like that.

Middlesbrough is 11th right now in championship, so they are not even good at their league, it is 90% guaranteed that they are not going to be at premier league next season, that's the level they are in right now and still somehow managed to get to semi finals of the fa cup. This means that they did all the best they could do, and even though they ended up losing, we should still consider them as doing fine.

Its not the semifinal of FA Cup but League Cup, or EFL cup or Carabao Cup.
2 weeks ago Middlesbrough has been lost to Aston Villa 0-1 in the FA Cup 3rd round.

Yeah Middlesbrough luck finally runs out when they have to face Chelsea at the EFL Cup semifinals.
Middlesbrough considered very lucky since the round 1 of the EFL Cup because they only met weaker opponents.

Round 1 they beat Huddersfield, another Championship team in relegation zone
Round 2 they beat Bolton, a team from League one (lower league than Championship)
Round 3, they beat Bradford, a team from League two (lower league than League one)
Round 4 they beat Exeter, a team from League one
Round of 16 they beat Port vale, another team from League one
Semifinal, Chelsea beat them with aggregate 6-2
I share your sentiment on Middlesbrough meeting weaker opponents, they were able to get this far because they have been meeting those teams. Now that they saw real competition with Chelsea haven't they been knocked out, with an emphatic socreline. Nevertheless we have to give them credit for getting far.
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This should be important to note that we are talking about a team that has reached semi finals of FA cup while being a championship level team. And when we are talking about a "championship level team", do not consider them as some amazing team leading the league, nearly there at premier league already or something like that.

Middlesbrough is 11th right now in championship, so they are not even good at their league, it is 90% guaranteed that they are not going to be at premier league next season, that's the level they are in right now and still somehow managed to get to semi finals of the fa cup. This means that they did all the best they could do, and even though they ended up losing, we should still consider them as doing fine.

Its not the semifinal of FA Cup but League Cup, or EFL cup or Carabao Cup.
2 weeks ago Middlesbrough has been lost to Aston Villa 0-1 in the FA Cup 3rd round.

Yeah Middlesbrough luck finally runs out when they have to face Chelsea at the EFL Cup semifinals.
Middlesbrough considered very lucky since the round 1 of the EFL Cup because they only met weaker opponents.

Round 1 they beat Huddersfield, another Championship team in relegation zone
Round 2 they beat Bolton, a team from League one (lower league than Championship)
Round 3, they beat Bradford, a team from League two (lower league than League one)
Round 4 they beat Exeter, a team from League one
Round of 16 they beat Port vale, another team from League one
Semifinal, Chelsea beat them with aggregate 6-2
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This should be important to note that we are talking about a team that has reached semi finals of FA cup while being a championship level team. And when we are talking about a "championship level team", do not consider them as some amazing team leading the league, nearly there at premier league already or something like that.

Middlesbrough is 11th right now in championship, so they are not even good at their league, it is 90% guaranteed that they are not going to be at premier league next season, that's the level they are in right now and still somehow managed to get to semi finals of the fa cup. This means that they did all the best they could do, and even though they ended up losing, we should still consider them as doing fine.
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Yes, I admit that Brighton has many opportunities to score and beat Wolves, but as you said, Wolves have a different strategy and I saw from yesterday's performance that Wolves focus more on their defense so that the central midfielders and attacking players always help each player's defense line. Brighton tried to attack and this strategy was successful with the aim of Wolves not wanting to lose points and also wanting to maintain their position to improve their consistency.
I know that we weren't the only ones who lost betting on Brighton but there were a lot of people who lost their bets because Wolves can't be taken lightly this time so there's no need to regret losing the bet.
Brighton team could not score any goal in this match. I thought that Brighton team might score and win the match, for which I bet in support of Brighton team, but Brighton team players did not score any goal. Brighton team goalkeeper J. Steele played well in this match. However, J. Pedro  And F. Buonanotte didn't play well. F. Buonanotte played well in the previous matches. Wolves team players played very well which made this match draw but Wolves goal keeper J. Sá performed very well in this game.

Your expectation was too high for brighton. I have seen the previous game of this club and brighton played like shit. This club keeps repeat the pathetic strategy which is always focusing on how to passing the ball one to each other.
I must be honest if the attacking line of brighton was toothless. I didn't even see any fight from all of them , nothing. No passion, no quality.

I knew there was no quality owned by the attacking line of brighton from the beginning. Brighton's squad was not good enough to be watched. The defensive line was not that strong combined with terrible attackers.
It was a complete garbage club. If brighton keep losing the points and it's not good enough for the club. This is not acceptable result for all of bettors.

Brighton needs to do better in upcoming game. It shall never be wasting any opportunity again in the future. It's really unacceptable result.
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In the end, Chelsea was able to beat Middlesbrough with an extraordinary scored, namely a total of 6 goals, even though Chelsea were defeat in the first leg, but in the second leg Chelsea were able to avenge the defeated and make Chelsea qualify for the final round and I think they will compete with Liverpool and I am sure Liverpool will beat Fullham in the second leg because in the first leg Liverpool have beaten Fullham at home, even though the second leg will be held at Fullham's home ground, Liverpool are still quite strong when competing away and of course we will see the final between Chelsea vs Liverpool.

I am very confident that Liverpool will win the EFL trophy because Liverpool performance is much stronger compared to Chelsea, Liverpool is in a more stable condition and their consistency cannot be doubted even though Chelsea failed to wins the EFL trophy, at least Chelsea has fought hard until they reached the final and This is quite an impressive achievement despite conditions that are not very stable.
Chelsea at Stamford Bridge seems to be unstoppable especially as they’ve not been defeated in that ground. Yes, they got the win against Middlesbrough and that was expected but what was quite surprising was the crazy goal margin of 6 and that was the big deal in this match, this match was a very big revenge for  Chelsea  based on their previous meeting.

 Yes, I know Liverpool will sure defeat Fulham again tonight and join Chelsea in the final. Taking a look at this Final, yes Liverpool seems to be favorite but I think Chelsea won’t go to this final quietly as they’ll probably want to at least get a trophy for themselves this season as this could be their major shot at a trophy. Liverpool who’ll be focused on the UEL, and League title might also come worrying to at least get the treble but I thin Chelsea will have the upper hand at the end of the day.
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