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Quote from: letteredhub on December 07, 2024, 04:49:39 PM

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On the other hand, the match between Nottingham Forest and Manchester United has ended, and Nottingham Forest emerged as the winner in this match with a narrow score of 3-2. Nottingham Forest played quite well in this match, although they did not dominate the match too much. Nottingham Forest only got 28% of the ball possession, but they were able to take advantage of every opportunity they got well. Nottingham Forest managed to stop Manchester United's steps to climb to the top 10.

Nottingham forest didn't had to dominate the game before they could win it cos they were playing against a bigger team Manchester united, all they needed to do was to take their chances when it shows up and that's precisely what Forest did against a Manchester united side that couldn't capitalize on their own opportunities and dominance in the game to taking full three points. Today's loss I will blame it on united poor defense and a bit of goalkeeping errors from Onana especially for the second goal united conceded.

Manchester United were sloppy, their defense was weak. It has become clear that Manchester United cannot defend against set pieces. Crystal Palace capitalized on it and got the lead early in the first half and into the second half Onana's error gifted Chris Wood the goal that sealed the victory for Crystal Palace. If Manchester United want to achieve great results again, they need to overhaul the squad and bring in quality and proven players that will align to Ruben amorim tactical plan.

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Quote from: shinratensei_ on December 08, 2024, 02:25:17 AM

Manchester United fans be like:

This is gonna be never ending problem for Manchester United's management. Let's see how long they could realize if their squad was the problem, not their coach. It's kinda suck to see that coach has to play with low quality squad like that. No consistency, no deterimnation, no chemistry, etc.

They should replicate what Chelsea did. Kick all of garbage players, then replace them all.

I agree with that, the problem is with Manchester United players who do not have a strong spirit and chemistry with each other, as if they are competing to show their individual skills, there is no teamwork seen in Manchester United players.
They have changed coaches quite a lot but no coach can meet the management's expectations, so it is appropriate for Manchester United management to make another step and if it is not wrong to imitate what Chelsea did, it is worth trying in my opinion.

This is a very disappointing week for me, two Manchester suffered defeats which I think are very embarrassing.
In another match Man City also failed to win the match and even their team performance was quite bad, this is really a deep slump experienced by Man City this season.

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Manchester City fell behind twice and eventually had to settle for a draw. It's a loss for them because Crystal Palace are not at their old strength, they should have won this game. Now they are out of the championship, they can't stay in the race. Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea are opening the gap. It's difficult for them to come back in the league this season, they'd better focus on the Champions League. In the league they will play to win every game, but it's hard to have the motivation they had before. They had already been champions a lot in recent years, there was a saturation of success in the team.

This is a better result than losing, even though the opponent they face is a team that is at the bottom of the standings. Because even though in the previous match Manchester City was able to stop its series of defeats, but Manchester City has not really been able to return to its best performance. So it is unlikely that Manchester City can regain the top position in the near future.

I don't agree with you. Manchester City drawing against Crystal Palace is like a defeat in my eyes. What an embarrassing game again for Pep Guardiola and his players, the way they played was very poor. Manchester City was fighting for a draw. I doubt they can win the league this season. If Manchester City wants to return to winning ways, Pep will need to buy players in January. City shouldn’t have sold some of their players like Cole Palmer and Mahrez.

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Manchester United are 13th on the table after having back to back losses. Their possession in this game was very poor.I doubt Ruben Amorim will be able to get the job done in Manchester United with the formation he is using. Three man defense didn’t work for Conte in Tottenham and he was sacked. What makes Amorim think he can succeed with this strategy in England. Manchester United will be playing Manchester City next, if they play a 3-man defense against City they will surely lose.

Judging by the previous coach, Amorim will have time to experiment Grin

But at the moment the results are still as bad. I made a multi-bet today where both Manchesters had to at least not lose, but only City managed to do so. United's result surprised me incredibly. Nottingham have had a great first third of the season but United should not lose at home like this. By the way, there could well be a draw in the derby, after all, City is in deep crisis, it seems to me that they have even lost their championship mentality.

Man, same squad different coach, what's the different? I see the problem was in their MU's squad, not coach. It doesn't really matter how many times they changed the coach, and i think i may see the same thing to happen. I see the only solution for MU to overhaul its squad.

Amorim can perform well only if he gets the squad build by himself. He would be a flop if he being forced to perform with the current squad.

Yea, you are actually right, and I think you have said all, I keep saying this, at this point I don't think the problem of Manchester united is the manager, anyone in charge of this club will struggle because of the poor quality of players at the club, though I saw some improvement from this Manchester united team which am going to say that it's the effect of Amorin on the team, but the quality of players and the type's of players that suits into his playing system is what he will be seeking to acquire in the summer because with this current crop of players at the club, I don't sees them achieving anything significant in the nearest future, though they can still move up the table a little bit but challenging for the title in the nearest future with this low quality players is just too much to ask from him.
So just as you have rightfully said, till he sign his own ideal players, he wouldn't be able to get what he actually wanted at Manchester united, because they aren't good enough to compete with the very best.

Manchester United fans be like:

This is gonna be never ending problem for Manchester United's management. Let's see how long they could realize if their squad was the problem, not their coach. It's kinda suck to see that coach has to play with low quality squad like that. No consistency, no deterimnation, no chemistry, etc.

They should replicate what Chelsea did. Kick all of garbage players, then replace them all.

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Quote from: bitLeap on December 08, 2024, 01:41:27 AM

Ruben Amorim turned out to be no better than Erik Ten Hag, Man United dark system will indeed be quite difficult to solve. In the match against Nottingham Forest, there were many mistakes especially when Amorim made a lot of player rotations. The goal was to find a point of compatibility but it also made Nottingham Forest aware of Man United game system and used it as an opportunity to steal a goal. Onana, who is usually able to appear overpowered, but today is very different from his previous appearance. Man United to become the only English giant club that is most unlucky. While Chelsea who last season performed below Man United, managed to achieve the best results with Enzo Maresca.

The truth is that majority of the players at Manchester United are average players who can not take the team to where they are targeting. Amorin is not a bad manager if you read his game management but no coach will succeed dealing with average players. I hope he get the players he wants and the results will probably manifest. Most of the players aren't performing to the level of Manchester United standard.

Quote from: Plaguedeath on December 07, 2024, 10:22:34 PM

Even De Bruyne back to be a starter, it's not enough to make Manchester City to win easily. The performance of both Crystal Palace and Manchester City are equal, but Crystal Palace is actually didn't have a good history, so this mean Manchester City is still in bad performance.

The one who will stop Brentford at home is Arsenal, the match will happen in the beginning of next year.

Well, we have to realise that Manchester City struggle is attributed to the numerous injuries they've sustained. Grealish, Doku and De Bruyne are all playing through injuries just to make sure the team progresses. Unfortunately, Rodri injury has left a wide gap in the defensive midfield and there's no suitable replacement on his behalf. However, the draw against Crystal Palace is not a disastrous result especially considering their injuries woes.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on December 07, 2024, 10:22:34 PM

What's actually Onana doing? Tongue

He should able to save that because it's an easy shot. Not surprising to see his rate is 3.2, he played really poor in this match.

Ruben Amorim turned out to be no better than Erik Ten Hag, Man United dark system will indeed be quite difficult to solve. In the match against Nottingham Forest, there were many mistakes especially when Amorim made a lot of player rotations. The goal was to find a point of compatibility but it also made Nottingham Forest aware of Man United game system and used it as an opportunity to steal a goal. Onana, who is usually able to appear overpowered, but today is very different from his previous appearance. Man United to become the only English giant club that is most unlucky. While Chelsea who last season performed below Man United, managed to achieve the best results with Enzo Maresca.

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Quote from: Barikui1 on December 07, 2024, 11:40:28 PM

Yea, you are actually right, and I think you have said all, I keep saying this, at this point I don't think the problem of Manchester united is the manager, anyone in charge of this club will struggle because of the poor quality of players at the club, though I saw some improvement from this Manchester united team which am going to say that it's the effect of Amorin on the team, but the quality of players and the type's of players that suits into his playing system is what he will be seeking to acquire in the summer because with this current crop of players at the club, I don't sees them achieving anything significant in the nearest future, though they can still move up the table a little bit but challenging for the title in the nearest future with this low quality players is just too much to ask from him.
So just as you have rightfully said, till he sign his own ideal players, he wouldn't be able to get what he actually wanted at Manchester united, because they aren't good enough to compete with the very best.

I agree with you. The players of this club may be talented. But they are not able to perform well with Manchester United. And we have been seeing this for a long time. I think Manchester United's attack is quite strong. If the midfield is stable and the match strategy is good, we will get good performance from HOjlund and Rashford. However, Manchester United's main weakness is their defense.

Manchester United has scored 19 goals in 15 matches and conceded 18 goals. Since Manchester United's attack players are not able to score many goals, if Manchester United wants to stabilize their performance, then their defenders must play well. Otherwise, Manchester United will not be able to stabilize their overall performance.The new coach Amorim is also not able to stabilize Manchester United's overall performance yet. Looking forward to seeing which players Amorim adds to his squad in the next transfer window.

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Nottingham forest didn't had to dominate the game before they could win it cos they were playing against a bigger team Manchester united, all they needed to do was to take their chances when it shows up and that's precisely what Forest did against a Manchester united side that couldn't capitalize on their own opportunities and dominance in the game to taking full three points. Today's loss I will blame it on united poor defense and a bit of goalkeeping errors from Onana especially for the second goal united conceded.

Manchester United defeat at Old Trafford saw them drop to 13th in the standings, and this was also Amorim second consecutive defeat with Manchester United. Nottingham really tarnished Amorim face in front of their own supporters, They played very disciplined and managed to thwart a number of opportunities that Manchester United had to reduce the goal deficit.

In my opinion, Manchester United did not learn from their mistakes against Arsenal in the previous match, they conceded again from a corner kick which was scored by Nikola Milenkovic header in the second minute. Amorim has to feel the fierce competition in the EPL, now the situation is getting more difficult after only being able to collect 19 points from 15 matches.

Nothing has changed yet for Manchester United the same we were seeing during time of Erik Ten Hag is thesame thing we still seeing under Amorim I think Manchester United would have allowed Ruud to complete this season with Manchester United before looking for another manager that if Ruud didn't perform well.
Manchester United losing at Old Trafford to Nottingham Forest shows no improvement with them.
Secondly Manchester United should try and reduce the weekly salaries earn by this players I think that the money they are going home every week is really making them to be playing rubbish I believe they will be more serious if their wages is been cut down a bit so they can be more serious, and idea of Amorim keeping Marcus Rashford on the bench is what I don't really understand with is way I don't think Amorim we do well as a Manchester United couch he should discover where the problem is coming from and fixed it now before Manchester United go below were they now in the English premier league table.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on December 07, 2024, 10:22:34 PM

Even De Bruyne back to be a starter, it's not enough to make Manchester City to win easily. The performance of both Crystal Palace and Manchester City are equal, but Crystal Palace is actually didn't have a good history, so this mean Manchester City is still in bad performance.

The draw at Crystal Palace means Manchester City have failed to win in six away games in three different competitions. Conceding 2 goals from Palace also recorded the worst defensive performance in the Guardiola era, besides that the dependence on Haaland is also starting to be seen and it is clear that it is very detrimental to them. Losing 2 points at Palace's headquarters makes City fall further behind Liverpool, although still perched in fourth place, but they are already eight points behind, the points gap still has the opportunity to increase because Liverpool have a postponed match against Everton.

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Quote from: tusandii on December 07, 2024, 10:30:13 PM

Liverpool's match with Everton was forced to be postponed due to bad weather that hit Goodison Park stadium so Everton can still breathe a little easier because they still have time to prepare for their meeting but it is not yet known when this match will be held. Meanwhile, Man United's match with Nottingham Forest, Man United club still has to swallow defeat Ruben Amorim has not been able to make his club appear impressive, maybe it still needs time.

Yes bad weather at Goodison Park stadium made it necessary to postpone match between Liverpool and Everton. This gives Everton some more time to get ready for match but we do not know when it will be played yet. Meanwhile Manchester United match against Nottingham Forest did happen and Manchester United lost. It looks like Ruben Amorim the team manager still needs some time to make his team play really well and get results they want.

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Manchester United are 13th on the table after having back to back losses. Their possession in this game was very poor.I doubt Ruben Amorim will be able to get the job done in Manchester United with the formation he is using. Three man defense didn’t work for Conte in Tottenham and he was sacked. What makes Amorim think he can succeed with this strategy in England. Manchester United will be playing Manchester City next, if they play a 3-man defense against City they will surely lose.

Judging by the previous coach, Amorim will have time to experiment Grin

But at the moment the results are still as bad. I made a multi-bet today where both Manchesters had to at least not lose, but only City managed to do so. United's result surprised me incredibly. Nottingham have had a great first third of the season but United should not lose at home like this. By the way, there could well be a draw in the derby, after all, City is in deep crisis, it seems to me that they have even lost their championship mentality.

Man, same squad different coach, what's the different? I see the problem was in their MU's squad, not coach. It doesn't really matter how many times they changed the coach, and i think i may see the same thing to happen. I see the only solution for MU to overhaul its squad.

Amorim can perform well only if he gets the squad build by himself. He would be a flop if he being forced to perform with the current squad.

Yea, you are actually right, and I think you have said all, I keep saying this, at this point I don't think the problem of Manchester united is the manager, anyone in charge of this club will struggle because of the poor quality of players at the club, though I saw some improvement from this Manchester united team which am going to say that it's the effect of Amorin on the team, but the quality of players and the type's of players that suits into his playing system is what he will be seeking to acquire in the summer because with this current crop of players at the club, I don't sees them achieving anything significant in the nearest future, though they can still move up the table a little bit but challenging for the title in the nearest future with this low quality players is just too much to ask from him.
So just as you have rightfully said, till he sign his own ideal players, he wouldn't be able to get what he actually wanted at Manchester united, because they aren't good enough to compete with the very best.

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Quote from: Weawant on December 07, 2024, 06:09:12 PM

Isn't it too early a time to start throwing blames at Amorim? For how long will Manchester keep blaming their head coaches for their continued failure when they have got no patience to build the team, I don't know why it feels like most persons were expecting a magic from amorim such that his arrival would turn things around almost immediately, he's need some time to get things right and if after the time given he's still isn't productive enough then he can be relieved if his duties.

I think it is not wise to blame Amorim just because they lost this match. Of course there is a difference between Sporting and Manchester United. And there is also a difference in quality between the Portuguese League and the EPL. But I do not underestimate the Portuguese League. In fact, Amorim can beat City in the UCL. I think for now Amorim still needs time to adapt. On the other hand, I think Amorim still cannot implement his tactics effectively because he has to utilize the resources available. I wonder if someone expects instant results after years of being down. I think maybe Amorim can finish this season by trying to adapt and be better next season.

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Manchester United are 13th on the table after having back to back losses. Their possession in this game was very poor.I doubt Ruben Amorim will be able to get the job done in Manchester United with the formation he is using. Three man defense didn’t work for Conte in Tottenham and he was sacked. What makes Amorim think he can succeed with this strategy in England. Manchester United will be playing Manchester City next, if they play a 3-man defense against City they will surely lose.

Judging by the previous coach, Amorim will have time to experiment Grin

But at the moment the results are still as bad. I made a multi-bet today where both Manchesters had to at least not lose, but only City managed to do so. United's result surprised me incredibly. Nottingham have had a great first third of the season but United should not lose at home like this. By the way, there could well be a draw in the derby, after all, City is in deep crisis, it seems to me that they have even lost their championship mentality.

Man, same squad different coach, what's the different? I see the problem was in their MU's squad, not coach. It doesn't really matter how many times they changed the coach, and i think i may see the same thing to happen. I see the only solution for MU to overhaul its squad.

Amorim can perform well only if he gets the squad build by himself. He would be a flop if he being forced to perform with the current squad.

As for City, They could win if Walker didn't lose his persistency. His mistake costed his club two points, he's shite in this game. City could also lost the game if Dias was not saved them at the end of game. All in all, they're terrible to watch off or on the ball.

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Liverpool's match with Everton was forced to be postponed due to bad weather that hit Goodison Park stadium so Everton can still breathe a little easier because they still have time to prepare for their meeting but it is not yet known when this match will be held. Meanwhile, Man United's match with Nottingham Forest, Man United club still has to swallow defeat Ruben Amorim has not been able to make his club appear impressive, maybe it still needs time.

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What's actually Onana doing? Tongue

He should able to save that because it's an easy shot. Not surprising to see his rate is 3.2, he played really poor in this match.

Quote from: Oluwa-btc on December 07, 2024, 10:05:34 PM

Manchester City game would only be boring to those who do not want them to lose or draw or possibly biased, they played well as a team even with the draw against Palace. Was happy to see Diaz returning to action in defence with a top performance. He has said this would be a season to struggle, finishing top four should be a miracle for them. There's nothing about winners syndrome, tjry have injury crises and they played a side who had players ready to run like mad bulls for 90mins. Who will end the unbeaten run of Brentford at home?!

Even De Bruyne back to be a starter, it's not enough to make Manchester City to win easily. The performance of both Crystal Palace and Manchester City are equal, but Crystal Palace is actually didn't have a good history, so this mean Manchester City is still in bad performance.

The one who will stop Brentford at home is Arsenal, the match will happen in the beginning of next year.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on December 07, 2024, 05:25:02 PM

Crystal Palace - Manchester City game was boring to watch. I thought Manchester City were back to winning ways because of their last outing. It was an surprising to see Manchester City concede an early goal and struggle once again to earn a draw against a side like Crystal Palace. I think Pep has made up his mind to sit this one out, he’s won everything there is to win in England and it seems he is unmotivated to compete anymore. It’s hard to inspire a winner. I think Manchester City are suffering from “winners syndrome”.

Manchester City game would only be boring to those who do not want them to lose or draw or possibly biased, they played well as a team even with the draw against Palace. Was happy to see Diaz returning to action in defence with a top performance. He has said this would be a season to struggle, finishing top four should be a miracle for them. There's nothing about winners syndrome, tjry have injury crises and they played a side who had players ready to run like mad bulls for 90mins. Who will end the unbeaten run of Brentford at home?!

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Nottingham forest didn't had to dominate the game before they could win it cos they were playing against a bigger team Manchester united, all they needed to do was to take their chances when it shows up and that's precisely what Forest did against a Manchester united side that couldn't capitalize on their own opportunities and dominance in the game to taking full three points. Today's loss I will blame it on united poor defense and a bit of goalkeeping errors from Onana especially for the second goal united conceded.

Manchester United defeat at Old Trafford saw them drop to 13th in the standings, and this was also Amorim second consecutive defeat with Manchester United. Nottingham really tarnished Amorim face in front of their own supporters, They played very disciplined and managed to thwart a number of opportunities that Manchester United had to reduce the goal deficit.

In my opinion, Manchester United did not learn from their mistakes against Arsenal in the previous match, they conceded again from a corner kick which was scored by Nikola Milenkovic header in the second minute. Amorim has to feel the fierce competition in the EPL, now the situation is getting more difficult after only being able to collect 19 points from 15 matches.

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The draw that City got was much better than having to swallow defeat, although Man City on paper was able to win this match but in reality it was difficult for Man City to get full points, even though they had to share points with the host at least they were not embarrassed in tonight's match at least Man City still remained in 4th position in the standings, the bad results that Man City got were some obstacles from several players who were injured and that was understandable, at least there was anticipation from management to improve their game so as not to be thrown out of the top 4 of the Premier League even the points difference between Man City and Aston Villa was only two points apart and that could be a threat to Man City next week.

After winning once, Man City now has to get less than optimal results again and the cause still remains, that is the vulnerability in their back line. It looks like Guardiola really has to think of another way, because if there is no refreshment in their squad (especially the back line) then it will be difficult for them to return to the title race. They dominated the match and even managed to score 2 goals, but that was meaningless because they also easily conceded goals to their opponents.

If all the players that Manchester City has made a team for this season were injury free and all performed as well as other seasons then the Manchester City manager would not have to worry so much about their team performance. A combination of injury problems and not being in the best form has seen Manchester City start the season badly and they just can't get better.

To say that we need to rethink, Manchester City must change in some areas, especially the midfield. If they do not recruit a good quality experienced and capable midfielder club next season then their performance will not improve. Along with the midfielders, players in every position have to play with responsibility only then Manchester City will return to good performance again.

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Quote from: letteredhub on December 07, 2024, 04:49:39 PM

Nottingham forest didn't had to dominate the game before they could win it cos they were playing against a bigger team Manchester united, all they needed to do was to take their chances when it shows up and that's precisely what Forest did against a Manchester united side that couldn't capitalize on their own opportunities and dominance in the game to taking full three points. Today's loss I will blame it on united poor defense and a bit of goalkeeping errors from Onana especially for the second goal united conceded.

For Nottingham Forest playing against a big team can always be a surprise except for Manchester City which they could not defeat. Meanwhile Manchester United whose reputation is still unclear, was easily defeated without having to control the game. This was the 2nd defeat after being at the hands of Amorim. Honestly Amorim seemed stressed with the Premier League competition. At Sporting he could create a monster but at Manchester United it didn't seem as easy as imagined.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on December 07, 2024, 05:25:02 PM

Crystal Palace - Manchester City game was boring to watch. I thought Manchester City were back to winning ways because of their last outing. It was an surprising to see Manchester City concede an early goal and struggle once again to earn a draw against a side like Crystal Palace. I think Pep has made up his mind to sit this one out, he’s won everything there is to win in England and it seems he is unmotivated to compete anymore. It’s hard to inspire a winner. I think Manchester City are suffering from “winners syndrome”.

It seems like almost all teams in the English league already understand very well how the strategy made by Pep in the field. I'm not surprised because the Premier League is filled with great coaches, so it's not because he's degraded his motivation, but his strategy has been read by opponents so that it has been anticipated on the fields. So even he has won many trophies, he should know how to beat a team like Crystal Palace. He has won many big matches against a top club on Europa like Liverpool, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona, etc. So this makes me wonder why he can't won when meet team like Crystal Palace. Which mean, what Pep made now for the club is currently known by opponent, it's the same case like Jose Mourinho in the past, all opponent already know what the strategy he made, and know how to overcome it.

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