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Quote from: baeva on September 22, 2023, 03:34:28 PM

Maybe there's no shortage of that, but there are other teams who's line-ups may not be quite perfect, but they're just very strong, also as a team. I'm referring to Manchester City. They may have some problems in their squad, but they don't stop them from winning. Besides, if you look at the situation now, Tottenham are joining this race, who have had a great start to the season and also have a good squad.

For Manchester City, I don't see any gaps in their players. Their starters and reserves are at the same level and even if the starters can't play due to some problems like KDB's at the moment the reserves can still be a good option because their quality is not too different considering Manchester City players are really very good in their individual skills.
On the other hand Pep is also quite smart in terms of rotation and organising schemes that want to be done in every match they run so that makes Manchester City always one level above their opponents.

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Quote from: Falconer on September 22, 2023, 03:34:04 PM

Even though I am disappointed with Manchester United management's decision towards De Gea, it may not have been the best decision for both parties. De Gea isn't too bad to stay a few more seasons at Manchester United, but perhaps things didn't come to an agreement in his new contract so the decision not to extend the contract has to be accepted.

Couple with the fact that they didn’t come to an agreement about the new contract with the team, De Gea was already performing poorly and has lost most form which is not good for the team. And I also think he was given enough time to regain his form and position back but all prove to no avail, it could be his age which I’m not too certain about. At the end, he’s not just the right person for that position again and hence he was replaced with Onana from Inter Milan.

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Meanwhile, I am happy with Onana's performance even though in the last match he conceded 4 goals. Manchester United didn't have a great defense that night and they should be embarrassed by the team's poor performance throughout the match. If only Casemiro didn't score 2 goals, then of course Manchester United would be left with too much of a goal deficit from Bayern Munich.

Casemiro did well by scoring that two goals because it has really helped to reduce the goal difference between them which will be of advantage to them later in the group stage qualifying teams for the knockout stage. The four goals conceded by Onana can’t be blamed on the defenders only but they should all be blamed for what had happened. In one way or the other, they have both contributed to the loss that was incurred from that match. The mistakes should have being noticed and corrected, which I believe they’ll effect it in the next match they play in the UCL.

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Manchester United have already been rewarded for their decision not to extend De Gea's contract and regrets will now be useless because once a decision has been made it is impossible to change it.
Now Manchester United must realise the mistakes they made not only for the players but for the coaching staff and officials and the main focus now is to restore the performance of several under-performing players, one of which is Onana. They have to find a way how Onana can be better under the Manchester United bar on the other hand for Onana also he must try hard now because apologising and admitting that he is bad enough now will not be the answer.

Meanwhile, I am happy with Onana's performance even though in the last match he conceded 4 goals. Manchester United didn't have a great defense that night and they should be embarrassed by the team's poor performance throughout the match. If only Casemiro didn't score 2 goals, then of course Manchester United would be left with too much of a goal deficit from Bayern Munich.

Manchester United's defense has been very porous lately due to their poor defending but looking at some goals that the Manchester united goal keeper Onana has conceded I think the majority of the goals has been cheap goals. Onana is a great keeper no doubt but his calculations has been very poor it has affected his confidence on the field thst he now make terrible mistakes thst has led to goals in almost all the matches he has played so far. The Champions league match against Bayern Munich Onana made another huge mistake for conceding a weak shoot that led to the first goal, I think with or without a good defense of United some goals that Onana has conceded aren't supposed to be goals at all he has been very poor in his goal keeping to be honest.

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Quote from: youdacapt on September 22, 2023, 04:06:36 PM

Pleases my mind to see someone agree haha. Manchester United fans are a funny lol; they want to continue to blame players for a coach bad tactical setup or lets say tactical failure. Also, the Manchester United board has managed the Sancho saga poorly for a team without replacements.

What to do for ten hag? he should go back to footballing basics, players playing in their positions and enough of forcing positions etc. Up next is Burnley after 3 losses in a row.

Ten Hag has the mentality of a provincial coach - where you can play boss and dominate the players. In big clubs and with star players it doesn't work - you can kick Ronaldo out and put pressure on everyone else, but it won't lead to anything good. According to leaks, after the game with Brighton there was a brawl in the United dressing room, before that there was also news about tension within the team. Ten Hag does not contribute in any way to solving problems, he only accumulates them. But there is hope that he will be replaced soon; I would not be surprised if the players deliberately play poorly, “draining” the coach, so to speak.

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Manchester City - Nottingham Forest will be played tomorrow with clear advantage for Citizens. I think they could easily get at least 2 goals advantage.
Tomorrow also Manchester United will face Burnley, well if they fail in this match too then consequences will be bad for the stuff.. ManU need this victory to boost the team and fans psychologically in this unsuccessful starting.
The other 3 games that will be played tomorrow are quite balanced with slight advantage for Brentford and Wolves. Crystal Palace - Fulham is a challenging match and it is hard to predict the winner.

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Quote from: Falconer on September 22, 2023, 03:34:04 PM

Even though I am disappointed with Manchester United management's decision towards De Gea, it may not have been the best decision for both parties. De Gea isn't too bad to stay a few more seasons at Manchester United, but perhaps things didn't come to an agreement in his new contract so the decision not to extend the contract has to be accepted.

Meanwhile, I am happy with Onana's performance even though in the last match he conceded 4 goals. Manchester United didn't have a great defense that night and they should be embarrassed by the team's poor performance throughout the match. If only Casemiro didn't score 2 goals, then of course Manchester United would be left with too much of a goal deficit from Bayern Munich.

I think why Manchester actually ditched De gea is one because of his wages but that wasn’t the case Degea actually agreed to lower his wages before the summer break and after some time and mixed season united when again to ask cut the wages further down more and this felt like a disrespect for him and that is why he declined immediately. It would have been marvelous to hand him a contract extension but it will be at the detriment of the Coach Ten Hag because he thought of it and has made sure that he can’t accept DeGea in the team again. Players like DeGea cannot be on the bench because they will put more pressure on him to play them more.

This Onana bad start to the season shouldn’t be blamed only on him because the midfield to the defense has been shit too. And as for Onana I think the change of role has also affected him. Onana of inter Milan usually comes out to collect the ball and that helps the team but since the goal against Madrid in the preseason many have started and that has change his geme. An example is the goal Awoniyi scored Onana would have come out of his box but sticks to the box mainly because of the pressure of him coming out too much.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on September 22, 2023, 12:16:17 PM

Onana's performance has not been good so far but it really wouldn't be fair if the blame was placed all on him.

Onana’s performance has not really been impressive since Manchester United signed him, he has been making some errors in most matches, we all saw how he performed in Manchester United's last match against Bayern Munich, his performance was really poor, I am not really blaming him for some of the goals conceded, and the Manchester United defence is also kind of weak. But I still prefer De Gea to Onana, the hype was just too much when Onana was about to be singed, but he's not really worth the hype. De Gea’s performance is better than Onana, and I am sure Ten Hag will regret why he allowed De Gea to leave.

Quote from: abhiseshakana on September 22, 2023, 12:16:17 PM

Ten Hag should know very well that Man United's defense needs attention and a solution.

If Ten Hag does not work on defence, then all clubs will find it very easy to penetrate, which will really be a bad one for Manchester United. Since the beginning of this season, Manchester United have been conceding in almost all their matches, which is caused by poor defenders and poor goalkeepers.

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I’m pretty sure a lot of people had a lot of confidence in Onana when he was brought in to Manchester United. I mean, who wouldn’t? He did an amazing job over at Inter Milan, he just had to be brought in.
I remember watching the game and seeing him sitting so dejected, I felt sorry for him. He probably didn’t think he would have conceded as much goals as he has done in his time at Manchester United.
He’s most likely under some pressure to get better but he can only do so much considering the defense isn’t entirely free of any fault.

I feel so bad for him, he is good goalkeeper and we all saw what he did in Inter Milan last season and i was even more surprised when I watched the champions league final, he played excellently and with his confidence i knew he was too good for the club and other teams will seek for his services. His move to Manchester United was a good move for him but I think probably the overall team performance has affected him and made him lose so much confidence. These things happen alot and it is same thing happening to Mudryk in Chelsea, they are good players that have lost their confidence due to one or two reasons. I hope they regain back their confidence and redeem themself.

I wouldn't go too far with any interpretation in relation to Onana's mistakes. There is not one goalkeeper in the world who is still free of major errors during important games. There have been plenty of disastrous mistakes during some of the biggest games there are. Whether that be in the Champions League or even at a World Cup. The important thing now is that Onana doesn't carry that burden around for a long time. He should mentally get himself fixed by just getting over it and focusing on preventing those errors from happening again. Or it would be even better to erase that mistake entirely and not include it in his thinking during the next games. He has the quality to play free of error games and that is what counts.

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Quote from: HajiBagi on September 22, 2023, 09:42:13 AM

To be really honest, the coach is Manchester United's biggest issue. Throughout every game they play, they constantly lose, and the teams that do so are usually weaker opponents. The coach also refuses to use certain players to play the ball, like Sancho at the moment. Erik ten Hag doesn't want Sancho to perform with the first team; I have never seen a coach act in this manner before. No matter what the issue is between a player and the coach, the coach shouldn't take it personally because doing so could have an adverse effect on the team's performance.

Let's use mbappe as an example. PSG stated that mbappe would not play for them this season because he wanted to join Real Madrid at any cost and they did not want him to leave the team at this time. They also decided that even if mbappe did not go to Real Madrid, they would not allow him to play for them this season. However, in the end, they calmed down and resolved the issue, and mbappe is now playing for the team and nothing negative has happened. So, my recommendation to the Manchester United team is to tell the coach to stop what he's doing because else, the team will keep losing.

Pleases my mind to see someone agree haha. Manchester United fans are a funny lol; they want to continue to blame players for a coach bad tactical setup or lets say tactical failure. Also, the Manchester United board has managed the Sancho saga poorly for a team without replacements.

What to do for ten hag? he should go back to footballing basics, players playing in their positions and enough of forcing positions etc. Up next is Burnley after 3 losses in a row.

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Quote from: Nerdy doctor on September 22, 2023, 10:25:02 AM

I’m pretty sure a lot of people had a lot of confidence in Onana when he was brought in to Manchester United. I mean, who wouldn’t? He did an amazing job over at Inter Milan, he just had to be brought in.
I remember watching the game and seeing him sitting so dejected, I felt sorry for him. He probably didn’t think he would have conceded as much goals as he has done in his time at Manchester United.
He’s most likely under some pressure to get better but he can only do so much considering the defense isn’t entirely free of any fault.

I feel so bad for him, he is good goalkeeper and we all saw what he did in Inter Milan last season and i was even more surprised when I watched the champions league final, he played excellently and with his confidence i knew he was too good for the club and other teams will seek for his services. His move to Manchester United was a good move for him but I think probably the overall team performance has affected him and made him lose so much confidence. These things happen alot and it is same thing happening to Mudryk in Chelsea, they are good players that have lost their confidence due to one or two reasons. I hope they regain back their confidence and redeem themself.

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Raya is a good goalkeeper. I think Arteta was not trying to just bring in another backup goalkeeper this time. No, he wanted to bring in another starting goalkeeper. He wants to have two goalkeepers that can play for them as main goalkeepers. He wanted to have a backup goalkeeper, who is as good as the main one. in case, something happens to one goalkeeper, the other will not be a problem for the team. Now first of all I think this is really good for the team. But the two goalkeepers might have a little problem regarding which one is getting more playtime. But Raya definitely came into the team knowing that right?

Arsenal have many competitions to play this season, there will be enough games to go round for every player even the goalkeepers. The goalkeeper who will have more time and be the keeper for very important and serious games will be the goalkeeper who has performed better in the games that they have started. It is a healthy competition, that both goalkeepers understand it's advantage to the the team. Raya has started two games and kept two clean sheets, when Ramsdale gets his opportunity, he will be focused on being impressive too and trying to make sure that no goals go through.

For one reason, Arsenal may have some tough time in the current season, considering the kind of clubs that are on their lineup for the early games in this season, if luck is not on Arsenal side, they have a very tough starting point in this season compared to last season when Asernal have alot of positive results in they early games which positioned them for a better competition for the remaining period of the season.
Unlike the current position with Asernal were no significant success have been registered so far compared to last season where Asernal was on the 1st position on the table for several weeks.

Well I feel that last time they fell a bit short of what clinching the finish to the season. But it's not about luck if you work hard enough. Yeah luck also plays a factor but still last season they weren't that much consistent. In my opinion, if they maintain the consistency till the end then they can really win a title at least. I am satisfied with what they achieved last season but this season with all the signings they have made, they really have to show something that really can win a title atleast in coming future. I mean they have to as I feel that they don't have shortage of anything inside the squad.

Maybe there's no shortage of that, but there are other teams who's line-ups may not be quite perfect, but they're just very strong, also as a team. I'm referring to Manchester City. They may have some problems in their squad, but they don't stop them from winning. Besides, if you look at the situation now, Tottenham are joining this race, who have had a great start to the season and also have a good squad.

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Manchester United have already been rewarded for their decision not to extend De Gea's contract and regrets will now be useless because once a decision has been made it is impossible to change it.
Now Manchester United must realise the mistakes they made not only for the players but for the coaching staff and officials and the main focus now is to restore the performance of several under-performing players, one of which is Onana. They have to find a way how Onana can be better under the Manchester United bar on the other hand for Onana also he must try hard now because apologising and admitting that he is bad enough now will not be the answer.

Even though I am disappointed with Manchester United management's decision towards De Gea, it may not have been the best decision for both parties. De Gea isn't too bad to stay a few more seasons at Manchester United, but perhaps things didn't come to an agreement in his new contract so the decision not to extend the contract has to be accepted.

Meanwhile, I am happy with Onana's performance even though in the last match he conceded 4 goals. Manchester United didn't have a great defense that night and they should be embarrassed by the team's poor performance throughout the match. If only Casemiro didn't score 2 goals, then of course Manchester United would be left with too much of a goal deficit from Bayern Munich.

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I don't really know what's happening with Son speaking about the game against Arsenal that the Gunners can't withstand them and I'm like just because Tottenham won some of their games and he feels they're better than Arteta's men.
Well if this came up when Harry Kane was in that team I would say they can make life a living hell for Arsenal but I believe the Gunners can beat Tottenham Hotspur home and away this season and to top it all, Arsenal are more stronger than Spurs this season, judging by the way the Gunners are handling business this season.

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Quote from: indah rezqi on September 22, 2023, 02:40:44 PM

One of the most interesting derby matches in week six, both Arsenal and Tottenham have an unbeaten record this season. What is most unique in my opinion is that both of them have managed to beat Man United this season. I think the strengths of the Gunners and The Lilywhites are quite balanced at the moment. However, if you look in more detail, I agree with you in placing Arsenal as the favorite in this derby. Arteta squad just won the UCL group stage match with a score of 4-0 against PSV, a source of confidence to face Tottenham.

Even though Tottenham are also unbeaten so far in the EPL, beating Arsenal at home requires a lot of effort and luck. I think this will be a match that will produce a title challenge this season, either for Arsenal or Tottenham. Even though the forces are quite balanced, I don't think a draw will happen.

I agree that it is one of the most interesting games, but I don't think it is for the fact that they have both beaten Manchester United. It is not that overwhelming as Manchester United wasn't very good in some of the Premier League games. What's more exciting is how Tottenham is playing at the moment as that is some really decent football. That's not just some lucky goals, but very well structured and planned out.

Arsenal had some close games, not least the one against Manchester United with those very late goals for Arsenal, but they are also doing pretty well in most of the games and this should be a game on a level playing field for those two teams. I can't predict this one very well. I think Arsenal has a little advantage.

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Quote from: un_rank on September 22, 2023, 02:28:36 PM

I will not blame him for conceding 4 goals, but he is to be blamed for the first goal that went in. At this level of football no keeper should be letting that past them. But it is important to notes that higher pressure is on keepers and their mistakes are always costly. A midfielder can misplace a pass or miss a control and it gets overlooked immediately, same with a striker who can fail to make a run or miss a sitter and it is not such a big deal. But any error by a keeper costs the team 9 times out of 10.

Onana still has lots of matches to prove his doubters wrong and he is one of the best keepers with the ball at his feet, he just is not in a team that plays out of the back.

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Yeah the first goal was a very big mistake by Onana he could had caught it easily or pushed it away for a corner but he carelessly allowed it slide past him, but I think the defenders also have their own side of the blame as well for letting the Bayern Munich attacker get past them easily, Dalot wasn't very strong enough in the match and allowed Gnabry to bully him then created an chance that lead to a goal.

Eric Ten Hag has a lot of work to do to get the best out of his players,right now he's short on options and have to manage the players he's got, Onana is not that very bad like people think he might not be as better as degea In shot stopping but he's good and is not yet very confident enough due to a lack of defence to help him but with time i feel he'll pick up, it's a good thing he realised his mistake after the match and accepted the blames of them losing the match.

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The competition is becoming tough for Arsenal and they'll be having a very tough match tomorrow against Tottenham who are performing very brilliant this season and i think they'll need luck to win the match against Tottenham and i feet it's goimg to be a draw match because both teams are good currently and would be so careful to concede a goal, but i think Arsenal are the favourites to win the game.

However I'm not going to underestimate Tottenham because they've been so brilliant this season and taking the league by storm,and beating the clubs they come across, I think there new coach is a blessing to the team cause he's changed their style of play and instill a winning mentality into his players, anyways if Arsenal survive Tottenham beating Brentford and Bournemouth won't be an issue for them.

One of the most interesting derby matches in week six, both Arsenal and Tottenham have an unbeaten record this season. What is most unique in my opinion is that both of them have managed to beat Man United this season. I think the strengths of the Gunners and The Lilywhites are quite balanced at the moment. However, if you look in more detail, I agree with you in placing Arsenal as the favorite in this derby. Arteta squad just won the UCL group stage match with a score of 4-0 against PSV, a source of confidence to face Tottenham.

Even though Tottenham are also unbeaten so far in the EPL, beating Arsenal at home requires a lot of effort and luck. I think this will be a match that will produce a title challenge this season, either for Arsenal or Tottenham. Even though the forces are quite balanced, I don't think a draw will happen.

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But wait a minute, does Onana deserve to be completely blamed for conceding 4 goals when beaten by a team that had a better attack line than Manchester United's defense? I think Onana performed better in that match, otherwise Onana would have conceded 9 goals instead of 4 goals.

I will not blame him for conceding 4 goals, but he is to be blamed for the first goal that went in. At this level of football no keeper should be letting that past them. But it is important to notes that higher pressure is on keepers and their mistakes are always costly. A midfielder can misplace a pass or miss a control and it gets overlooked immediately, same with a striker who can fail to make a run or miss a sitter and it is not such a big deal. But any error by a keeper costs the team 9 times out of 10.

Onana still has lots of matches to prove his doubters wrong and he is one of the best keepers with the ball at his feet, he just is not in a team that plays out of the back.

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I think arsenal will definitely learn from their last fuck up last season and try to adjust so that they can secure at least a trophy this season because last season when it comes to performance they actually played very well even to the surprised of many football fans but the one thing they lack was the inability for them to cope when their player had injury.

Of course Arsenal must learn from their failures last season, but stopping Manchester City's dominance is not as easy as writing down a wish. Manchester City is still a better team than other teams in the Premier League, even Arsenal must realize that the title competition this season is not only about them and Manchester City, but also about Liverpool and maybe Tottenham. So their hopes will not come true if they cannot win as many points as possible compared to Liverpool, Tottenham and Manchester City.

If Arsenal wants to win the title, then they have to win all their matches including beating Liverpool, Tottenham and Manchester City. This is the toughest challenge for Arteta and all his players, so as I said it is not as easy as writing down a wish.

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Andre Onana has realized and has responsibility for that, but I think from mistakes there's a lot of learning for him.
Here's his statement... https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1704607393726808415

For me it's not entirely Onana's fault, but he has a big responsibility after being bought expensively from Inter Milan.

I agree with you that it was a lot of negligence from the defense which was quite weak so it was easy for the opponent to penetrate Onana's goal, which is more of a concern for Erik Ten Hag in defense.

Of course he knows what he has to do, but why don't other players do the same when they don't defend well and don't work together well to score goals? I think he should get appreciation instead of blaming himself for Manchester United's poor defense in the last few matches.

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Quote from: skarais on September 22, 2023, 02:08:12 PM

But wait a minute, does Onana deserve to be completely blamed for conceding 4 goals when beaten by a team that had a better attack line than Manchester United's defense? I think Onana performed better in that match, otherwise Onana would have conceded 9 goals instead of 4 goals.

The decision not to extend De Gea's contract was the right one, but Manchester United failed to strengthen its defense with some better players. I don't agree with people just blaming Onana when Manchester United were beaten by a team with more quality than them, that's not a nice thing to say. If you want to blame, then blame everyone instead of just one or a few.

Andre Onana has realized and has responsibility for that, but I think from mistakes there's a lot of learning for him.
Here's his statement... https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1704607393726808415

For me it's not entirely Onana's fault, but he has a big responsibility after being bought expensively from Inter Milan.

I agree with you that it was a lot of negligence from the defense which was quite weak so it was easy for the opponent to penetrate Onana's goal, which is more of a concern for Erik Ten Hag in defense.

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Raya is a good goalkeeper. I think Arteta was not trying to just bring in another backup goalkeeper this time. No, he wanted to bring in another starting goalkeeper. He wants to have two goalkeepers that can play for them as main goalkeepers. He wanted to have a backup goalkeeper, who is as good as the main one. in case, something happens to one goalkeeper, the other will not be a problem for the team. Now first of all I think this is really good for the team. But the two goalkeepers might have a little problem regarding which one is getting more playtime. But Raya definitely came into the team knowing that right?

Arsenal have many competitions to play this season, there will be enough games to go round for every player even the goalkeepers. The goalkeeper who will have more time and be the keeper for very important and serious games will be the goalkeeper who has performed better in the games that they have started. It is a healthy competition, that both goalkeepers understand it's advantage to the the team. Raya has started two games and kept two clean sheets, when Ramsdale gets his opportunity, he will be focused on being impressive too and trying to make sure that no goals go through.

For one reason, Arsenal may have some tough time in the current season, considering the kind of clubs that are on their lineup for the early games in this season, if luck is not on Arsenal side, they have a very tough starting point in this season compared to last season when Asernal have alot of positive results in they early games which positioned them for a better competition for the remaining period of the season.
Unlike the current position with Asernal were no significant success have been registered so far compared to last season where Asernal was on the 1st position on the table for several weeks.

Well I feel that last time they fell a bit short of what clinching the finish to the season. But it's not about luck if you work hard enough. Yeah luck also plays a factor but still last season they weren't that much consistent. In my opinion, if they maintain the consistency till the end then they can really win a title at least. I am satisfied with what they achieved last season but this season with all the signings they have made, they really have to show something that really can win a title atleast in coming future. I mean they have to as I feel that they don't have shortage of anything inside the squad.

I think arsenal will definitely learn from their last fuck up last season and try to adjust so that they can secure at least a trophy this season because last season when it comes to performance they actually played very well even to the surprised of many football fans but the one thing they lack was the inability for them to cope when their player had injury.

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