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I don't really know if Arsenal are having a different way the referees in the EPL are officiating their games or is there something we're not getting? Arsenal played against Bournemouth and they lost with a player (Saliba) being sent off and the game between Liverpool vs Chelsea we saw a similar situation where Tosin had to tackle one of the Liverpool players but he wasn't shown a red card but a yellow and it got me worried that the way some decisions are being made by the refs is not suppose to be, similar situation but different punishment, why is it like that? Arsenal have suffered so much this very season with 3 red cards this season. Is the EPL refs fair in making decisions this season or they have teams they target to issue red cards?
What happened to Saliba continues to be a debate that I think will give rise to a lot of controversy on social media, even the red card obtained by the Saliba began to be linked to Arsenal next match against Liverpool in the Premier League, because like a lot of speculation circulating at the moment the VAR referee between Bournemouth vs Arsenal is a Liverpool fan, so maybe he is trying to weaken Arsenal when facing Liverpool later, the controversy was further strengthened when there was a significant difference in the penalty received by Saliba and that received by Tosin in the Chelsea vs Liverpool match, to be honest when I saw Howard Webb in the VIP stands and speaking through the mic, it seems that there is indeed a conspiracy to prevent Arsenal be as championship, because in recent seasons Howard Webb has never been friendly towards Arsenal when he was a referee and even when he was he is served as chairman of PGMOL now,many referee decisions are actually detrimental to Arsenal.



This complain started when the red card wasn't shown to the Chelsea defender Tosin, if not Arsenal fans wasn't talking about the red card but it seems the refs are not doing what they're suppose to do, at first we complained about VAR that they're not doing the right thing and now we are having same wrong decisions by the center refs, they're not consistent I must say which is bad.
I was surprised when I saw Webb placing his fingers on his ear like he's the referee of the game, I never put too much thought to it but later on I felt he was the one who made the call to issue the red card. These guys are using sentiment to kill the game which is not good, is as if the ref in charge of the game doesn't have any say or can not make any decision without calling the big man at the top. Webb is out of the game but he's still calling the shots, his presence is affecting the game.
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It's sad to want to throw blames at the referee when it was at some point clear the gunners where in a very vulnerable state, they weren't just the best in that game, they even got defensive at some point yet they weren't able to contain their opponent, like you have stated correctly, a goal would have been considered to be some mistakes but two goals was an obvious indication the Gunner weren't having a chance in all of that. Well there's still some time to conclude if Arsenal will be able to literally emerge from the shadows of city, mind you Liverpool is there to also stand in s another big challenge to surmount hence so much work and time has to be put in place for the best results.

This season we have just played 8 matches. There are still many matches that have not been completed. Arsenal does not have the same performance as last season. But currently the points difference is still quite small. There is still a chance for Arsenal to compete with Man City and Liverpool. But it all depends on how much effort Arsenal makes to improve their performance. If they do it slowly enough, of course the points difference with other teams will be even greater. It is even likely that the teams that are currently below them will start to shift Arsenal in the standings.
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I don't really know if Arsenal are having a different way the referees in the EPL are officiating their games or is there something we're not getting? Arsenal played against Bournemouth and they lost with a player (Saliba) being sent off and the game between Liverpool vs Chelsea we saw a similar situation where Tosin had to tackle one of the Liverpool players but he wasn't shown a red card but a yellow and it got me worried that the way some decisions are being made by the refs is not suppose to be, similar situation but different punishment, why is it like that? Arsenal have suffered so much this very season with 3 red cards this season. Is the EPL refs fair in making decisions this season or they have teams they target to issue red cards?

Man, just accept the truth. Saliba's case is totally different compared to Tosin. He was so harsh; it was an exact scoring goal opportunity by Bournemouth's player. That's why he was sent off by the referee after received a red card.

And in Tosin's case, the ball was heading wide; he was not the last man. Also, it's not an exact scoring goal opportunity for Salah. So, he got yellow

If we're seeing it closely, there are some differences, but yeah, it's very similar.

All you said has no way to convince me on this issue, a goal scoring opportunity is a goal scoring opportunity nothing to differentiate it and that's why I said the two incident are the same, if Saliba deserves a red card then so do Tosin. Let's take a look at what Rice did when he got the red card, by kicking the ball away from where the Brighton player wanted to restart the game, he got a red card and the same incident happened when Doku kicked the ball away from where Rice was suppose to restart the game against Manchester City but Doku wasn't shown any card so what are you saying, was it not the same incident? EPL refs are making it look like Arsenal are their target, like they're going to make them face some kind of harsh decision and is costing the Gunners points, to me all 3 red cards given to Arsenal are not suppose to be a part from the Trossard card.
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Arsenal's defeats should not be blamed solely on faulty refereeing. Surely the team has problems if it loses to Bournemouth 2-0. 1 goal can be attributed to "a moment of weakness", but 2 is an indicator of systemic problems. Also, Arsenal have failed to emerge from the shadow of Manchester City for another season and are falling just short of the championship title. Or is this all connected with a conspiracy against Arsenal?
It's sad to want to throw blames at the referee when it was at some point clear the gunners where in a very vulnerable state, they weren't just the best in that game, they even got defensive at some point yet they weren't able to contain their opponent, like you have stated correctly, a goal would have been considered to be some mistakes but two goals was an obvious indication the Gunner weren't having a chance in all of that. Well there's still some time to conclude if Arsenal will be able to literally emerge from the shadows of city, mind you Liverpool is there to also stand in s another big challenge to surmount hence so much work and time has to be put in place for the best results.
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One day Ten Hag will definitely part ways with Manchester United, either with his contract expiring or being fired during the season, it really depends on the team performance going forward. Ten Hag and his players receive criticism from fans almost every week, and they never get out of pressure, it's all caused by inconsistency. Of course the manager is the most responsible for all the chaos that occurs, because everything moves based on his instructions.
The victory over Brentford after failing to win in the previous five matches is certainly very encouraging, although it is not worth celebrating excessively, at least the fans can smile a little. For Ten Hag, the victory certainly means a lot, because he can breathe a sigh of relief with the hope that he will continue to be maintained by management.
The challenges ahead are getting tougher, where Manchester United need extra work to be able to win, beating Fenerbahce is certainly more difficult than beating Brentford.

Certainly everyone will definitely leave a position one day either been sacked, contracts expires, he decides to leave himself or nature takes him away, one will surely happen but at the moment peeople need to calm down and actually give him some breathing space. We all were expecting that this man wouldn’t be coming back after the international break but just as he said the board weren’t thinking of it and rather went ahead to even clear up spaces for him to be comfortable in.

I think Manchester United fans themselves needs to calm down and see where this leads it is sad seeing Manchester United fans wishing for the club to lose so that a manager can get sacked, this to me is very bad sportsmanship, we certainly know if the results doesn’t improve over the season the man will be gone be they know it. Yesterday’s win might be the start of their season even though many fans thinks it’s just a mid table team but at the position Manchester United are now, every match is a very big match to them and they need to win each match as the season goes on to help build consistency and their confidence
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What happened to Saliba continues to be a debate that I think will give rise to a lot of controversy on social media, even the red card obtained by the Saliba began to be linked to Arsenal next match against Liverpool in the Premier League, because like a lot of speculation circulating at the moment the VAR referee between Bournemouth vs Arsenal is a Liverpool fan, so maybe he is trying to weaken Arsenal when facing Liverpool later,
It seems to me that if a judge makes biased decisions in judging and his assessment ceases to be neutral, then such a judge should be immediately removed from the judicial role.

the controversy was further strengthened when there was a significant difference in the penalty received by Saliba and that received by Tosin in the Chelsea vs Liverpool match, to be honest when I saw Howard Webb in the VIP stands and speaking through the mic, it seems that there is indeed a conspiracy to prevent Arsenal be as championship, because in recent seasons Howard Webb has never been friendly towards Arsenal when he was a referee and even when he was he is served as chairman of PGMOL now,many referee decisions are actually detrimental to Arsenal.
Arsenal's defeats should not be blamed solely on faulty refereeing. Surely the team has problems if it loses to Bournemouth 2-0. 1 goal can be attributed to "a moment of weakness", but 2 is an indicator of systemic problems. Also, Arsenal have failed to emerge from the shadow of Manchester City for another season and are falling just short of the championship title. Or is this all connected with a conspiracy against Arsenal?
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Let me draw everyone's attention to this photo. This is a similar situation that I saw yesterday between Arsenal and Bournemouth which Saliba was given a red card. How come against Chelsea it became a yellow card?
 
It is so hard to believe that there must be an agenda against Arsenal. In all their games the ref is always hard on them. Just like an agreement before time.  Anyway, I cant question England's football because sometimes it is always a mystery in some games. Saliba will be missing their next game against Liverpool.

This is a straight red card no two discussions about this, it wasn’t about Arsenal been getting hard on because the three red cards that Arsenal have had this season are actually justified on the rules the only thing Arsenal needs to start complaining about is the referees actually lacked consistency in their decision making and are very bias towards other teams. Today they should have send out Tosin for the challenge because it was an obvious obstruction of goal, I was even surprised that they didn’t refer the referee to the monitor because it was the duty of VAR to correct that error and call for a red card.

The EPL has to work on its officiating skills because it's not appealing anymore. This is not the first time such things have happened in this season. In my own opinion, I want all rules to be taken seriously without any sentimental decisions from the referee. If you watch closely same incident in which a red card was given in other games will happen in another game and it won't be given or VAR won't be called to check on it. If a defender who is the last man stops a counter attack which is probably a goal opportunity should be given a red card then it should apply in all matters not only to a specific club. Sometimes i just get to say that the VAR system is not right most times.

In the case of Liverpool against Chelsea. That should have been a straight red card. Because he was the only defender with the player. The other defenders were very far from where the ball is and with not chances of meeting the ball. Inconsistency in officiating should stop before it starts looking like they have hidden agenda against some clubs in the EPL. Especially Arsenal.
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Teams don't need to have a stable coach before they can start performing better, Liverpool are competing for the title and their coach is a new one that hasn't coached the team before. When a coach is good, he can make a team to become tittle contenders even in his first season. Chelsea coach is a good coach and he has improved the Chelsea squad but there are still many things to do before the team will become title contenders as Arsenal has become. Chelsea goalkeeper is a big problem for Chelsea as he's one of the reasons why they lost against Liverpool. He was just giving the ball away and coyuld save the second goal from Liverpool.

Yeah Liverpool's coach Arne Slot is really doing an impressive job for the club even when he is just a new coach that took over from Jurgen klopp but he finds it easy to adapt to the team's nature of play very fast. If Arne Slot becomes more consistent he can be the major title contender against Manchester city because i don't see Arsenal strong enough to continue with that same energy they had for about two seasons which made them the toughest contender and runner-up against Manchester city.
      Chelsea's head coach Enzo Maresca is also doing a good job for Chelsea as the only two games he lost this season was against the two major title contenders currently which is Liverpool and Manchester city but he needs to strengthen his defenders more since that is the area they are having more loopholes. The match between Liverpool and Chelsea was a very interesting game even though Chelsea lost but despite the mistakes of the goalkeeper i still blame Chelsea defenders for creating loopholes that led to Liverpool players gaining easy access to score so it's not completely the fault of the goalkeeper.
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I don't think John Stones's late goal was just luck. It may seem like that, but actually, when the game was in the final minutes, composure and concentration played a major role. So whoever has more will have a greater chance of scoring a goal. Apart from that, I think Man City is definitely quite confident if they can turn things around, therefore they consistently put pressure on their opponents, so they have more space to build up, and when the opportunity comes, they will be able to make good use of it.
I agree with this because actually Liverpool were quite calm entering the match almost to the end so that the combination of attacks they made was successfully completed by John Stones to score a goal. Chelsea have done everything but it must be admitted that Liverpool are much more prepared to win the match. In another match, Man City were behind because they conceded first, but because of their calmness they finally managed to equalize and score an additional goal for victory.
Chelsea is in its game this season even though it lost to Liverpool with a score of 2-1 even though this defeat was a narrow defeat, but it was much more enough to close this match with a focus on the next match because Liverpool is still above Chelsea for this season and still needs time for Chelsea to be truly equal to Liverpool and Man City's game, even though Chelsea had to be displaced from its position at least they can restore their position in the next match, at least improve the game which I think is still lacking in defense and the opportunities achieved by Chelsea this season so that the opportunities obtained are not wasted later. the target of the next match is to get full points so that Chelsea's position is getting better and at least in the top 4 of the Premier League standings.
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Neither Liverpool nor Chelsea can be considered lucky in this game as both team had a really good play to the point i can say for a fact it was a very balanced game and such that can not be said one side played better and the winner was lucky, they did had good attempts and dominance at different points which made it  good reason enough for them to have almost equal chances, i even find it difficult to fault any position in that game as every was fully functional and productive, it was a good competition and exercise if strength as expected of both teams been of good caliber and interestingly Liverpool still tops the table.

Chelsea were clearly good at defending and not letting Liverpool score more than 2 goals. I mean 2-1 is still very reasonable and common but not for 7-0 hmmmmmm Cheesy you know that score is very embarrassing and unforgettable. Back to the performance of both teams the result that brought Liverpool to the top of the standings by forcing Man City to go down. If you pay attention Cole Palmer's role is quite minimal in this match, he really gets special guard from Liverpool players. Because Palmer if given too much space will be very troublesome.
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While the other problem is Ten Hag, the victory Man United over Brentford slightly postponed the issue of dissatisfaction with him. But it seems that this is only temporary. There will still be many difficult matches, if Man United get another bad result I think many supporters will tell Ten Hag to leave.

Every week, the only thing that Man United fans discuss is when Ten Hag will get fired, and not if he will get fired. Grin
IMO, you can't be Man United and celebrate a win against Brentford (no offense to Brentford supporters) in your home ground like you win the title. The team lacks chemistry, leadership, and a clear plan/ strategy. For everything, the biggest share of responsibility lies with Ten Hag. He is the manager, he has to be the captain, and he signs the players. Unless he didn't make these choices and somebody else is the real "captain." Undecided
One day Ten Hag will definitely part ways with Manchester United, either with his contract expiring or being fired during the season, it really depends on the team performance going forward. Ten Hag and his players receive criticism from fans almost every week, and they never get out of pressure, it's all caused by inconsistency. Of course the manager is the most responsible for all the chaos that occurs, because everything moves based on his instructions.
The victory over Brentford after failing to win in the previous five matches is certainly very encouraging, although it is not worth celebrating excessively, at least the fans can smile a little. For Ten Hag, the victory certainly means a lot, because he can breathe a sigh of relief with the hope that he will continue to be maintained by management.
The challenges ahead are getting tougher, where Manchester United need extra work to be able to win, beating Fenerbahce is certainly more difficult than beating Brentford.
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I agree with this because actually Liverpool were quite calm entering the match almost to the end so that the combination of attacks they made was successfully completed by John Stones to score a goal. Chelsea have done everything but it must be admitted that Liverpool are much more prepared to win the match. In another match, Man City were behind because they conceded first, but because of their calmness they finally managed to equalize and score an additional goal for victory.
Overall, a very good game from Chelsea, but they made several mistakes in defense and I think Liverpool could have scored more. Chelsea have a lot of desire, with Maresca they are on the right track, but unfortunately this defeat made the gap with Liverpool too big and now it is 7 points, it will not be easy to reduce it. For now, the main goal for Maresca should be to get into the top 4, and this is only 3 points and this task for Chelsea looks more realistic.
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Yep, Wolves was suffering lose streak and Manchester City is completely dominated the match, but they only scored 2 goals. There are so many chance Manchester City have, without Rodri and De Bruyne, they can have this kind performance is already good.

Wolves tend to play defensive when they meet Manchester City, that's why they have very low ball possession and only take advantage over counter attack.

The epic comeback made by Man City in this match proves that Man City really has a champion mentality. Even though they were behind first, it did not make them lose concentration, they remained focused on finding goals. In terms of ball possession, it seems that almost all matches in the EPL, Man City always dominates the game and their opponents are forced to implement a defensive strategy by only relying on counterattacks. Wolves in this match almost stole a point but unfortunately they conceded again in the final minutes by Stones, and I remember Stones had saved Man City twice in the final minutes.

This victory makes Man City will shadow the leader of the standings, Liverpool, and this makes the EPL even more exciting. But what I like about Wolves is that they always make Man City have difficulty in every match, although in the end Man City always has a way out because every line of Man City's game can score goals, but that's what makes the match even more interesting.
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Liverpool was lucky to have that penalty so early in the game as that changed everything and gave the momentum to Liverpool. Chelsea played so well despite being at Anfield that every club is always afraid to visit. Chelsea lost but they made the fans happy. When I was watching the game, I also was looking at social media and alot of individual are happy that Chelsea weren't afraid but played well against Liverpool. Chelsea had their chances to equaliser as Nkunku almost scored a goal at the closing hours of the match but he miss timed his runs and couldn't covert the chance. Look at the statistics, Chelsea were better but they couldn't score more goals.


It would not be wrong if Liverpool were said to be lucky in this match, because of the penalty they received. However, this match was fair so the penalty was of course the fault of the Chelsea players who were careless in saving their defensive area. Apart from that, in this match Chelsea played very well, because Chelsea dominated possession of the ball. Maybe if, for example, Chelsea could take advantage of all the opportunities they created in this match, I think Chelsea could draw or even win this match. However, it's a shame that the Chelsea players couldn't move freely in the Liverpool defense area, because the Liverpool defenders also played quite well in this match. Therefore, it was very difficult for Chelsea's forward players to make good use of opportunities when entering Liverpool's defense area. But even so, we should appreciate Chelsea's performance in this match. Because even though Chelsea is playing at Liverpool's headquarters, it can be seen that the Chelsea players are not at all afraid of facing Liverpool. So you can be sure that the mentality possessed by the Chelsea players is indeed very good. That's why we should appreciate it. Maybe if, for example, Chelsea can maintain its current good performance, I'm sure it won't be difficult for Chelsea to finish in the top 4 in the English league.
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Yep, Wolves was suffering lose streak and Manchester City is completely dominated the match, but they only scored 2 goals. There are so many chance Manchester City have, without Rodri and De Bruyne, they can have this kind performance is already good.

Wolves tend to play defensive when they meet Manchester City, that's why they have very low ball possession and only take advantage over counter attack.

It's really a shame for Wolves, they always play with consecutive defeats, but of course I see that despite that, Wolves always makes it difficult for the team that is playing against them, like Liverpool, where at that time, if there were no penalty kicks, the match could have ended in a draw and in the last one match. Wolves played Brentford with a score of 5-3, of course it was also exciting because Wolves were really able to score 3 goals, but of course Wolves controlled more of the ball, but unfortunately, Wolves lost that match with a score of 5-3.

Yes, the 2 goals scored by Manchester City in the match against Wolves were certainly good, because even without De Bruyne and Rodri, of course Manchester City could still play well, and indeed this is an extraordinary thing that Manchester City has shown. But yes, it was a shame that Haaland didn't score in that match, even though I really wanted to see him score.

Yes, the game shown by Wolves was defensive, but I see that is the right way to compete against Manchester City because if you use non-defensive techniques, I think Manchester city will definitely easily score lots of goals against Wolves. I think I'm curious about Wolves' next match and I'm sure Wolves will not be underestimated by the EPL team.
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Neither Liverpool nor Chelsea can be considered lucky in this game as both team had a really good play to the point i can say for a fact it was a very balanced game and such that can not be said one side played better and the winner was lucky, they did had good attempts and dominance at different points which made it  good reason enough for them to have almost equal chances, i even find it difficult to fault any position in that game as every was fully functional and productive, it was a good competition and exercise if strength as expected of both teams been of good caliber and interestingly Liverpool still tops the table.


Congratulations, Liverpool won but it was a bit strange. I saw the stats even Chelsea had better possession. Chelsea had more passes and were more accurate. This condition is quite good, meaning that Chelsea performed well even though they didn't win they were just ineffective. In addition, Chelsea goalkeeper Robert Sanchez performed below his best.


I agree. Chelsea lost narrowly to Liverpool. But, they showed they can compete for a top 4 spot. They were even equal with Liverpool, but the ref ruined their chance. They're always being robbed by the referee. It was a clear pen for Sancho after he was fouled by TAA in the penalty box.

The ref was totally blind. Corrupt PGMOL was always recruiting incompetent refs to handle the game. Hopefully, they can move on asap.
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I don't think John Stones's late goal was just luck. It may seem like that, but actually, when the game was in the final minutes, composure and concentration played a major role. So whoever has more will have a greater chance of scoring a goal. Apart from that, I think Man City is definitely quite confident if they can turn things around, therefore they consistently put pressure on their opponents, so they have more space to build up, and when the opportunity comes, they will be able to make good use of it.
I agree with this because actually Liverpool were quite calm entering the match almost to the end so that the combination of attacks they made was successfully completed by John Stones to score a goal. Chelsea have done everything but it must be admitted that Liverpool are much more prepared to win the match. In another match, Man City were behind because they conceded first, but because of their calmness they finally managed to equalize and score an additional goal for victory.
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While the other problem is Ten Hag, the victory Man United over Brentford slightly postponed the issue of dissatisfaction with him. But it seems that this is only temporary. There will still be many difficult matches, if Man United get another bad result I think many supporters will tell Ten Hag to leave.

Every week, the only thing that Man United fans discuss is when Ten Hag will get fired, and not if he will get fired. Grin
IMO, you can't be Man United and celebrate a win against Brentford (no offense to Brentford supporters) in your home ground like you win the title. The team lacks chemistry, leadership, and a clear plan/ strategy. For everything, the biggest share of responsibility lies with Ten Hag. He is the manager, he has to be the captain, and he signs the players. Unless he didn't make these choices and somebody else is the real "captain." Undecided
You are very correct and I've also been of the same opinion in all my previous comments that is related to this same topic.
I agree that discussions about Ten hag and when he is going to be relieved off his job of managing Manchester united may likely subside for now due to the team's recent performances against Aston Villa at first which they managed to hold Austin villa to a draw, and now, they defeated Brentford.
I personally will celebrate Manchester united's draw against Aston Villa much more than I will even consider them beating Brentford as an achievement to jubilate over.
Brentford is a small club with rather weak players, I would have been more surprised if Manchester united didn't win their match against, but all the same, it's good as it helped Ten Hag to keep his job atleast, the end of this season.
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Nottingham Forest vs Crystal Palace

The last match of week 8 will be helded today between Nottingham Forest vs Crystal Palace and although Nottingham Forest has just get 1 loses during this season but i couldn't says their performance were impressive because Nottingham Forest got too many draw results which is they got 4 times draw and this makes them losing points from previously matches so that's why Nottingham Forest position is out from top 10

For Crystal Palace i don't get it why this season they were so weak even their position currently at relegation zone with only collect 3 points from 7 matches but although from the recent performance Nottingham Forest is much better but i don't think they will be able to beat Crystal Palace moreover they still not consistent because they got too many gets draw results

According to the squad conditions for both teams i have seen some of players potentially will be absense and head to head statistics has been showed that in the last 3 meetings both teams have to playing draw and for this match too i think most likely it will ended to draw again and this option has high odds to bets @3.30 or under 2.5 goals also good pick
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Neither Liverpool nor Chelsea can be considered lucky in this game as both team had a really good play to the point i can say for a fact it was a very balanced game and such that can not be said one side played better and the winner was lucky, they did had good attempts and dominance at different points which made it  good reason enough for them to have almost equal chances, i even find it difficult to fault any position in that game as every was fully functional and productive, it was a good competition and exercise if strength as expected of both teams been of good caliber and interestingly Liverpool still tops the table.


Congratulations, Liverpool won but it was a bit strange. I saw the stats even Chelsea had better possession. Chelsea had more passes and were more accurate. This condition is quite good, meaning that Chelsea performed well even though they didn't win they were just ineffective. In addition, Chelsea goalkeeper Robert Sanchez performed below his best.

While the other problem is Ten Hag, the victory Man United over Brentford slightly postponed the issue of dissatisfaction with him. But it seems that this is only temporary. There will still be many difficult matches, if Man United get another bad result I think many supporters will tell Ten Hag to leave.
Quite rightly noted about Chelsea that it was Chelsea who had the initiative, but Liverpool won the game. Sanchez showed not the best match, but he is certainly not the main culprit of the defeat, because Liverpool scored goals after the counterattack, when Liverpool players passed the center of the field without resistance and I think that if Chelsea scored another goal and equalized the score, Liverpool could have scored more, because it was obvious that Liverpool did not play not at the limit of their capabilities, but as if saving energy.

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