Premier League Prediction Thread 2021/2022 - page 551.

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Quote from: mvdheuvel1983 on September 12, 2024, 02:57:44 PM

Manchester United used to be the biggest team in England but now that they are having a difficult time their fans will always talk about them till the team gets better. Southampton against Manchester United is going to be another big game and United will need to win to avoid seeing themselves occupying the bottom place in the league.

Man United is on downgrade.
Not only in their performance, but also in various aspects:
- Trophy decline, even though Man United has the most EPL trophies, but the last time was in 2012-2013. And after that, there were no more EPL trophies.
- Experiencing a financial decline, and that made Man United experience financial problems at several stages
- A very drastic decrease in value for Man United players.

Oh yeah, this might be a bit harsh, but some points, I think I agree enough. only maybe a few points, that seems excessive.

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Man United is on downgrade
Man United financial loss
Man United player down market value

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Quote from: Chilwell on September 12, 2024, 03:04:42 PM

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Seriously am tired of discussing Manchester United and their level of failure in the premier league. Can we just skip to other teams that are better to watch because nothing will ever change in Manchester United? From the coach to the players and everyone in that club they should be wiped out. It's becoming frustrating why Manchester United fans will never see to stop talking about their club for the past two weeks. Man U against Southampton its not the game we have on GW3 we have other games its better if we talk about them. Am tired of seeing the discussion all about Manchester United.

Manchester United is too big to be discussed in just few replies, a place were legend are build and their poor performance went beyond recognition, among the top Premier league teams only Chelsea and Man Utd are facing serious set back but Chelsea are gradually moving red light to green lights which make people to believe in their performance and expect thru the same thing with Man Utd but unfortunately they are not picking up to the level we expect them to be, so don't get tired of it at least in this kind of discussion possible solution can be getting to fix their problems.

There is no solution anyone will give here that will be noticed by the management of United because they already know the solution to Manchester united problem which is Ten Hag but the management has choose to give him more chance to see if he can improve the squad but i believe that Ten Hag will disappoint them.

Southampton is not a team that one should be doubting Manchester united capacity og winning the match but the fact is that no team is weak currently for Manchester united because they are finding it difficult to win their matches.

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Quote from: Hyphen(-) on September 12, 2024, 04:22:59 PM

Chelsea and Manchester United are two teams that was known for greatness and history, they are among the top Premier League teams almost every season but these days, they are not performing to the core, the legends the team has brought up are ashamed of the team’s performance because the team is not as serious as it used to be in the past. Nevertheless, they are trying to make adjustments but the managers they both have are not helping especially Ten Hag if Manchester United.

Manchester united you can blame as the team hasn't changed ownership but you can't blame Chelsea as the management that the team had that used to deliver for them before, they don't have them anymore. Things are completely different at Chelsea therefore the results they're getting lately is justifiable. They have tried to use money to cover up for the mess but it isn't working as they're not tackling the problem from the source but thinking that hiring new players and managers will make everything to be okay. Football has changed from how it used to be therefore for clubs that are still thinking in the old ways, will not be able to do anything in this current day.

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Quote from: skarais on September 12, 2024, 11:39:53 AM

If you want to bet on the Southampton vs Manchester United match, then you can still consider a draw or Manchester United winning over Southampton. Manchester United's winning probability is quite convincing in my opinion, but you can bet on a draw if you don't believe in the away team's chances of winning. I have confidence in Manchester United to win that match, it's good to just have fun.

Ten Hag will try to win the full 3 points in this away match following two previous defeats against Liverpool and Brighton. There is no reason for Ten Hag to remain silent on the sidelines and watch his team get beaten by a bottom team like Southampton, if he did then it would really be a shame for Ten Hag. He must find a definite solution so he can go home with a maximum of 3 points, including finding the right lineup and strategy.

Manchester United are the most unpredictable team in the premier league. On days when you feel they will get a loss from a particular game, they end up winning. Against Southampton, you can expect a two way result, any team to win or a draw. I don’t feel certain on which team exactly will win but I am rooting for Southampton. l doubt Manchester United will be motivated enough to get a win after two opening defeats in the league already this season.

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Quote from: Huppercase on September 12, 2024, 04:35:50 PM

Change is the constant thing we can't change. Just because a team were dominant in a league doesn't mean they will continue in that pattern because the players get changed and so is there ways of playing. Back then, Chelsea, Manchester United used to be the talk of town, it's either red or blue. I often see even Bike men here used their logo for fancy but because of poor performance from them, that trend doesn't happen here again and this why I said change is constant.

Mhannn, this was part of our lifestyle way back. I remember the good old days - everyone would go around with a huge flag, or a smaller one that served as a Monika for their teams...
I seen alot of ghastly accidents happening around the neighborhood, all for the love and passion for their clubs. I normally saw this practices as an insane one, although, I understood quite well the passion for their teams and everything.
I think the passion is exactly what made casinos thrive throughout these periods to this day.

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if these set of players are been used for some years and eventually sold and Manchester City doesn't get good replacement, then you should expect the worst performance from them[...]

Man City? Hehe... The team has got one of the most formidable teamplay and replacements on board. They've got their first team, second team (team b) and so on.. replacements and other new signings can keep them thriving for as long as the premier league remains competitive.

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Quote from: Chilwell on September 12, 2024, 03:04:42 PM

Manchester United is too big to be discussed in just few replies, a place were legend are build and their poor performance went beyond recognition, among the top Premier league teams only Chelsea and Man Utd are facing serious set back but Chelsea are gradually moving red light to green lights which make people to believe in their performance and expect thru the same thing with Man Utd but unfortunately they are not picking up to the level we expect them to be, so don't get tired of it at least in this kind of discussion possible solution can be getting to fix their problems.

Change is the constant thing we can't change. Just because a team were dominant in a league doesn't mean they will continue in that pattern because the players get changed and so is there ways of playing. Back then, Chelsea, Manchester United used to be the talk of town, it's either red or blue. I often see even Bike men here used their logo for fancy but because of poor performance from them, that trend doesn't happen here again and this why I said change is constant.

Even Manchester City that is beating almost all the team in the Premier League are still performing because of the grace of Rodri, Haaland, Kevin DB, Doku and Folden, if these set of players are been used for some years and eventually sold and Manchester City doesn't get good replacement, then you should expect the worst performance from them, even the fans will be complaining the way Chelsea and Manchester United are complaining right now.

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Quote from: skarais on September 12, 2024, 11:39:53 AM

If you want to bet on the Southampton vs Manchester United match, then you can still consider a draw or Manchester United winning over Southampton.

I agree with you, the match might end as a draw. I know it’s going to be a very difficult match for Manchester United. We all know that Manchester United are not in form currently, so when playing against weak teams, we shouldn’t just have confidence in them that they are going to win the match, the match should be a draw, or Manchester United should struggle to win the match. But if you are confident that Manchester United will win the match, then you might end up being disappointed.

Quote from: skarais on September 12, 2024, 11:39:53 AM

Manchester United's winning probability is quite convincing in my opinion, but you can bet on a draw if you don't believe in the away team's chances of winning.

When it comes to games like this, sometimes I don’t place bets on them because I don’t want a game that’s going to spoil my bet, but I might still take the risk that Manchester United will be winning, at least they should be able to score even a goal in the match.

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Quote from: Lida93 on September 12, 2024, 04:09:56 PM

One would have thought that by now Erik Ten Hag could have learnt his lessons but it's quite sad he's conservative with same tactics and techniques that are not yielding expected results and each time he's in front of the press his constant excuse for his poor decisions that have led to the underperformance of the club has been about having injury players in his team. Mehn! With this approach Manchester united ain't going to qualify for the UCL anytime soon until he adopts a different coaching model that works.

Ten Hag's coaching style and schemes on the pitch during matches cannot be changed quickly because in the end, even if Ten Hag is trusted as a coach again, it does not mean that he is trusted to change quickly because in the end, his character in coaching will not be replaced that quickly.

The conditions remain the same where I agree by saying that the tactics shown are quite conservative or rather it will not have too much effect in the EPL which although the tactics are suitable in the Eredivisie as he has done before but when it is used in the EPL of course the effect is not too significant.
Manchester United is still not improving and is unlikely to change significantly for this season even though they have brought in a lot of players this season.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on September 12, 2024, 04:01:59 PM

Very good signing for Liverpool, I really wished Arsenal considered him in the just concluded transfer window. Chiesa is a good addition to the club and it looks like he is quickly blending in with the team. Let’s hope injuries will not be a problem for him as he decides to take on this new challenge. Liverpool have good options already and won’t want to rush him in immediately although it would be beautiful to see him start and score on his debut for Liverpool.

Yes we will wait for his debut with Liverpool and I think this week there is a big chance that Arne slot will play Federico Chiesa when Liverpool face Nottingham Forest. Of course Liverpool's success in recruiting Chiesa is considered quite right because with a cheap price and also the player has quite good quality. However, regarding injuries, Chiesa often experiences it but we hope he will not experience bad luck at Liverpool.

In addition, Arne slot will have many players that he can play when he needs to rotate when the team is undergoing a busy schedule. If in the debut match Chiesa manages to show his good game, of course this will be an attraction for the coach to choose him compared to Nunez. Now the competition will be fiercer in winning the main place and Nunez must know it.

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Quote from: Chilwell on September 12, 2024, 03:04:42 PM

Manchester United is too big to be discussed in just few replies, a place were legend are build and their poor performance went beyond recognition, among the top Premier league teams only Chelsea and Man Utd are facing serious set back but Chelsea are gradually moving red light to green lights which make people to believe in their performance and expect thru the same thing with Man Utd but unfortunately they are not picking up to the level we expect them to be, so don't get tired of it at least in this kind of discussion possible solution can be getting to fix their problems.

Chelsea and Manchester United are two teams that was known for greatness and history, they are among the top Premier League teams almost every season but these days, they are not performing to the core, the legends the team has brought up are ashamed of the team’s performance because the team is not as serious as it used to be in the past. Nevertheless, they are trying to make adjustments but the managers they both have are not helping especially Ten Hag if Manchester United.

Chelsea is having a good transformation this season under Enzo Maresca, the team looks more serious this time because the players have started performing greatly and Maresca is aiming to bring a good change to the entire squad which I think will be a good one for Chelsea but it will take some time to achieve that.

Ten Hag on the other hand has been given all the chances he deserves, but yet he is not doing the right because the team is yet to take a perfect shape as expected despite all the money the management spent to bring in young talented players.
I think Manchester United will letter sack Ten Hag of he didn’t do well this season.

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I think you are sounding like a fan of Manchester United because from your write up one can easily see how you put so much emotion on your speech. Manchester United needs to be fair in their choice of players because that is one of the problems affecting the team.

Manchester United used to be the biggest team in England but now that they are having a difficult time their fans will always talk about them till the team gets better. Southampton against Manchester United is going to be another big game and United will need to win to avoid seeing themselves occupying the bottom place in the league.

I don't know, people keep talking about Manchester United these days. Actually Manchester United is not at their best, but they get so much attention from football fans. A big name, of course Manchester United is the team that has it, but so far it's just a name.

When a once glorious club in the EPL starts performing like a second-rated team then they won't escape from being talked about by everyone. I remember last season it was Chelsea FC that were the talk of the town about their poor and inconsistent performance and this season ETH Manchester united has taken the batting.

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I don't expect much this season from Manchester United, even if I had to pick them in a poll as title winners. At least one of my hopes for them is to qualify for the Champions League next season. Ten Hag has to do this as best he can, of course it's not easy, but he has to do something good throughout this season. The international break is over, we are ready to get back to action.

One would have thought that by now Erik Ten Hag could have learnt his lessons but it's quite sad he's conservative with same tactics and techniques that are not yielding expected results and each time he's in front of the press his constant excuse for his poor decisions that have led to the underperformance of the club has been about having injury players in his team. Mehn! With this approach Manchester united ain't going to qualify for the UCL anytime soon until he adopts a different coaching model that works.

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Quote from: bering on September 11, 2024, 01:26:56 PM

I am still waiting Federico Chiesa debut match with Liverpool because since bought from Juventus until now Arne Slot still didn't putting Federico Chiesa into Liverpool squad even when Liverpool win from Manchester United few weeks ago Federico Chiesa only watching Liverpool from the bench and the latest news i have heard is Federico Chiesa still training with Liverpool U-21 to restore his fitness condition and actually i still worried about his injured history so hopefully he will be in the good fitness during this season because Liverpool schedules is very tight so Liverpool will needed all of their current players however i still expect Federico Chiesa will be available when Liverpool playing against Nottingham Forest this weekend

Very good signing for Liverpool, I really wished Arsenal considered him in the just concluded transfer window. Chiesa is a good addition to the club and it looks like he is quickly blending in with the team. Let’s hope injuries will not be a problem for him as he decides to take on this new challenge. Liverpool have good options already and won’t want to rush him in immediately although it would be beautiful to see him start and score on his debut for Liverpool.

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Quote from: minairia3 on September 12, 2024, 12:02:59 PM

Manchester City winning the trophy this season is obviously a big possibility.
Unless the other teams actually start giving Manchester City a big competition instead of just pretending, Manchester City is going to win the English Premier League title again.

What have you seeing so far by predicting in that way, or it is because the Manchester City are now claim the top of standing? If yes I want you to know that this just the starting of the season; because I think it’s too early to Make this kind prediction against Manchester City, this season they will be a tough competition against three teams which are the Man united, Liverpool and Arsenal. Especially Arsenal are ready to fight any of their opponents in any angles.

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I hope Arsenal is actually going to give some competition to Manchester City this time.
Arsenal have already drawn one match. But I don’t want to be too harsh on them because this is just the start of the season.
We still still have the whole season left.
So far Liverpool looks good as well. I hope the other teams will be able to play well and praying results consistently.
Otherwise, it is going to be a very hard job for them to actually challenge Manchester City for the title.

Arsenal is ready this season to complete with any teams not only the Manchester City, now you said a better statement we don’t need to hash any of the teams that are not doing well for now: since the league has not gone far, but i know those teams I mentioned earlier will give each other tough competition.

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Quote from: Chilwell on September 12, 2024, 03:04:42 PM

Quote from: Dailyscript on September 12, 2024, 02:20:36 PM

Seriously am tired of discussing Manchester United and their level of failure in the premier league. Can we just skip to other teams that are better to watch because nothing will ever change in Manchester United? From the coach to the players and everyone in that club they should be wiped out. It's becoming frustrating why Manchester United fans will never see to stop talking about their club for the past two weeks. Man U against Southampton its not the game we have on GW3 we have other games its better if we talk about them. Am tired of seeing the discussion all about Manchester United.

Manchester United is too big to be discussed in just few replies, a place were legend are build and their poor performance went beyond recognition, among the top Premier league teams only Chelsea and Man Utd are facing serious set back but Chelsea are gradually moving red light to green lights which make people to believe in their performance and expect thru the same thing with Man Utd but unfortunately they are not picking up to the level we expect them to be, so don't get tired of it at least in this kind of discussion possible solution can be getting to fix their problems.

Maybe we should start saying that Manchester United was a big team because looking at their level of performance for quite some seasons now you can see that there is nothing big about the club anymore. I don't even see Chelsea that they are gradually escaping from their past underperforming records because since the season started we have since their back and forth performance but let's just say they are still in a very fair situation now till the season is halved then we can be able to vehemently draw a convincible analysis about the team's performance.
Southampton match against Manchester United is still in doubt if Manchester United can confidently win that match because they are yet to give a reliable performance but if they manage and win Southampton only then can we begin to anticipate further improvements from the club but for now let's keep our fingers crossed.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on September 12, 2024, 01:24:39 PM

Liverpool's performance has been good at the beginning of this season. but indeed a big challenge will soon come when the tight schedule they will do. but the competition with Man City will also experience the same problem.
last season Liverpool lost a lot of points to catch up with Man City and Arsenal. and they must avoid that this season if they want to compete for the trophy. I hope the competition this season will be tighter. some teams started very well, and it will only see who is more consistent.

Manchester City looks pretty strong compare to Liverpool and Arsenal, they are the only team of my favorite that I wouldn't compromised there game for another team, either straight win, over goals or win or draw x1 because right now none of their players has any injury and they don't lack any position right now but you see Arsenal, they don't have striker and Liverpool midfield is weaker than wander Waal force, if they meet other teams subsequently they will lose matches.

I'm thinking that even Arsenal might have a better place than Liverpool, I'm not blind to judge because of their Brighton fallout, they will go far but I'm not sure about going to reach Manchester City unless theirs is possibility of red cards and injuries we can't say much about. I can only imagined how Arsenal are going to celebrate this season if they manage to win Premier League this season. Grin

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Considering the level of inconsistency in the Manchester United team under Erik ten Hag, I don't think there's anything wrong with your opinion is absolutely valid. If Manchester City or Liverpool were to be the team that's facing Southampton this weekend, I'm very sure you'll have a different opinion but because it's Manchester United, there's every possibility that they'll be beaten by the Saints.

It's easy to tag the Red devil's to be one of the weakest teams in the EPL at the moment, but after seeing some of its players put up a good performance in the international games...I have a feeling this could be a turning point for for the Red Devils...and by the way it's not like Southampton themselves are in such a good form that it could guarantee them that victory that is being talked about, they need to put in the work to get a goal!

The funny thing is that I do not think that they are weakest, but I think they can be. The issue is that Doncaster was right, they can win this game 5-0 and I wouldn't be shocked at all, United has what it takes to beat Southampton that easily, and it wouldn't be a shock to me if they do get a win like that, but if they lose, I wouldn't be shocked at that neither, both look quite possible.

I mean sure City could lose to some small team too, but that would be a shocking result, everyone would say it would be unexpected to see City losing, it is not unexpected to see United losing, nor winning, both are equally possible. This is the problem that they are facing right now and I have no idea what they can do to stop that, it's definitely an issue. I feel like the best thing to do right now would be just focusing on what to do, and it would be something that could make a good return on betting, I am avoiding betting on United for a while longer, it's the best way to protect myself.

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Quote from: mvdheuvel1983 on September 12, 2024, 02:57:44 PM

Quote from: Dailyscript on September 12, 2024, 02:20:36 PM

I think you are sounding like a fan of Manchester United because from your write up one can easily see how you put so much emotion on your speech. Manchester United needs to be fair in their choice of players because that is one of the problems affecting the team.

Manchester United used to be the biggest team in England but now that they are having a difficult time their fans will always talk about them till the team gets better. Southampton against Manchester United is going to be another big game and United will need to win to avoid seeing themselves occupying the bottom place in the league.

I don't know, people keep talking about Manchester United these days. Actually Manchester United is not at their best, but they get so much attention from football fans. A big name, of course Manchester United is the team that has it, but so far it's just a name.

I don't expect much this season from Manchester United, even if I had to pick them in a poll as title winners. At least one of my hopes for them is to qualify for the Champions League next season. Ten Hag has to do this as best he can, of course it's not easy, but he has to do something good throughout this season. The international break is over, we are ready to get back to action.

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Quote from: Dailyscript on September 12, 2024, 02:20:36 PM

Seriously am tired of discussing Manchester United and their level of failure in the premier league. Can we just skip to other teams that are better to watch because nothing will ever change in Manchester United? From the coach to the players and everyone in that club they should be wiped out. It's becoming frustrating why Manchester United fans will never see to stop talking about their club for the past two weeks. Man U against Southampton its not the game we have on GW3 we have other games its better if we talk about them. Am tired of seeing the discussion all about Manchester United.

Manchester United is too big to be discussed in just few replies, a place were legend are build and their poor performance went beyond recognition, among the top Premier league teams only Chelsea and Man Utd are facing serious set back but Chelsea are gradually moving red light to green lights which make people to believe in their performance and expect thru the same thing with Man Utd but unfortunately they are not picking up to the level we expect them to be, so don't get tired of it at least in this kind of discussion possible solution can be getting to fix their problems.

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Quote from: Dailyscript on September 12, 2024, 02:20:36 PM

Seriously am tired of discussing Manchester United and their level of failure in the premier league. Can we just skip to other teams that are better to watch because nothing will ever change in Manchester United? From the coach to the players and everyone in that club they should be wiped out. It's becoming frustrating why Manchester United fans will never see to stop talking about their club for the past two weeks. Man U against Southampton its not the game we have on GW3 we have other games its better if we talk about them. Am tired of seeing the discussion all about Manchester United.

I think you are sounding like a fan of Manchester United because from your write up one can easily see how you put so much emotion on your speech. Manchester United needs to be fair in their choice of players because that is one of the problems affecting the team.

Manchester United used to be the biggest team in England but now that they are having a difficult time their fans will always talk about them till the team gets better. Southampton against Manchester United is going to be another big game and United will need to win to avoid seeing themselves occupying the bottom place in the league.

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Quote from: Slow death on September 12, 2024, 11:52:45 AM

it started to become visible that the club's owners were not prepared to manage the club and everything got worse because instead of selling the entire club, they only sold 27.7% to Sir Jim Ratcliffe and in practice the Glazers family is still in charge. Now Manchester United has 2 owners (Glazers and Sir Jim Ratcliffe), has 3 coaches ( Erik ten Hag Manager, René Hake Assistant Manager and Ruud van Nistelrooy Assistant Manager ), the whole club is at a very ridiculous. As long as Manchester United have these owners, they will not succeed. Unfortunately

I never knew much about Manchester United until you said all these about the club, but asking how so we come to conclusion that club owners are currently the issue behind the inability of the club to make progress, what has been their negative influence on the team, is it their choices of coaches after Alex or the class of players they sign, because I'm yet to see something solid to hold unto. If we are talking about management problems then Chelsea owners should be at the top of this clearly, they have made a lot of hard decisions that contributed to where they are now.

The much load to guarantee a successful career is not dependent on the coach or owners of the club but rather the output from each and every player on that team. In my own opinion, the owners are cleared, slightly for the coach but the players are required to carry all burdens.

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