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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on July 28, 2021, 05:53:27 AM

It is foolish to compare Manchester United with Arsenal. Manchester United may not have won the title, but their gameplay is much better than Arsenal's. Arsenal were very weak in the previous season. There are no star players in the team, moreover the team was unstable. The bonding between the players was not good. I didn't like their gameplay either.

Arsenal are not a bad team, it's just that the people from management don't want the team to win title I think. This can be seen clearly from the way they choose coach and players who will strengthen their first team throughout the season. I don't see them as a team that is very serious about winning title, they are much more interested in bringing in talented players to sell. Hopefully I'm wrong about this, but that's at least what I've seen so far.

You're not completely wrong because it is a visible fact the reason is Arsenal can't compete with other clubs the situation could change if Arsenal changed owners. For a clear title it's wrong because there is no team that doesn't want the title they just can't.

arsenal now is like a business ground for stan kroenke after successfully getting a majority stake in arsenal, the era of arsenal's collapse in my opinion occurred after arsenal moved from the higbury stadium and spent a lot of money to build emirates stadium, so arsenal is very easy to sell its star players in order to pay paid off the club's debt, but after all debts were paid off, stan kroenke still didn't want to spend a lot of money to buy players and preferred to orbit young players so that arsenal did not have the great fighting power to compete to be champions so far, as an arsenal fan, I really hope Arsenal can be taken over by another owner who really has a football soul in him.

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on July 28, 2021, 11:05:00 AM

You're not completely wrong because it is a visible fact the reason is Arsenal can't compete with other clubs the situation could change if Arsenal changed owners. For a clear title it's wrong because there is no team that doesn't want the title they just can't.

Yes, maybe they want to win the title but the effort they put in over the last few season looks mediocre. It looks like they don't really want to do it even though they are one of the team that give the English league a lot of color every season. The 2021/2022 season I hope Arsenal are much better, they are not a bad team and they have the ability too. The simple thing is Arsenal have to fight to get back up and prove they want to win title too.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on July 28, 2021, 09:48:28 AM

It looks like Chelsea are trying to sign Sevilla centre-back Jules Kounde (22) who has a £68.4m release clause. He has a contract running until 2024. I wonder whether Chelsea will have to pay this release clause or they will reach an agreement with Sevilla for a much lower price.

Another greatly overpriced player, in my opinion. He is very young, has not demonstrated much yet he gets a 68.4m release clause. He only saw two major European leagues, La Liga and Ligue 1 and therefore I would not value him more than 30m, which is already a very high figure to me.
It is true that these transfers are being made to cover some washing activities, otherwise I do not understand why they could happen.
Be aware I am not making this up, I am talking facts.
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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on July 28, 2021, 05:53:27 AM

It is foolish to compare Manchester United with Arsenal. Manchester United may not have won the title, but their gameplay is much better than Arsenal's. Arsenal were very weak in the previous season. There are no star players in the team, moreover the team was unstable. The bonding between the players was not good. I didn't like their gameplay either.

Arsenal are not a bad team, it's just that the people from management don't want the team to win title I think. This can be seen clearly from the way they choose coach and players who will strengthen their first team throughout the season. I don't see them as a team that is very serious about winning title, they are much more interested in bringing in talented players to sell. Hopefully I'm wrong about this, but that's at least what I've seen so far.

You're not completely wrong because it is a visible fact the reason is Arsenal can't compete with other clubs the situation could change if Arsenal changed owners. For a clear title it's wrong because there is no team that doesn't want the title they just can't.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on July 28, 2021, 05:53:27 AM

It is foolish to compare Manchester United with Arsenal. Manchester United may not have won the title, but their gameplay is much better than Arsenal's. Arsenal were very weak in the previous season. There are no star players in the team, moreover the team was unstable. The bonding between the players was not good. I didn't like their gameplay either.

Arsenal are not a bad team, it's just that the people from management don't want the team to win title I think. This can be seen clearly from the way they choose coach and players who will strengthen their first team throughout the season. I don't see them as a team that is very serious about winning title, they are much more interested in bringing in talented players to sell. Hopefully I'm wrong about this, but that's at least what I've seen so far.

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It looks like Chelsea are trying to sign Sevilla centre-back Jules Kounde (22) who has a £68.4m release clause. He has a contract running until 2024. I wonder whether Chelsea will have to pay this release clause or they will reach an agreement with Sevilla for a much lower price.

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I don't agree when I compare it to other clubs. I certainly compare with the history of the club, how it goes and the titles it has won. Every club wants to be a champion and win all the trophies. Seeing the history of Manchester United in the hands of coaches Sir Alex Ferguson, Mourinho, Moyes, Giggs, Van Gall. Then the glorious era of Manchester United while with Ferguson. And of course I remember very well after that they started to dim. I think a lot of fans are waiting for Ferguson's era to come again under a different coach and that hasn't been there yet.

At the moment it is very difficult to find a coach of the same skills or at least, similar with Ferguson. He seems to have calm when he is on the field and leading the players. He is also able to see the talent of young players who really have the potential to be developed to be a main players for team in the future. Currently, Olle and the coach after ferguson no one has managed to last long at Manchester United. However, it seems that there is trust given by MU to Olle, just how patient they are to wait for the champions to come to Old Trafford

Just chalk it up to ‘it happens’... Like Liverpool’s faded away during the 1980’s amd took decades for them to win a league trophy, I think it’s gonna be the same for United. Maybe not decades but it’s going to take while too esp with City, Chelsea and LFC all in the running to win the league.

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Quote from: gabbie2010 on July 26, 2021, 09:33:35 AM

If deal is done then I think defensively Man Utd will fair better the partnership duo of Maguire and Verane will be very Solid, well strengthened and stable this season, Verane is a world class and talented defender I believe he will bring his wealth of experience into the team just like Thiago Silva is doing in Chelsea, Man Utd will concede fewer goals this next if the two CB understand each other and as well cover for any lapses or errors committed by any one of them. I hope the two signings will improve the team defensively and will like to watch an improve Man Utd playing attacking football and well as dependable defenders covering DeGea from conceding many goals.

Man United has reached an agreement with Real Madrid for the transfer of Raphael Varane with an initial fee of £34m and an additional £8M (could rise to £42m) but Varane has to undergo medical tests first. With Varane's move to Man United, Man United's backline will become more solid. There are rumors if Man United will also sign Atletico Madrid right-back Keiran Trippier (currently still in negotiations).

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Quote from: Luzin on July 28, 2021, 07:36:05 AM

I don't agree when I compare it to other clubs. I certainly compare with the history of the club, how it goes and the titles it has won. Every club wants to be a champion and win all the trophies. Seeing the history of Manchester United in the hands of coaches Sir Alex Ferguson, Mourinho, Moyes, Giggs, Van Gall. Then the glorious era of Manchester United while with Ferguson. And of course I remember very well after that they started to dim. I think a lot of fans are waiting for Ferguson's era to come again under a different coach and that hasn't been there yet.

At the moment it is very difficult to find a coach of the same skills or at least, similar with Ferguson. He seems to have calm when he is on the field and leading the players. He is also able to see the talent of young players who really have the potential to be developed to be a main players for team in the future. Currently, Olle and the coach after ferguson no one has managed to last long at Manchester United. However, it seems that there is trust given by MU to Olle, just how patient they are to wait for the champions to come to Old Trafford

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If you want to understand football progress, compare Arsenal and Arteta with the FA Cup win and their past 2 seasons; Then Compare Ole and Manchester United and the past two years. Which team has progressed?

I think to compare it only the last 2 seasons are not accurate, MU doesn't have a title in that between while Arsenal has the FA cup in 2020. Better to compare it to many years when MU has 4 Premier League titles in a row, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, and champions league 2007–08. while Arsenal 2003–04 but of course they are good on the FA cup when having the title in a row 2013–14, 2014–15, 2016–17, and barren title on the champion league.

It's very possible they have a different focus, we can't make the benchmark of Arsenal's achievement by getting the FA title is a success too. After all, in the last two seasons Manchester United can finish better than Arsenal on the Premier League leaderboard. So for me, these achievements cannot be a comparison because it is very possible that both of them have different focuses and of course with these differences their targets are also different and both are successful according to their own targets.

It is foolish to compare Manchester United with Arsenal. Manchester United may not have won the title, but their gameplay is much better than Arsenal's. Arsenal were very weak in the previous season. There are no star players in the team, moreover the team was unstable. The bonding between the players was not good. I didn't like their gameplay either.

In the previous season, Arsenal had a very bad season and received a lot of attention from netizens, not even a few of which made Arsenal the subject of ridicule on social media.
Yes, although Manchester Unitade did not win the title but everyone will judge from the game that Manchester Unitad is much better than Arsenal, and Arsenal failed to qualify for the Champions League for five consecutive seasons.

The Arsenal team seems to be in financial crisis. Moreover, I think there is an internal conflict between the management and the players of the team. They failed to perform well in the previous season, moreover they clashed with Mesut Ozil. Ozil was a very important player for them. If there is an internal problem in the team then it is difficult for that team to perform well.

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Quote from: youdacapt on July 27, 2021, 04:52:59 PM

If you want to understand football progress, compare Arsenal and Arteta with the FA Cup win and their past 2 seasons; Then Compare Ole and Manchester United and the past two years. Which team has progressed?

The Premier League 2021/2022 will be immense!

I don't agree when I compare it to other clubs. I certainly compare with the history of the club, how it goes and the titles it has won. Every club wants to be a champion and win all the trophies. Seeing the history of Manchester United in the hands of coaches Sir Alex Ferguson, Mourinho, Moyes, Giggs, Van Gall. Then the glorious era of Manchester United while with Ferguson. And of course I remember very well after that they started to dim. I think a lot of fans are waiting for Ferguson's era to come again under a different coach and that hasn't been there yet.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on July 28, 2021, 05:53:27 AM

It is foolish to compare Manchester United with Arsenal. Manchester United may not have won the title, but their gameplay is much better than Arsenal's. Arsenal were very weak in the previous season. There are no star players in the team, moreover the team was unstable. The bonding between the players was not good. I didn't like their gameplay either.

Aubameyang may well be considered the star of Arsenal, but this is certainly not enough for great results. If we compare the rosters of Manchester United and Aresenal, then the difference in the level of players is very large. I'm not talking about the comparison of the lineups Arsenal with Manchester City, or Leverpool. And in Arsenal there are no significant changes that could affect the fact that the club will play better in the new season.

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Quote from: bitzizzix on July 28, 2021, 06:36:10 AM

In the previous season, Arsenal had a very bad season and received a lot of attention from netizens, not even a few of which made Arsenal the subject of ridicule on social media.
Yes, although Manchester Unitade did not win the title but everyone will judge from the game that Manchester Unitad is much better than Arsenal, and Arsenal failed to qualify for the Champions League for five consecutive seasons.

I don't have impression with what Solskjaer does in Manchester United. He relies on his players and almost unable to make important substitutions that can change matches.

He gives Pogba too much freedom to show his selfishness and does not give Bruno Fernadez some rest in unimportant matches. All of that shows that Solskjaer is not a big coach, at least now.

Arsenal are in bad direction and let's see how Arteta can change it for them. 2 or 3 more seasons for him to build up Arsenal squad.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on July 28, 2021, 05:53:27 AM

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If you want to understand football progress, compare Arsenal and Arteta with the FA Cup win and their past 2 seasons; Then Compare Ole and Manchester United and the past two years. Which team has progressed?

I think to compare it only the last 2 seasons are not accurate, MU doesn't have a title in that between while Arsenal has the FA cup in 2020. Better to compare it to many years when MU has 4 Premier League titles in a row, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, and champions league 2007–08. while Arsenal 2003–04 but of course they are good on the FA cup when having the title in a row 2013–14, 2014–15, 2016–17, and barren title on the champion league.

It's very possible they have a different focus, we can't make the benchmark of Arsenal's achievement by getting the FA title is a success too. After all, in the last two seasons Manchester United can finish better than Arsenal on the Premier League leaderboard. So for me, these achievements cannot be a comparison because it is very possible that both of them have different focuses and of course with these differences their targets are also different and both are successful according to their own targets.

It is foolish to compare Manchester United with Arsenal. Manchester United may not have won the title, but their gameplay is much better than Arsenal's. Arsenal were very weak in the previous season. There are no star players in the team, moreover the team was unstable. The bonding between the players was not good. I didn't like their gameplay either.

In the previous season, Arsenal had a very bad season and received a lot of attention from netizens, not even a few of which made Arsenal the subject of ridicule on social media.
Yes, although Manchester Unitade did not win the title but everyone will judge from the game that Manchester Unitad is much better than Arsenal, and Arsenal failed to qualify for the Champions League for five consecutive seasons.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on July 28, 2021, 05:53:27 AM

It is foolish to compare Manchester United with Arsenal. Manchester United may not have won the title, but their gameplay is much better than Arsenal's. Arsenal were very weak in the previous season. There are no star players in the team, moreover the team was unstable. The bonding between the players was not good. I didn't like their gameplay either.

Arsenal got troubles since last seasons of Arsene Wenger and until now, they can not resolve it too well. They have spent more money for transfers since the record transfer of Metsut Ozil but they did not get good results so far. Some good players contribute good in first one to three seasons but generally they can not change the whole team.

Additionally, it is not only star players but the whole team are unstable in their performances. After the era of Sir. Alex and Wenger, Manchester United have better seasons than Arsenal. Even they both did not win any Premier League after retirement of those legendary coaches.

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Quote from: hahay on July 28, 2021, 01:48:48 AM

Quote from: blue Snow on July 28, 2021, 01:05:57 AM

Quote from: youdacapt on July 27, 2021, 04:52:59 PM

If you want to understand football progress, compare Arsenal and Arteta with the FA Cup win and their past 2 seasons; Then Compare Ole and Manchester United and the past two years. Which team has progressed?

I think to compare it only the last 2 seasons are not accurate, MU doesn't have a title in that between while Arsenal has the FA cup in 2020. Better to compare it to many years when MU has 4 Premier League titles in a row, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, and champions league 2007–08. while Arsenal 2003–04 but of course they are good on the FA cup when having the title in a row 2013–14, 2014–15, 2016–17, and barren title on the champion league.

It's very possible they have a different focus, we can't make the benchmark of Arsenal's achievement by getting the FA title is a success too. After all, in the last two seasons Manchester United can finish better than Arsenal on the Premier League leaderboard. So for me, these achievements cannot be a comparison because it is very possible that both of them have different focuses and of course with these differences their targets are also different and both are successful according to their own targets.

It is foolish to compare Manchester United with Arsenal. Manchester United may not have won the title, but their gameplay is much better than Arsenal's. Arsenal were very weak in the previous season. There are no star players in the team, moreover the team was unstable. The bonding between the players was not good. I didn't like their gameplay either.

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Quote from: blue Snow on July 28, 2021, 01:05:57 AM

Quote from: youdacapt on July 27, 2021, 04:52:59 PM

If you want to understand football progress, compare Arsenal and Arteta with the FA Cup win and their past 2 seasons; Then Compare Ole and Manchester United and the past two years. Which team has progressed?

I think to compare it only the last 2 seasons are not accurate, MU doesn't have a title in that between while Arsenal has the FA cup in 2020. Better to compare it to many years when MU has 4 Premier League titles in a row, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, and champions league 2007–08. while Arsenal 2003–04 but of course they are good on the FA cup when having the title in a row 2013–14, 2014–15, 2016–17, and barren title on the champion league.

both teams have their respective eras of glory so comparing the two teams is certainly not a good thing in my opinion, currently MU has collected around 44 championship trophies while arsenal only has 31 trophies, in terms of trophy acquisition of course MU is superior to arsenal, but we also should not underestimate arsenal who were able to break the record as unbeaten champions in 2003/04, besides that only a few clubs in the English league have been able to continue to compete in the top 4 standings so far only by relying on young players and also little money to buy player.

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Quote from: blue Snow on July 28, 2021, 01:05:57 AM

Quote from: youdacapt on July 27, 2021, 04:52:59 PM

If you want to understand football progress, compare Arsenal and Arteta with the FA Cup win and their past 2 seasons; Then Compare Ole and Manchester United and the past two years. Which team has progressed?

I think to compare it only the last 2 seasons are not accurate, MU doesn't have a title in that between while Arsenal has the FA cup in 2020. Better to compare it to many years when MU has 4 Premier League titles in a row, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, and champions league 2007–08. while Arsenal 2003–04 but of course they are good on the FA cup when having the title in a row 2013–14, 2014–15, 2016–17, and barren title on the champion league.

It's very possible they have a different focus, we can't make the benchmark of Arsenal's achievement by getting the FA title is a success too. After all, in the last two seasons Manchester United can finish better than Arsenal on the Premier League leaderboard. So for me, these achievements cannot be a comparison because it is very possible that both of them have different focuses and of course with these differences their targets are also different and both are successful according to their own targets.

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Quote from: youdacapt on July 27, 2021, 04:52:59 PM

If you want to understand football progress, compare Arsenal and Arteta with the FA Cup win and their past 2 seasons; Then Compare Ole and Manchester United and the past two years. Which team has progressed?

I think to compare it only the last 2 seasons are not accurate, MU doesn't have a title in that between while Arsenal has the FA cup in 2020. Better to compare it to many years when MU has 4 Premier League titles in a row, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, and champions league 2007–08. while Arsenal 2003–04 but of course they are good on the FA cup when having the title in a row 2013–14, 2014–15, 2016–17, and barren title on the champion league.

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According to ESPN, Manchester Utd are ready to accept offers for their eight players including Anthony Martial, Daniel James and Phil Jones.

To be honest, I don't like Anthony Martial's game much. He hasn't been very helpful for the team. He is quite clumsy when it comes to scoring goals. He's still young (25) actually but I don't know if he could develop more here. Maybe going to another team would be really helpful for him. We have a Lukaku example, for example. He is much better at Inter now.

Personally, I believe that Martial is a very good player but not for Man Utd style/ kind of play. I also think that it will be a good move for him and the club to get a transfer. Maybe to another league as well. Lukaku is another story. Different position with a different kind of play and in a totally different league. Even if he played better in Inter than the Man Utd days, I believe that he could have a place and become better. For Daniel James, it would be great to loan him out and not giving him with regular transfer. Phil Jones was expected to be on their transfer list, especially now with the arrival of Varane. By the way, great move for Man Utd.

I believe if Anthony Martial go to another club,he will do well because the pattern of football Man-u plays seems not to suit him.He was very good at his former club before they signed him,but he turned to a flop at Man-u.Allowing him go is the best thing that should be done.I use to admire him alot because he has pace and can also dribble,but if he leaves,it will be better for him and Man-U.

The signing and arrival of Sancho will definitely limit the playing time of Anthony Martial in Man Utd the best option for him now is to leave and find another club that suit his style of play after-all there are other players who didn't perform well during their short spell in Man Utd but left and enjoy a playing time regularly in their new clubs respectively players like Depay and Angel Demaria, I expect Martial to follow their footstep he is not a bad player he is very talented and with age on his side, he still have much to offer in his found club, I am quite sure of his possibly getting a better offer from other well establihed clubs in Europe apart from EPL provided that they both reach a contract agreement

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