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Quote from: -CryptoViking- on October 11, 2020, 05:22:05 PM

I agree with you that coach needs time to build the squad, affirm young players into men, create a mindset for the entire team, but coach needs to have ability and skills for that.
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After Ferguson retired in 2013, there are five coaches who have worked with Mancester United. If I'm not mistaken, the average lasted almost two years, except for Ryan Giggs, who at that time replaced Moyes. Of the five coaches, the one who gave the most trophies was only Jose Mourinho with three titles with a coaching period of two years, in my opinion it's actually not bad. From this history I can see that management seemed to have ambitions of winning in such a short time but it was not working. But I don't know why this still (may) continue. They don't try to change their pattern (management).

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The team that Pep Guardiola takes charge of seems to get a new life. He really knows magic. I really enjoy Man City's match. It hurts when they lose, but I’ve never been so bored watching them play. I'm annoyed to see Man Utd's match in this season. I expect a big change for their team in the next match. Otherwise they will lose more match and they will not be in the top 5 of the point table in this season.

That's the thing. Being funded is one thing, knowing and buying the players that would suit your desired formation and style of play is another thing. They all come together to present a master piece of football. Hence, after buying your desired players and yet, you aren't getting results, it's always going to be you to blame. Not the players even. At times players takes the coaches to heart and just want to do away with them by their attitude on the pitch no doubt but it still revolves around the coach and how he relates with his players. I know this might not be the case of Manchester United but let's look at Klopp and the way he relates with his team, it's quite a father and sons relationship I see there and as such, the result often comes out beautifully.
A fan of Manchester United goes into the arena or a game center and is already heart broken even before the games starts. So undesirable and shouldn't be. The team under this management is really not reliable at the games.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on October 12, 2020, 10:44:32 AM

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Quote from: masulum on October 11, 2020, 06:07:50 AM

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here I don't understand with MU management, i think they are too early to decide to sacking Mou. (IMI)

I think it's not just management, supporters sometimes have the power to get the coach out. I've heard that Solskjaer has a lot more pressure after the big loss from Spurs. Then MU management began to approach Mauricio Pochetino to replace him. A difficult transition period after Ferguson retired. I think the coach needs time to win😅 especially when MU is filled with young players.

The management needs to spend money on the player and hire young talents from teams that promote them such as Ajax for example.

The management spent £200m last season on three players so how is it management's fault and not Ole's fault? that the team is performing badly.

Manutd young players are performing badly in their respective youth leagues I don't see any hope of getting any yourh talent

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Quote from: Naida_BR on October 12, 2020, 10:44:32 AM

After Ferguson retired the whole Manchester United team changed.
In my opinion, it is not Solskjaer fault that the team is bad - even the fact that I do not like Ole Gunnar I still think that Man Utd will have the same results with Pochettino as well.
The management needs to spend money on the player and hire young talents from teams that promote them such as Ajax for example.

There would always be a big drop off after such a great coach leaves. The only way to solve the mess they’re in is to get rid of Solksjaer but because he’s a club legend it’s difficult, they can’t just cast him aside. They need to treat him with respect.

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On top of it just want to say one thing. How many managers they had after Ferguson left? They had David Moyes, van Gaal, Mourinho and now Ole. Do you think manager is the problem? It's more than that.

Sir Fergie have good strategy and he get trust from MU boards. even he fail to bring any title, MU still keep him to manage. Maybe current condition in MU not just because of coach, they need to give a chance to every coach as they give to Fergie. or, maybe the problem also come from the inside of board management. In Mourinho era, they still get a title, even not EPL title yet, here I don't understand with MU management, i think they are too early to decide to sacking Mou. (IMI)

IMO it shows that MU management want instant great achievement from any new coach they hired since Sir Alex decided to retire.
They forget that they cant get great achievement just by hiring good manager or even buy many good talented players.
Obviously it is not just a matter of "who is the manager" but it is a combination between good strategy from the manager and team work from the players.
I think it will happen again and again, even if there is another new manager to replace Ole, then the management will put a high expectation on the other new manager.
So I do think that there is also something wrong with the management as well.

I think the central problem is in the coach, if Manchester United had a coach like Pep Guardiola and changed the entire Manchester United team we would see a Manchester United that would play much better and win more championships. Manchester United players play in a way that looks like they are sabotaging the coach, there are times when I get angry at how they play. I watch Manchester City games, they can lose but there is a way to play I like to watch, so does Chelsea who can lose the game but they play well in my opinion. But manchester united doesn't have a good way of playing

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Quote from: AakZaki on October 11, 2020, 11:45:24 AM

Quote from: masulum on October 11, 2020, 06:07:50 AM

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here I don't understand with MU management, i think they are too early to decide to sacking Mou. (IMI)

I think it's not just management, supporters sometimes have the power to get the coach out. I've heard that Solskjaer has a lot more pressure after the big loss from Spurs. Then MU management began to approach Mauricio Pochetino to replace him. A difficult transition period after Ferguson retired. I think the coach needs time to win😅 especially when MU is filled with young players.

After Ferguson retired the whole Manchester United team changed.
In my opinion, it is not Solskjaer fault that the team is bad - even the fact that I do not like Ole Gunnar I still think that Man Utd will have the same results with Pochettino as well.
The management needs to spend money on the player and hire young talents from teams that promote them such as Ajax for example.

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hmph..

Quote from: panjul07 on October 11, 2020, 10:56:36 AM

I think it will happen again and again, even if there is another new manager to replace Ole, then the management will put a high expectation on the other new manager.
So I do think that there is also something wrong with the management as well.

Yes, I agree, if club want instant results, may they need to learn to PSG, they have a money, bringing top staff and coach for the clubs and re-build club. but, it will depend on competition, League1 is not soo competitive as EPL, so easy for PSG to get instant result to become champions in local, but they are just recently can go to final UCL last season, but never won the title Grin

Quote from: AakZaki on October 11, 2020, 11:45:24 AM

I think it's not just management, supporters sometimes have the power to get the coach out.

Supporters do have a role in urging management to fire coaches. But, if management is willing to give time for the coach to manage the team well in accordance with their character and the strategy, then no matter how supporter giving pressure to management, they will not be able to make the club sacked coach. Adaptation need time, sure lucky for club who can adapt with new manager in short time.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on October 11, 2020, 10:24:24 PM

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Quote from: tsaroz on October 10, 2020, 12:11:02 AM

But Most of them have played 4 games and the table still looks unimaginable. Neither Everton nor Aston Villa had won the premier league in my lifetime.

They have played 3 or 4 times. Indeed, the premier league table looks quite different than previously. Even if you check the position of Man. City and Man. United, it is a surprising thing that happened at the beginning of this season. How can Man. United in 16th place and Man. City in 14th place? For me, it is a very bad start for these two big clubs.

- Man. City: 1W, 1D, 1L
- Man. United: 1W, 2L

Yep, if we look at the performance of all the clubs so far, Everton & Aston Villa are the best ones. It's quite surprising, but it is the fact happening today.

Man City and Man Utd have started their season is really a bad way. I didn’t expect this type of bad starting from a big club like them. There is still a long way to go. Nome of us can predict what will happen in the future. Maybe they can correct their mistakes and try to perform better in the upcoming matches.

Well, that's how Liverpool started badly, if they plan to be first, we'll see what they will do with Everton, the team that is first. Man U. should be happy that he is not in the relegation zone with a game like that, you remember against Brighton when they hit the crossbar and the tripod five times, and in the end Man U. won.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on October 11, 2020, 06:14:03 PM

Quote from: tsaroz on October 10, 2020, 12:11:02 AM

But Most of them have played 4 games and the table still looks unimaginable. Neither Everton nor Aston Villa had won the premier league in my lifetime.

They have played 3 or 4 times. Indeed, the premier league table looks quite different than previously. Even if you check the position of Man. City and Man. United, it is a surprising thing that happened at the beginning of this season. How can Man. United in 16th place and Man. City in 14th place? For me, it is a very bad start for these two big clubs.

- Man. City: 1W, 1D, 1L
- Man. United: 1W, 2L

Yep, if we look at the performance of all the clubs so far, Everton & Aston Villa are the best ones. It's quite surprising, but it is the fact happening today.

Man City and Man Utd have started their season is really a bad way. I didn’t expect this type of bad starting from a big club like them. There is still a long way to go. Nome of us can predict what will happen in the future. Maybe they can correct their mistakes and try to perform better in the upcoming matches.

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Quote from: tsaroz on October 10, 2020, 12:11:02 AM

But Most of them have played 4 games and the table still looks unimaginable. Neither Everton nor Aston Villa had won the premier league in my lifetime.

They have played 3 or 4 times. Indeed, the premier league table looks quite different than previously. Even if you check the position of Man. City and Man. United, it is a surprising thing that happened at the beginning of this season. How can Man. United in 16th place and Man. City in 14th place? For me, it is a very bad start for these two big clubs.

- Man. City: 1W, 1D, 1L
- Man. United: 1W, 2L

Yep, if we look at the performance of all the clubs so far, Everton & Aston Villa are the best ones. It's quite surprising, but it is the fact happening today.

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Quote from: AakZaki on October 11, 2020, 11:45:24 AM

I think it's not just management, supporters sometimes have the power to get the coach out. I've heard that Solskjaer has a lot more pressure after the big loss from Spurs. Then MU management began to approach Mauricio Pochetino to replace him. A difficult transition period after Ferguson retired. I think the coach needs time to win😅 especially when MU is filled with young players.

I agree with you that coach needs time to build the squad, affirm young players into men, create a mindset for the entire team, but coach needs to have ability and skills for that. Ole does not unfortunately. Ole leaving is just a matter of time, by prolonging it they are harming the club from my perspective.Pochetino is a good choice if they plan to give him time and place some trust in him like they tried with Ole.

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Quote from: masulum on October 11, 2020, 06:07:50 AM

~snip~
here I don't understand with MU management, i think they are too early to decide to sacking Mou. (IMI)

I think it's not just management, supporters sometimes have the power to get the coach out. I've heard that Solskjaer has a lot more pressure after the big loss from Spurs. Then MU management began to approach Mauricio Pochetino to replace him. A difficult transition period after Ferguson retired. I think the coach needs time to win😅 especially when MU is filled with young players.

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It's Sir Bobby Charlton birthday today !! Cheesy

and here is Patrice Evra sending in a classic tweet Lol Grin

Quote from: panjul07 on October 11, 2020, 10:56:36 AM

I think it will happen again and again, even if there is another new manager to replace Ole, then the management will put a high expectation on the other new manager.
So I do think that there is also something wrong with the management as well.

Yes it will happen again and again. I still read somewhere that Man Utd. weren't able to land any of Ole's transfer targets but they got something else. Cheesy

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Quote from: Avirunes on October 11, 2020, 05:04:47 AM

On top of it just want to say one thing. How many managers they had after Ferguson left? They had David Moyes, van Gaal, Mourinho and now Ole. Do you think manager is the problem? It's more than that.

Sir Fergie have good strategy and he get trust from MU boards. even he fail to bring any title, MU still keep him to manage. Maybe current condition in MU not just because of coach, they need to give a chance to every coach as they give to Fergie. or, maybe the problem also come from the inside of board management. In Mourinho era, they still get a title, even not EPL title yet, here I don't understand with MU management, i think they are too early to decide to sacking Mou. (IMI)

IMO it shows that MU management want instant great achievement from any new coach they hired since Sir Alex decided to retire.
They forget that they cant get great achievement just by hiring good manager or even buy many good talented players.
Obviously it is not just a matter of "who is the manager" but it is a combination between good strategy from the manager and team work from the players.
I think it will happen again and again, even if there is another new manager to replace Ole, then the management will put a high expectation on the other new manager.
So I do think that there is also something wrong with the management as well.

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on October 11, 2020, 03:30:03 AM

However are we forgetting what happened last year? Dude saved this teams chances and made them third in the league, THIRD, that has to be considered for something at the very least if you ask me and you can't fire a manager after just 3 games, not after a season when he brought you to champions league to begin with. I would say logical step would be firing him after this season is over and if you are still unhappy but if you do not show patience towards managers they will never grow to be great.

The thing is, Sir Alex set up that high cornerstone for Manchester United and any successor would be expected to meet that expectation. Even Mourinho that managed to win the Europa League was not consider as good enough for the team. Its more of getting the right player for the team rather than getting the right manager for the job but it seems that the management boards doesnt really care about that stuff

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Quote from: masulum on October 11, 2020, 06:07:50 AM

Sir Fergie have good strategy and he get trust from MU boards. even he fail to bring any title, MU still keep him to manage. Maybe current condition in MU not just because of coach, they need to give a chance to every coach as they give to Fergie. or, maybe the problem also come from the inside of board management. In Mourinho era, they still get a title, even not EPL title yet, here I don't understand with MU management, i think they are too early to decide to sacking Mou. (IMI)

One thing we've got to realise is that, it's not just about having entertainment and it's business as well. Having that in mind, the performance of a team because of a great interest amongst the management board. This is why, funds are been realized to ensure the quality of players in the team is improved upon. Let's take a look at manchester city before Gaurdiola came in as Coach, they weren't title contenders to me, the club was a mess until Gaurdiola came in and was properly funded and given liberty to transform the club to the master piece it is today.
If the manager has been given this much fund and liberty and yet his not getting good results, a sack doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. It's business and besides, the players are been paid including the manager too.

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hmph..

Quote from: Avirunes on October 11, 2020, 05:04:47 AM

On top of it just want to say one thing. How many managers they had after Ferguson left? They had David Moyes, van Gaal, Mourinho and now Ole. Do you think manager is the problem? It's more than that.

Sir Fergie have good strategy and he get trust from MU boards. even he fail to bring any title, MU still keep him to manage. Maybe current condition in MU not just because of coach, they need to give a chance to every coach as they give to Fergie. or, maybe the problem also come from the inside of board management. In Mourinho era, they still get a title, even not EPL title yet, here I don't understand with MU management, i think they are too early to decide to sacking Mou. (IMI)

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on October 11, 2020, 03:30:03 AM

I do not really understand how fans can turn on people so quickly and so suddenly due to few bad results. I understand that United didn't started the season that convincingly and that is why you might feel like there is a chance OLE should be fired so that someone better can come along and make the team better, if I was looking only at this year I would feel the same way as well.

However are we forgetting what happened last year? Dude saved this teams chances and made them third in the league, THIRD, that has to be considered for something at the very least if you ask me and you can't fire a manager after just 3 games, not after a season when he brought you to champions league to begin with. I would say logical step would be firing him after this season is over and if you are still unhappy but if you do not show patience towards managers they will never grow to be great.

Exactly^^

On top of it just want to say one thing. How many managers they had after Ferguson left? They had David Moyes, van Gaal, Mourinho and now Ole. Do you think manager is the problem? It's more than that.

Here Patrice Evra also talks about the same thing: https://youtu.be/5ZiNNlZF7jg

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I do not really understand how fans can turn on people so quickly and so suddenly due to few bad results. I understand that United didn't started the season that convincingly and that is why you might feel like there is a chance OLE should be fired so that someone better can come along and make the team better, if I was looking only at this year I would feel the same way as well.

However are we forgetting what happened last year? Dude saved this teams chances and made them third in the league, THIRD, that has to be considered for something at the very least if you ask me and you can't fire a manager after just 3 games, not after a season when he brought you to champions league to begin with. I would say logical step would be firing him after this season is over and if you are still unhappy but if you do not show patience towards managers they will never grow to be great.

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Mane had covid, he isn’t injured, he will be back for them after the international break. Thiago & Henderson will be back too, I think Liverpool will respond to their humiliation against Aston Villa & beat Everton.

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Definitely, we will get back to winning ways. Liverpool would want to send a strong message about being title contender this season despite the little drama we had with Aston Villa. Everton has been impressive so far this season but I don't see them getting past Liverpool on merseyside derby. I'm pretty sure that Everton will be lucky to get a draw from that fixture.

Some of Liverpool 's finest have been solid at international duties, hopefully no one returns with an injury.

Everton can't go past this Liverpool side they are building something but they need time

I agree Everton need time to make their team solid and can stay in the top 4. After all, in terms of quality, Everton's players are still far
below Liverpool, so it's too early if anyone says Everton can pass Liverpool. I'm looking forward to the Everton vs Liverpool match next week.
If Everton can get a draw it is already a very good result for Everton. So according to my prediction the result will end in a draw for Everton vs
Liverpool next week.

Everton cannot make top4 dont judge them with 4 games yet when pressure hits the real Everton would showcase

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