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Topic: Prevention is better than a cure. Please escrow. - page 13. (Read 298338 times)

newbie
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We should keep this pinned to the top.

Though i'm especially careful to use escrow NOW, I will admit to falling idiot victim by FE an order (not using escrow) and losing my money (like an IDIOT).  Even still, it's been difficult to find names of escrow services (on clearnet, not DNMs) but more importantly names of escrow services that themselves aren't scammers and which I can feel comfortable having control of my money for the duration of the transaction because people I trust (or hope I can) can vouch for the good ones.

Had I not stumbled across this post because it was at the top, much like I stumble across life, i'd have never found the reliable escrow list you guys have here (I should have known there was one, but have I mentioned i'm an idiot yet? Smiley.

I don't mean to be rude to these people i'm referring to because I too am an idiot but there are many many idiot's who've somehow managed to figure out all by themselves how to turn currency into BTC (or whatever method they've used to 'acquire' BTC). 

If we don't guide them/me by making some of the first thing's they see when they click on a forum are post's linking them on how to be safe, use escrow (and which ones are safe) and depending on the person's needs other thing's like good OPSEC or fuck even just good web etiquette because it seems a lot of us are lacking in that department too, then the community will suffer from all the drama and wasted time that arises when you let scammer's get you (and then have anger to vent, typically on forums).

It's stupid but keep these simple post's with link's to good escrow or anything you consider fundamentally important up and on many of the sub-forums (I think $ when buying thing's is fundamentally important, no matter what form it's in Smiley ).  It might help prevent noob mistakes from the start and maybe (here's to dreaming) reduce the number of scammer's lurking.  Can't do anything about trolls (but ignore them) but you can help noobs before they whine and feed the scammers.
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
I absolutely agree with you that what ever trading we do its very good to go with Escrow service. But before going through escrow service we have to double check about escrow persons also. but if we use escrow we can avoid the scamers from scamming us.
full member
Activity: 132
Merit: 100
From beginning my business had been accepting escrow. Anybody want to buy some cigarettes from me?
Im wating for order from this forum market, and still none. Haha...
Im selling my Cigarettes on reddit too, and I got direct payment without escrow in few days. And I still newbies too, under 10 point karma. But, I deliver their order without any problem.
Being vendor that accepting escrow, sometimes make me sick. I should had more money to run my business. Waiting for their order delivered. And I got the money few weeks after. Shipping takes 4 to 30 days (even fastest shipping takes 7 days minimum). If the goods late to delivered, buyers complain and takes their money back from escrow. If buyers pretend disappointed for the product "this ciggs taste like shit, I want my money back", and they withdraw their money from escrow.
I should spare my money. Covering shipping cost, that cost half of my family budget for a month.
Imagine, you order cigarettes to me. 10 Packs cigarettes and shipping cost are $62 USD. Shipping cost itself $35 USD, that was my half month family budget. Its only covering One order. Should I sell my cigarettes 40% higher than reddit? For compensation long waiting time from escrow? How if bitcoin price falling when I receive my money in my wallet? Ha... bad day haha... waiting for nothing
Couple next day, you receive more order, with escrow too. You spent $35 USD again to covering 2nd shipping cost. And then my wife mad to me, "darling, we had no more money to buy some food, how long our goods shipped to our customer and get our money back?"
Living in 3rd world country sometimes make me mad. But, sometimes Im so happy living here. I can living my family with $100 USD for a month.
Thats why, we should build a healthy community. A healthy atmosphere. Trust between member.  Being truthfully member in bitcointalks really hard and long journey. I just try to enjoy the trip, and making business with bitcointalks member. I put all my life and reputation for doing online business. Provide real evidence, posting real photo, and updating customer progress.
Doing business for living my family, in a good and straight way. Long term business and relationship.
So, for some reason, I will accept paypal for my main gateway, bitcoin for 2nd option.
In paypal, you had 60 days money back guarantee. I provide Refund if you are not satisfied with our product. My paypal backed up with CC, so our customer will feel safe. How about bitcoin? Hmm... as vendor, we pushed to trust the escrow.
What I see in bitcointalks? nobody trust nobody. Even escrow service haha...
But, its from my opinion, who sell real goods, tangible.
- How to protect seller from scammers?
- How to make sure escrow service not scamming?
- How to avoid dick head buyers?
No trus, no sales, no business...

Thank you... I hope we can trust each other, and build good, trustworthy situation
sr. member
Activity: 243
Merit: 250
How can I provide escrow services to users here so that I can start gaining some trust? I want to break out of this noob reputation...not to mention I'd like to put my honest morality to some good use.  I have proof of honest sales made on eBay and reddit, but not much besides that :/

People generally only accept escrow services from trusted, well-established members of the community. Nobody would accept an escrow service from a newbie account because of the high amount of risk involved - the escrow might run away with the funds.

If you want to build your reputation here, you should be active and write constructive posts, and you should trade slowly as your rank increases. Eventually, you will have made enough honest sales that you will have built a strong trust profile and will have a good reputation, but this will take time and effort.

what happens if the Well established and trusted escrow member also cheat , as that transaction is heavy then who is responsible for that loss of transaction . we cannot believe anyone until unless you know anyone ,
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
can anyone please tell me how to use escrow service for anything, i am new to this site and i have not used escrow service any time.

please guide me how to use and what steps to be taken to verify the escrow person also. Smiley
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
Stickied. I've seen enough scams happening without the use of escrow. Also, escrows increase the amount of trust a seller/buyer conveys, and thus increase the possibility of sales for newer members.


I agree! Nowadays a lot of money to make gullible people!
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
This quote is valued for many situations in our daily lile!escrow is a third person in a money problem  situations with two people h.is present is needed when there is any problems occured! in this situation this quote is very truthful!!...
full member
Activity: 164
Merit: 100
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please escrow
yap, you're right, my Bro
to preventing n make greats transaction
newbie
Activity: 3
Merit: 0
I've heard it's always a good idea to get an escrow if you're working with people offshore, but I think it's a good idea whenever you're working with someone new. After all, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 509
I prefer Zakir over Muhammed when mentioning me!
How do I become an escrow myself? I never really done it before and I want to be like those on the list. Do I just keep trading with btc and earn trust? Is it that easy? How did you guys get so trusted

Be honest and eventually, you can be an escrow. FWIW, I don't recommend you to become an escrow. It is a painful work.
hero member
Activity: 697
Merit: 503
How do I become an escrow myself? I never really done it before and I want to be like those on the list. Do I just keep trading with btc and earn trust? Is it that easy? How did you guys get so trusted
copper member
Activity: 2310
Merit: 1032
How can I provide escrow services to users here so that I can start gaining some trust? I want to break out of this noob reputation...not to mention I'd like to put my honest morality to some good use.  I have proof of honest sales made on eBay and reddit, but not much besides that :/

Why would you want to be an escrow? It's a pain in the ass and hardly worth it if you're trying to earn BTC.

Agreed, I personally did not set out to gain trust, But it was hard to get noticed without escrow, But now I have trust I do not charge for my escrows, I believe it's the DUTY of a trusted member to help people trade, not a charged service!
legendary
Activity: 3570
Merit: 1959
It definitely is hard to build trust. And for good reason. My company, Gray and Sons, has already completed one transaction through the forum, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/what-do-you-think-buying-rolex-by-bitcoin-1036436 , and another person made a fake account called qraysrolex and tried to scam money from a potential customer. Everyone be careful and trade with caution. We are doing as much as we can to show our authenticity. We have a real store with 20 real employees, and a real showroom in Miami Beach Florida. We're just starting to accept Bitcoin and it hasn't been easy so far.

I agree. I have watched your posts since you started and it was painful at first watching you get lambasted with scam accusations.

As you know, it's because you are selling luxury goods, so yes, you need to build trust, in fact, you really need someone from the Default Trust group to vouch for you so you have a bright green trust rating. Wink

Anyhow, keep on keeping on , watch the scams and don't get discouraged. Hell, I live in a place where 99% of the people never heard of bitcoin, you are lucky actually - play it wisely and well. Smiley

Cheers and love the watches , even as a poor guy! Smiley
member
Activity: 69
Merit: 10
It definitely is hard to build trust. And for good reason. My company, Gray and Sons, has already completed one transaction through the forum, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/what-do-you-think-buying-rolex-by-bitcoin-1036436 , and another person made a fake account called qraysrolex and tried to scam money from a potential customer. Everyone be careful and trade with caution. We are doing as much as we can to show our authenticity. We have a real store with 20 real employees, and a real showroom in Miami Beach Florida. We're just starting to accept Bitcoin and it hasn't been easy so far.
newbie
Activity: 4
Merit: 0
Well said dear friend. Thank you for the information, as a newbie, I'll keep that in mind since I'm probably going to be heavily involved in trading.
sr. member
Activity: 320
Merit: 261
Web developper
Are escrow provider win a lot or no ??
legendary
Activity: 1554
Merit: 1222
brb keeping up with the Kardashians
How can I provide escrow services to users here so that I can start gaining some trust? I want to break out of this noob reputation...not to mention I'd like to put my honest morality to some good use.  I have proof of honest sales made on eBay and reddit, but not much besides that :/

Why would you want to be an escrow? It's a pain in the ass and hardly worth it if you're trying to earn BTC.
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 500
How can I provide escrow services to users here so that I can start gaining some trust? I want to break out of this noob reputation...not to mention I'd like to put my honest morality to some good use.  I have proof of honest sales made on eBay and reddit, but not much besides that :/

People generally only accept escrow services from trusted, well-established members of the community. Nobody would accept an escrow service from a newbie account because of the high amount of risk involved - the escrow might run away with the funds.

If you want to build your reputation here, you should be active and write constructive posts, and you should trade slowly as your rank increases. Eventually, you will have made enough honest sales that you will have built a strong trust profile and will have a good reputation, but this will take time and effort.

Thanks for the response.  Where do you recommend I start gaining reputation?  I'd prefer to start off with small amounts, not only because I don't know who to trust, but for reasons you've brought up about my current standing.  Thanks again, highly appreciated!
sr. member
Activity: 301
Merit: 250
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How can I provide escrow services to users here so that I can start gaining some trust? I want to break out of this noob reputation...not to mention I'd like to put my honest morality to some good use.  I have proof of honest sales made on eBay and reddit, but not much besides that :/

People generally only accept escrow services from trusted, well-established members of the community. Nobody would accept an escrow service from a newbie account because of the high amount of risk involved - the escrow might run away with the funds.

If you want to build your reputation here, you should be active and write constructive posts, and you should trade slowly as your rank increases. Eventually, you will have made enough honest sales that you will have built a strong trust profile and will have a good reputation, but this will take time and effort.
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 500
How can I provide escrow services to users here so that I can start gaining some trust? I want to break out of this noob reputation...not to mention I'd like to put my honest morality to some good use.  I have proof of honest sales made on eBay and reddit, but not much besides that :/
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