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So how did this lucky SOB get the unhashed server seed?  Shocked Did somebody at Stunna's HQ 'leaked' the seed to this guy? Very likely, yes?  Undecided


I doubt that Stunna allows anyone on his HQ to have information regarding the seed, as they could take advantage themselves.
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So how did this lucky SOB get the unhashed server seed?  Shocked Did somebody at Stunna's HQ 'leaked' the seed to this guy? Very likely, yes?  Undecided

Stunna will share the details later this week, and we will soon know how it happened and what went wrong.


It's a pretty complex situation, we put in a basic fix which was defeated and now we're taking stronger measures to ensure this doesn't happen again.

Part of fixing the issue is forcing all accounts to set a new seed pair, in an hour expect to be prompted to set a new pair.

I'll be providing full information later this week after we've done some extensive testing. I am comfortable saying that there was no breach of server or database and all account balances are 100% safe, no accounts should be effected by this issue it only effects us.
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PD uses 26 lowercase letters and 10 numbers in their seed, so 36 different characters with a length of 64 characters. So 36^64 =
4011991914547630480065053387702443812690402487741812225955731622655455723258857 248542161222254985216 different seeds.
The bitcoin network calculates double SHA256 hashes with a speed of 297,275,048.09 GH/s.
[...]
Ps, I am not that good in math, if there is a problem please correct me, but the idea is clear I think.

One problem I see is that there are many more client seeds than sha256 outputs. So "just" reversing the hash isn't enough. On average you'll find 3.5e22 different server seeds which hash to any given server seed hash, but you'll need to figure out which one is the right one. Not that it matters.

Your point stands that reversing a single PD server seed is much harder than reversing any single Bitcoin private key. So instead of typing to steal a few thousand coins from PD, why not steal tens or hundreds of thousands from a rich Bitcoin address?

No, I'm saying that it is safer to change the seed everytime. That's it.
But I do not expect you to understand this. So, do not worry.

The risk of somebody being able to brute force an sha256 hash is pretty much zero.

The risk of a dice site cheating players is significantly higher. It has happened at least twice this year already (on another site).

So if your goal is to "protect players and investors" you should go with the provably fair system that pretty much every established dice site uses (SatoshiDice is the only exception I can think of).

So how did this lucky SOB get the unhashed server seed?  Shocked Did somebody at Stunna's HQ 'leaked' the seed to this guy? Very likely, yes?  Undecided
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The first time I deposited, it took two emails and several days to get a response. Then it took a couple more days to get it deposited. I gambled a little and left the remainder on site. Login the next day aaaaand it's gone.

Good Luck.

Really? I was feeling good about these guys too. While I understand that there was a delay (as they have a lot of customers), did you ever email them or receive a response as to why your coins are gone?
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The first time I deposited, it took two emails and several days to get a response. Then it took a couple more days to get it deposited. I gambled a little and left the remainder on site. Login the next day aaaaand it's gone.

Good Luck.
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PD uses 26 lowercase letters and 10 numbers in their seed, so 36 different characters with a length of 64 characters. So 36^64 =
4011991914547630480065053387702443812690402487741812225955731622655455723258857 248542161222254985216 different seeds.
The bitcoin network calculates double SHA256 hashes with a speed of 297,275,048.09 GH/s.
[...]
Ps, I am not that good in math, if there is a problem please correct me, but the idea is clear I think.

One problem I see is that there are many more client seeds than sha256 outputs. So "just" reversing the hash isn't enough. On average you'll find 3.5e22 different server seeds which hash to any given server seed hash, but you'll need to figure out which one is the right one. Not that it matters.

Your point stands that reversing a single PD server seed is much harder than reversing any single Bitcoin private key. So instead of typing to steal a few thousand coins from PD, why not steal tens or hundreds of thousands from a rich Bitcoin address?

No, I'm saying that it is safer to change the seed everytime. That's it.
But I do not expect you to understand this. So, do not worry.

The risk of somebody being able to brute force an sha256 hash is pretty much zero.

The risk of a dice site cheating players is significantly higher. It has happened at least twice this year already (on another site).

So if your goal is to "protect players and investors" you should go with the provably fair system that pretty much every established dice site uses (SatoshiDice is the only exception I can think of).
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Exactly 12000 comments on this thread. Lets ruin it and make it 12001 Cheesy
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since its been 24 hours since these deposits and 2 emails have been sent to support with no response maybe here i will have some luck can admin of site please credit these two deposits

Date: Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:04 PM
Subject: deposits not showing up
To: PrimeDice <[email protected]>


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How true is the post above me?

Was that resolved already?

Stunna already replied a couple pages before. On PD side it is marked as resolved. I dont know why he is still posting this, he got more btc than he lost or would have won...

Everything is 100% true, I have a log of email detailing everything. It was not resolved, despite opinions like the one above. This post explains exactly what happened. Do you think that reply from the 'developer' counts as resovled? I have been provided NO PROOF whatsoever.


This should get you guys worried if this wasnt resolved and it wanst an exploit today, the guy has gotten the seed by figuring out the pattern, is not the first man to do this with RNG,  Even if he did figured it out, he still won fair and square,  All stunna had to do was keep changing seeds.
No, it has been resolved. See Stunna's quote. You're just a sad sad human being who is spewing bullshit to try and get an extra buck out of it. And the amount of time you spend on it is truly pathetic.

I am seriously surprised at how blindly this community follows Stunnas word. If you had looked at the matter from start to finish you would see it has not been correctly resolved at all. That is why I will continue to dispute the matter, anyone with brains will see my point.

Were given the btc you disputing?

No, they will not provide me the proof. They gave me .2 btc as a gesture, there is much more in dispute though. As for above, you are the pathetic one, sitting here commenting on things that dont even involve your poor ass

I can also see there are alot of loyal puppets here, who dont care about the truth as well.


Exactly mate, it is clear there are some zombies who jeer for stunna and PD instead of justice and truth
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How true is the post above me?

Was that resolved already?

Stunna already replied a couple pages before. On PD side it is marked as resolved. I dont know why he is still posting this, he got more btc than he lost or would have won...

Everything is 100% true, I have a log of email detailing everything. It was not resolved, despite opinions like the one above. This post explains exactly what happened. Do you think that reply from the 'developer' counts as resovled? I have been provided NO PROOF whatsoever.


This should get you guys worried if this wasnt resolved and it wanst an exploit today, the guy has gotten the seed by figuring out the pattern, is not the first man to do this with RNG,  Even if he did figured it out, he still won fair and square,  All stunna had to do was keep changing seeds.
No, it has been resolved. See Stunna's quote. You're just a sad sad human being who is spewing bullshit to try and get an extra buck out of it. And the amount of time you spend on it is truly pathetic.

I am seriously surprised at how blindly this community follows Stunnas word. If you had looked at the matter from start to finish you would see it has not been correctly resolved at all. That is why I will continue to dispute the matter, anyone with brains will see my point.

Were given the btc you disputing?

No, they will not provide me the proof. They gave me .2 btc as a gesture, there is much more in dispute though. As for above, you are the pathetic one, sitting here commenting on things that dont even involve your poor ass

I can also see there are alot of loyal puppets here, who dont care about the truth as well.
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How true is the post above me?

Was that resolved already?

Stunna already replied a couple pages before. On PD side it is marked as resolved. I dont know why he is still posting this, he got more btc than he lost or would have won...

doesnt matter he wants to know the IDs and he has the right to it you dumb ass
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If it doesn't involve us then there's no need to post all of this publicly.
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How true is the post above me?

Was that resolved already?

Stunna already replied a couple pages before. On PD side it is marked as resolved. I dont know why he is still posting this, he got more btc than he lost or would have won...

Everything is 100% true, I have a log of email detailing everything. It was not resolved, despite opinions like the one above. This post explains exactly what happened. Do you think that reply from the 'developer' counts as resovled? I have been provided NO PROOF whatsoever.



No, it has been resolved. See Stunna's quote. You're just a sad sad human being who is spewing bullshit to try and get an extra buck out of it. And the amount of time you spend on it is truly pathetic.

I am seriously surprised at how blindly this community follows Stunnas word. If you had looked at the matter from start to finish you would see it has not been correctly resolved at all. That is why I will continue to dispute the matter, anyone with brains will see my point.

Were given the btc you disputing?

No, they will not provide me the proof. They gave me .2 btc as a gesture, there is much more in dispute though. As for above, you are the pathetic one, sitting here commenting on things that dont even involve your poor ass
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I am seriously surprised at how blindly this community follows Stunnas word. If you had looked at the matter from start to finish you would see it has not been correctly resolved at all. That is why I will continue to dispute the matter, anyone with brains will see my point.

Spamming the same thing over and over again in the thread doesn't help your case in any way, it just annoys the fuck out of the rest of us who have to waste our time wading through your stubborn bullshit.  It's not like Stunna is maliciously ignoring you; he gave a reply that he feels is conclusive to the issue.  Whether you feel the same way or not is irrelevant now since the case (on PD's side) is officially closed.  It's also ironic that you're telling us we're blindly following him while the reply he gave to you is exactly the type of thing that garners trust out of people like me.

So please quit barraging this topic with your posts?  It's stubborn and irritating.
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How true is the post above me?

Was that resolved already?

Stunna already replied a couple pages before. On PD side it is marked as resolved. I dont know why he is still posting this, he got more btc than he lost or would have won...

Everything is 100% true, I have a log of email detailing everything. It was not resolved, despite opinions like the one above. This post explains exactly what happened. Do you think that reply from the 'developer' counts as resovled? I have been provided NO PROOF whatsoever.



No, it has been resolved. See Stunna's quote. You're just a sad sad human being who is spewing bullshit to try and get an extra buck out of it. And the amount of time you spend on it is truly pathetic.

I am seriously surprised at how blindly this community follows Stunnas word. If you had looked at the matter from start to finish you would see it has not been correctly resolved at all. That is why I will continue to dispute the matter, anyone with brains will see my point.
Look at Stunna trust then look at your own trust. See the difference now? Stunna have proven to be a man of his word and have paid out so much BTC. I'm sure he won't mind paying the correct sum of money to you. So how would you want them to prove it? Get them to give you the bet ID? Fine, if given, how could you check it? There isn't a way to check it since bet before PD3 are accessible to public.
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Quote
Stunna: that's called playing with an unhashed seed lol
Stunna: anyone who thinks the site is rigged or what not just doesn't understand fairness, he abused an exploit
Stunna: Muzzis, this has nothing to do with fairness, if you want to fling accusations go ahead. We'll post a statement about what happened

Wondering: did that Huffle guy or anyone else used the same exploit? Did "Robbinhood" cashed out anything?

GL fixing it.

I was wondering the same, Hufflepuff's bets were clever if he knew his seeds, on every session he made a big rundown, then went up a little higher than he was before. If i ahd known my seed i would have played the same method. He was smart enough to get away with it Smiley But of course it can be that he was just lucky, there is also a little chance for that, a very little... Cheesy
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How true is the post above me?

Was that resolved already?

Stunna already replied a couple pages before. On PD side it is marked as resolved. I dont know why he is still posting this, he got more btc than he lost or would have won...

Everything is 100% true, I have a log of email detailing everything. It was not resolved, despite opinions like the one above. This post explains exactly what happened. Do you think that reply from the 'developer' counts as resovled? I have been provided NO PROOF whatsoever.



No, it has been resolved. See Stunna's quote. You're just a sad sad human being who is spewing bullshit to try and get an extra buck out of it. And the amount of time you spend on it is truly pathetic.

I am seriously surprised at how blindly this community follows Stunnas word. If you had looked at the matter from start to finish you would see it has not been correctly resolved at all. That is why I will continue to dispute the matter, anyone with brains will see my point.

Were given the btc you disputing?
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How true is the post above me?

Was that resolved already?

Stunna already replied a couple pages before. On PD side it is marked as resolved. I dont know why he is still posting this, he got more btc than he lost or would have won...

Everything is 100% true, I have a log of email detailing everything. It was not resolved, despite opinions like the one above. This post explains exactly what happened. Do you think that reply from the 'developer' counts as resovled? I have been provided NO PROOF whatsoever.



No, it has been resolved. See Stunna's quote. You're just a sad sad human being who is spewing bullshit to try and get an extra buck out of it. And the amount of time you spend on it is truly pathetic.

I am seriously surprised at how blindly this community follows Stunnas word. If you had looked at the matter from start to finish you would see it has not been correctly resolved at all. That is why I will continue to dispute the matter, anyone with brains will see my point.
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How true is the post above me?

Was that resolved already?

Stunna already replied a couple pages before. On PD side it is marked as resolved. I dont know why he is still posting this, he got more btc than he lost or would have won...

Everything is 100% true, I have a log of email detailing everything. It was not resolved, despite opinions like the one above. This post explains exactly what happened. Do you think that reply from the 'developer' counts as resovled? I have been provided NO PROOF whatsoever.



Let me quote Stunna:
We overpaid you a LOT already. We paid out .14 despite you winning the bet after that one and making back everything you lost. We didn't take that into account though. Then on TOP of that we rounded it up to .2

I'm also pretty sure we sent you all the relevant bet ID's. They don't mean anything though as we no longer publicly display our old database. You have to take our word for it. One thing I can tell you we are not interested in doing is unfairly taking BTC off our customers. You're being very unfair to me and the PD team. I understand we took a while to sort this out as it is a very difficult situation and it's all to do with a redundant part of the website.

So it is marked as resolved... It is not my opinion i just copied what he said...

NO, it is NOT resolved. Look at this reply:

I'm also pretty sure we sent you all the relevant bet ID's. They don't mean anything though as we no longer publicly display our old database. You have to take our word for it. One thing I can tell you we are not interested in doing is unfairly taking BTC off our customers. You're being very unfair to me and the PD team. I understand we took a while to sort this out as it is a very difficult situation and it's all to do with a redundant part of the website.

Furthermore, I DID NOT RECIEVE ANY RELEVANT BET ID's, I can prove this with the emails they sent -it is in the friggin post wtf? AGAIN, this is the RESPONSE I got:

Dev:

streaked losses after effected bet = 1:


Lain33: LOSS @ 0.0200000000000000000

Lain33: LOSS @ 0.0400000000000000000

= 0.12 Session 1 total effected profit


Lain33: LOSS  @ 0.01000000000000000000

Lain33: WIN    @ 0.02000000000000000000


Session 2:


0.02 total effected losses session 2. Streaked losses after effected bet = 0

Total due: .14

We've added a bonus due to delay


Adjusted total: 0.2


--------end

THAT WAS IT -exactly copied from the email and I have had nothing else. This shitty reply above does not constitute a legit reply to such a serious matter. Then Stunna has the nerve to play me down as if he had sent me proof and I am being unreasonable which I am not.


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How true is the post above me?

Was that resolved already?

Stunna already replied a couple pages before. On PD side it is marked as resolved. I dont know why he is still posting this, he got more btc than he lost or would have won...

Everything is 100% true, I have a log of email detailing everything. It was not resolved, despite opinions like the one above. This post explains exactly what happened. Do you think that reply from the 'developer' counts as resovled? I have been provided NO PROOF whatsoever.



No, it has been resolved. See Stunna's quote. You're just a sad sad human being who is spewing bullshit to try and get an extra buck out of it. And the amount of time you spend on it is truly pathetic.
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